The Republicans Might be in for a Shock

[The Big Al]

Watching the post election reaction by Republicans, I'm left puzzled. I really shouldn't be because it was their same reaction two years ago. They've taken the lesson out of this election that they need to be more conservative.

Why? The conservative label has been beaten badly in two election in a row now. The "most liberal" senator was elected president convincingly, picking up states that haven't voted for the Democrats since Johnson. The twelve years of Republican control have now been replaced with a greater Democratic majority than was defeated by the Newt's contract on America. The Majority of governors and state legislatures are also held by Democrats.

The answer came to me watching Good Night and Good Luck in Mass Media class. They used Joe McCarthy's actual response to Murrow's story about him. It amounted to "I was sent by God to do this and you must be evil to not agree with me".

It seems modern Republicans retain that mindset. They have bought their own line that they are the party for real Americans and those who oppose them aren't real Americans. This really came out during this election as McCarthy's reincarnation claimed anti-Americanism had crept into congress, we were told only certain areas are real America, a part of a battleground state was "Commie Country", and other gems of divisive speech out of the Republican party.

Unfortunately, for Republicans, they're wrong. They are outnumbered by more than two to one by non-Republicans. The Democrats have anywhere from a few to several percentage points on them. And their answer is to further marginalize themselves.

And the Democrats will gladly take it. As the Republicans have narrowed their base, the Democrats have swooped in picked up what's left behind. Now, people anywhere from moderate conservative to liberal call themselves Democrats.

If the Republicans as we know them are a dying race. McCain lost men and women, was destroyed in the minorities, did relatively poorly among whites, and lost all age groups except the 65 and over bracket (which he barely won). This is a recipe for disaster. The Republicans are going have to evolve or die in 21st century America.

 

[Nomura]

Well, I really cannot disagree with you on the whole evolution or dying thing. Democrats have been around far longer than republicans, and it took the republicans 3 tries before they could come up with a party that could match up to the democrats. It looks like that party isn't even a match anymore, so it likes like they're going to have to revamp themselves again.

First it was the whigs and the natives, the the republicans, what's gonna be next?

 

[Eredar Warlock]

I remember this same language said about the Democrats in 2004. If the Democrats muck everything up now that they have a majority, you'll be seeing a shift in the other direction.

 

[The Big Al]

And my point is proven. Enjoy your broken party.

 

[Zeta]

The Republicans are going to have to stop persecuting minorities if they want power from now on. The problem with them is that in 10-20 year's time, rich heterosexual Christian white males who hate anyone who are not like them are going to make up less and less of the population. Appealing to them alone and heaping hate on everyone else is going to be the downfall of the party if they don't dump the "social conservative that hates everyone" label and return to the "staying out of people's bedrooms, and government and financially conservative" identity they had once upon a time. Hating on gay people, hispanics, and muslims alone will not help them win in 2012 or 2016, unless a gay hispanic muslim blows up the white house or something.

 

[Eredar Warlock]

And my point is proven. Enjoy your broken party.

I'm not affiliated with any party. Ultimately, I think they're ALL liars in the end.

 

[American]

Watching the post election reaction by Republicans, I'm left puzzled. I really shouldn't be because it was their same reaction two years ago. They've taken the lesson out of this election that they need to be more conservative.

Why? The conservative label has been beaten badly in two election in a row now. The "most liberal" senator was elected president convincingly, picking up states that haven't voted for the Democrats since Johnson. The twelve years of Republican control have now been replaced with a greater Democratic majority than was defeated by the Newt's contract on America. The Majority of governors and state legislatures are also held by Democrats.

I think you've over analyzed the situation. I don't see the 2008 Election cycle as a referendum on Conservatism as much as it was a referendum on the Republican brand, in the eyes of Americans. It SHOULD have been a referendum of Conservatism, given that a large majority of our financial difficulties are the result of deregulation of the financial industry.

It's humorous when you think about it, Conservatives were behind Bush in 2000 and 2004 because he was aligned with their social and foreign policies. He's their messiah when it comes to restricting stem cell research, abortion and other progressive issues. He's their messiah when it comes to preemptive war and "fightin' 'Osama", even when said war has nothing to do with terrorism or Osama Bin Laden.

They were also willing to look the other way for eight years while spending got out of control, as long as the conversation stayed on the "culture wars" and Bush's War on Terrorism. But when we ran out of money, racked up monstrous debt and saw most of our institutions collapse? "I don't know THAT President Bush, he's not a REAL conservative".

If the Republicans as we know them are a dying race. McCain lost men and women, was destroyed in the minorities, did relatively poorly among whites, and lost all age groups except the 65 and over bracket (which he barely won). This is a recipe for disaster. The Republicans are going have to evolve or die in 21st century America.

Republicans are always going to have their place in American society. They provide a voice for those who still hypnotized by religion and want to combat the "gays, queers and homosexuals" that are trying to corrupt our children's minds and indoctrinate them into new legion of gayness.

As long as there is religion in America, I believe there will be the Republican Party. It allows those still living in the 1960s to have their outlet to rage about abortion and other social issues.

I believe what Republicanism and as an extension Conservatism needs to do to survive is keep it's core values, but drop anything that pertains to religion or social issues. This is because if Democrats continue to court the young vote, Republicans will certainly die out.

Young people are willing to get jazzed up about responsible fiscal spending, strong national defense and entrepreneurship (very traditional conservative ideas). But teens tend to have liberal mindsets about religion and abortion: they're more free thinkers and open-minded.

 

[Ben Cousins]

ROFL, Obama won the election because he's young, hip and black. ;-)

IIRC he's against abortion as well (well, according to my local paper about a month ago in the election liftout).

SlashLeaf, of course young people are for abortion, its people like them who cant keep their legs shut in the first place. ;-)

 

[Misty]

Obama supports keeping abortion legal.

 

[Nekusagi]

As long as there is religion in America, I believe there will be the Republican Party.

You do realize not all religious people identify with the Republican party, right? That's quite a broad brush to be painting with...

 

[Nomura]

Obama supports keeping abortion legal.

He supports the idea of Roe vs. Wade, but that does not mean he supports Abortion. It's very easy to support free choice, but not be in agreement with the choice made.

 

[Jo-Jo]

^ What's your point? If Obama supports legal abortion, that makes him basically pro-choice no matter what his personal feelings are about the morality of a termination. Bush, McCain, Palin etc. want to ban abortion outright. Palin even wants to ban it for rape and incest victims.

SlashLeaf, of course young people are for abortion, its people like them who cant keep their legs shut in the first place.

Charming.

 

[Zeta]

SlashLeaf, of course young people are for abortion, its people like them who cant keep their legs shut in the first place.

Oh please, it's not like the old people don't want to do that too, they're just too wrinkly to find anyone else to do it with.

 

[Nomura]

^ What's your point? If Obama supports legal abortion, that makes him basically pro-choice no matter what his personal feelings are about the morality of a termination. Bush, McCain, Palin etc. want to ban abortion outright. Palin even wants to ban it for rape and incest victims.

The point is to keep his personal feelings and his choice seperate. I support gay people and their argument of equal rights, but that does not mean I'm all willy nilly for gay marriage, I just know it is their right, and I wish their's to be granted just as I would want mine if I was them. Basically, its the principle of the idea.(hope all that makes sense)

@ Zeta- lmao!

 

[Ben Cousins]

Charming.

Sorry but its the truth, the sooner some of the younger generation start using contraceptives properly (and no using abortion as the last resort) the better.

If it isn't for yank television shows making out as if casual sex is acceptable this shit wouldn't happen.

 

[Mozz]

Sorry but its the truth, the sooner some of the younger generation start using contraceptives properly (and no using abortion as the last resort) the better.

If it isn't for yank television shows making out as if casual sex is acceptable this shit wouldn't happen.

Abortions are fine, relax.

 

[Fig]

Sorry but its the truth, the sooner some of the younger generation start using contraceptives properly (and no using abortion as the last resort) the better.

If it isn't for yank television shows making out as if casual sex is acceptable this shit wouldn't happen.

Seriously, just quit while you're ahead not too far behind just wasting your time. The world has moved on, sex has become a lot more liberalized than you'd like it to be. That was back in the sixties, things have settled back (a bit) now.

Also, given simple biologic factors (ie, girls 20 to 30 are more likely to get pregnant than most any other girl because that's the age they're supposed to be fertile at), we have the COMPLETELY surprising new that, *gasp* the median age for girl getting an abortion is, in most significant countries the world over, is about...

...25. (in the US, for example, in 2000, about 51% of abortion were on women 24 and younger, 49% on women 25 and older. In the state of North Carolina the average is 25.2. In New Zeland 52% of abortions are on women 25 and up)

Mostly what you'd expect, in other terms.

 

[Jo-Jo]

Over 50% of abortions are performed on women who were using contraceptives anyway.

I lol every time someone acts as though there is any person on the planet who would consider having an embryo sucked out of your vagina with a giant hose a more convenient form of birth control than putting on a fucking condom.

 

[Nomura]

Abortions are fine, relax.

Though I am for freedom of choice, and that goes for those who have abortions as well, I still feel that if you are old enough to fuck, then you are old enough to deal with the consequences. I mean, people who contract STD's don't have the easy way out, so why should anyone else?

Anyway, as long as we can keep a balance, and Roe V Wade remains the law of abortion, then freedom of choice is fine with me.

 

[Mozz]

Though I am for freedom of choice, and that goes for those who have abortions as well, I still feel that if you are old enough to fuck, then you are old enough to deal with the consequences. I mean, people who contract STD's don't have the easy way out, so why should anyone else?

Anyway, as long as we can keep a balance, and Roe V Wade remains the law of abortion, then freedom of choice is fine with me.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess virgin?