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Why is it you see all these groups against animal cruelty, but you never see a group against human cruelty?

It's very simple to form, but no one has done it yet.

Sure, there are groups against specific FORMS of human cruelty: guns, domestic violence, child abuse, etc. But never a group against just plain human cruelty.

It's prevalent all over the world, and yet no one has decided to stop it.

I say before we save the animals, we should learn to save ourselves and each other.

What do you think?
 
I personally care more for animals than humans so I'd priorate saving them over humans first anytime.
In fact human cruelty should be acceptable if it's towards animal abusers.

Nah, the last remark is of course not serious, but I do stand by my contempt towards animal abusers.

Also I follow the philosophy that anyone who can treat an animal well can also treat a human well. I don't believe the same goes the other way around.
 
Chatsy said:
I personally care more for animals than humans so I'd priorate saving them over humans first anytime.
In fact human cruelty should be acceptable if it's towards animal abusers.

Nah, the last remark is of course not serious, but I do stand by my contempt towards animal abusers.

Also I follow the philosophy that anyone who can treat an animal well can also treat a human well. I don't believe the same goes the other way around.
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Me, too. Animals would never hurt anyone just because. Either maybe they're trying to hurt someone like their owner(we used to have that problem all the time at the hospital, the owner would have to step out, so the dog could relax)or something like protecting their territory.

Humans, it just disgusts me how some people kill, for no reason, like maybe they just don't like this one person, or group of people. Not just animals, but other people, too. I never really understood the point in killing people just because they get in their way, or something. Or for something like they caught you stealing.
 
well as much as i love animals i think humans should put themselves first
 
basselope7 said:
Why is it you see all these groups against animal cruelty, but you never see a group against human cruelty?

It's very simple to form, but no one has done it yet.
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Actually...there are quite a few organizations. And, yes, some are specialized, but it's easier to accomplish things when you focus on one area, rather than being spread around trying to do everything at once. With humans, the number of horrors we do to each other requires specialized groups. Animals, on the other hand, are either beaten by idiots or killed by idiots or butchers. No real need to specialize there.
 
I love animals, although being i have been treated in real life by my real life enemies like crap I still like humans.

I hate people who hurt animals though.
 
Chatsy said:
I personally care more for animals than humans so I'd priorate saving them over humans first anytime.
In fact human cruelty should be acceptable if it's towards animal abusers.

Nah, the last remark is of course not serious, but I do stand by my contempt towards animal abusers.

Also I follow the philosophy that anyone who can treat an animal well can also treat a human well. I don't believe the same goes the other way around.
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Mee too as even though its terrible for people getting hurt by others, it can't endanger humans like hurting animals can and the human creulty can be stopped most of the time, thats what the law is for.

But animals alot of the time can't fight back, if they did they would be killed becuase they "are attacking humans" but its a lot of the time humans coming in and hurting them or where they live that drives the animals to do this and innocent people can get hurt for a few others violence and this inturn hurts the animals.

If you care for animals, you'll care for humans cause it will mean your a caring person, well I knwo I am anyway.

Why is it you see all these groups against animal cruelty, but you never see a group against human cruelty?

It's very simple to form, but no one has done it yet.
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Well, there are so many different types of violence, drugs, sex, gun, hate crimes, religious, theft, pollution and so on. Most have to be treated differently as its not always a good idea to treat all of them the same as it could have different results for each type of crime and some with not so good outcomes and not everyone who can know how to handle some crime can handle all types so I assume that is one reason there are not lots of groups that deal with the overall problem, the police and law systems are the clostest things for these and even they don't get it right all the time.
 
I agree. I mean I like animals, but I like people more...
 
I think is this is the hidden message that Pokemon shows to children. There are people who harm animals for their own interests and profits.
 
JB88 said:
I think is this is the hidden message that Pokemon shows to children. There are people who harm animals for their own interests and profits.
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That sould be obvious to older Pokemon fans. But alas....
Well yes there are already lots of organizations that are in place to defend a person. The various world governments are supposed to be doing such things. And yet, we need to develop agencies such as the ACLU and Human Rights Watch to do the monitoring for us. =/
 
Oh please. Not only do we have human cruelty prevention organizations, the biggest being THE UN, but we have specialized ones, ie Battered woman shelters, centers for the poor and the ability to sue when our employer says something mean.
 
Me, too. Animals would never hurt anyone just because. Either maybe they're trying to hurt someone like their owner(we used to have that problem all the time at the hospital, the owner would have to step out, so the dog could relax)or something like protecting their territory.

Humans, it just disgusts me how some people kill, for no reason, like maybe they just don't like this one person, or group of people. Not just animals, but other people, too. I never really understood the point in killing people just because they get in their way, or something. Or for something like they caught you stealing.
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Oh brother.

Um, actually - there are several species of animals that kill for fun. Domestic dogs and cats, primates and species of cetaceans like orcas will do it just because they're bored, not for food or territory.

Secondly, don't go holding up humans as the spawn of Satan and every other lifeform on the planet as being shat out by rainbow-colored unicorn Jesus. ANIMALS DON'T HAVE MORALS. They cannot be morally superior to us. They have no conception of morality. Most don't randomly torture each other for fun because it's a waste of resources and animals can only conceive of base survival. Yes - animals aren't capable of evil. But they're not capable of good, either! There's no conception of either in them!

Animals won't go on murdering sprees, but they also never perform acts of charity, create works of art, develop technology, make love, sacrifice themselves for ideals and beliefs, or ponder the nature of the universe, either.

I get so goddamn sick of all these so-called animal lovers who go anthropomorphizing all of the world's cute widdle animals into paragons of saintly virtue, while da mean old humans am hurting everyone because they're bastards.
 
fun fact: the only three species on earth that kill for sport are dolphins, velociraptors, and humans (source: cracked, Michael Crichton, and my global history textbook). However, i would like to respectfully disagree with zeta. while the rest of the fauna in this world may not be as intelligent as us, they do have social orders, primates of course being the main example of this. in fact, many mammals have a social heirarchy and "rules" that are meant to be followed by the whole group.

Also, dogs and cats do not kill for fun. dogs kill when they are either feral, or have been improperly trained, and are trying to establish their territory. Cats kill out of natural instinct. Animals do, in fact, perform acts of charity. very often, a group as a whole will help out the elderly, the sickly, the pregnant, and the disabled. this category ranges from levithians to moose. i will agree with you on the fact that we do not know whether animals can discern whether or not an action is "right" or "wrong" by our definition. again, many species also kill their own, not because they're heartless killers, but because it was what they were taught to do, and what is beneficial to their survival.
 
I would say that the human race since its at the top of the food chain that they wouldnt take part in protection groups for us, they expect us to look after oursleves. Of course the ones who made these rules are in fact humans themselves.
 
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Originally Posted by Chatsy
I personally care more for animals than humans so I'd priorate saving them over humans first anytime.

ol, what are you serious
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I said similar about caring for animals more, but what I meant was I care for animals more than people who don't seem to have good morals and concience like people wo commit violenece or hurt animals etc...

Originally Posted by basselope7
I say before we save the animals, we should learn to save ourselves and each other.
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Animals species won't last if we try and save ourselves first. There are going to be humans around, won't always be the case for the animals if we don't try and save them. Humans are one species we can't collectivly say save us before animals as there are many species and while saving ourselves a few species of animals could die out. All life on earth is important, humans, plants and animals etc... we just have to figure how to live in harmoney with it all, but some people don't seem to understand this either because of their background, how they were brought up or other similar things.
 
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basselope7 said:
I say before we save the animals, we should learn to save ourselves and each other.
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The fact that we still need to learn this just shows that we humans aren't as great as we think we are compared to our fellow animals.

Seriously, why should we try to save ourselves when it's us that's the cause of the problem? We're never gonna learn. Otherwise we would have done years ago.
 
The fact that we still need to learn this just shows that we humans aren't as great as we think we are compared to our fellow animals.
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. . . the fact that humans think animals need saving more than them is why animals need saving more than humans?
 
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. . . the fact that humans think animals need saving more than them is why animals need saving more than humans?
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because there are billions of humans and we are one species more or less. There are more than one type of animal and not even a thrid in population of that animal even comes close to human sizes and the human race won't go extinct if someone gets shot or another gets beaten up, but with animals, that species of animal could and anyway, what was here first? Animals, we came second.
 
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