Theory: Is Ghetsis one of the brothers who owned the oringinal Kyurem? *spoilers* B/W

[WalterWattson]

Ok let me start things off by saying, yes I know it's dumb but it kind of concerns me. What if Ghetsis was one of the brothers who owned the complete legendary dragon?

So let me start out. In the original black and white, Ghetsis wanted N to take the power of the legendary Pokémon Zekrom/Reshiram. In black and white 2, he wanted to fuse either Zekrom/Reshiram with Kyurem to create the original dragon. So this is where I get started with the theory. What if Ghetsis was one of the original brothers who owned the legendries? I know what you're going to say "But that was a long time ago. Ghetsis can't be that old." Let me stop you.

The stone N uses to summon Reshiram/Zekrom was found in the relic castle. But how would Ghetsis know this? My answer is that he put it there himself. I think that he would have gone after the second one, but he didn't know exactly where it was. So when you get your dragon, Ghetsis wants you to go ahead and fight N. But why would he just allow you to fight N? Unless he knew that Zekrom/Reshiram would be summoned before you had the battle with N. Ghetsis thought that the two dragons fighting would cause the destruction of Unova. (and worst case the world but I'm not going THAT far) And when that didn't happen he got furious and decided to take you on his self. But was he Overestimating his Pokémon's strength? Or was he judging the dragon's strength? (This can't be used unless you actually USE the legendary.)

Now in Pokémon black and white 2, Ghetsis wants to fuse Kyurem and The dragon that N has. But how does he accomplish this? With the DNA splicers right? But who made them, who else would have known that Kyurem was the key to getting the original dragon back? Ghetsis knew, but how? Because he was there when the dragon split. Ghetsis would have had to created the DNA splicers to actually fuse the two dragons back into one. He created the DNA splicers so he could have the power of the original dragon again.


Now here is where you start saying "But there is no way he can be THAT old" Let me explain this.

So when Ghetsis and his brother (MAYBE an ancestor of N) fought over ideals and truth, the dragon split. When Arceus sensed this disturbance, he confronted the two brothers and turned Zekrom/Reshiram into stone, and sent Kyurem to Giant Chasm. Arceus had then punished one of the brothers (Ghetsis) to eternal life, but with a huge price. Arceus had horribly damaged Ghetsis' arm and right eye. (and possibly killed his brother as well) Ghetsis, torn by this, decided to hide the stones that contained Zekrom and Reshiram so that their powers could never be used again. After a few hundred years, Ghetsis began to go mad. Ghetsis wanted to find the stones containing the legendary Pokémon and Kyurem. But how would he fuse them back to the original Pokémon? So Ghetsis created the DNA splicers, but lost them somehow.

How would Ghetsis possibly get the splicers, the stones that contained the dragon, AND Kyurem. The answer is Team Plasma. He created an organization and fooled them all into thinking that they were going to free Pokémon. And then the events of the games started to unfurl...

I would like to remind you that this theory has nothing to do with the anime, or the movies. This is completely based on the game, and nothing else. I would like to hear all who read's this criticism or reviews. Tell me if this theory makes sense, or just is a stupid old fan theory..

 

[Bolt Strike]

Re: Theory: Is Ghetsis one of the brothers who owned the oringinal Kyurem? *spoilers*

Why would Arceus "punish" Ghetsis by giving him eternal life? That sounds incredibly stupid of him, you think he would imprison him in the same way that he did with Reshiram, Zekrom and Kyurem.

 

[Almonds]

Re: Theory: Is Ghetsis one of the brothers who owned the oringinal Kyurem? *spoilers*

"But that was a long time ago. Ghetsis can't be that old." Let me stop you.

We already saw AZ, who is 3000 years old. Someone getting eternal life as punishment isn't even surprising anymore.

Though I don't see how Arceus would be involved?

 

[DatNuttyGuy]

Re: Theory: Is Ghetsis one of the brothers who owned the oringinal Kyurem? *spoilers*

Interesting theory!

I agree about the punishment. Obviously AZ is tortured, and Lysandre tries to punish the player with that in X. Maybe Arceus didn't punish him though?

And after this long of being alive, it also makes sense that Ghetsis might go insane.

Overall, I agree

 

[WalterWattson]

Re: Theory: Is Ghetsis one of the brothers who owned the oringinal Kyurem? *spoilers*

Why would Arceus "punish" Ghetsis by giving him eternal life? That sounds incredibly stupid of him, you think he would imprison him in the same way that he did with Reshiram, Zekrom and Kyurem.

That is where I think I messed up with this. But maybe I can explain. You see, if you are given eternal life, you have to watch those around you die while you live forever. Lets say that you were given eternal life. You fall in love, they die, and you go into depression. But after a while you would start to avoid any emotional bonds with anyone. This may make a person lonely and even more depressed, then you may start to go crazy. Like Ghetsis in my theory. But that is just my explanation of that part.

We already saw AZ, who is 3000 years old. Someone getting eternal life as punishment isn't even surprising anymore.

Though I don't see how Arceus would be involved?

I am late, yes. Pokémon X and Y were pretty fun games in my opinion. But Arceus? He is, as we all know, the 'god' of the Pokémon world. He would most likely be involved for one of his creations were split into three separate beings, when there was originally only one. And I may be a little off on this part, but if you were to mess with an 'angel' and split it into more beings than it was originally supposed to, the creator of the 'angel' would have more than likely be mad. (If you are an atheist and do not believe in God or angels then that is ok. I am just explaining how Arceus would be involved and an angel was a best way I could)

 

[Bolt Strike]

Re: Theory: Is Ghetsis one of the brothers who owned the oringinal Kyurem? *spoilers*

That is where I think I messed up with this. But maybe I can explain. You see, if you are given eternal life, you have to watch those around you die while you live forever. Lets say that you were given eternal life. You fall in love, they die, and you go into depression. But after a while you would start to avoid any emotional bonds with anyone. This may make a person lonely and even more depressed, then you may start to go crazy. Like Ghetsis in my theory. But that is just my explanation of that part.

That wouldn't be an appropriate punishment, though. If Ghetsis had done this in the past and Arceus was forced to intervene, he would have done something to prevent Ghetsis from doing what he did in BW1 and BW2.

 

[WalterWattson]

Re: Theory: Is Ghetsis one of the brothers who owned the oringinal Kyurem? *spoilers*

That wouldn't be an appropriate punishment, though. If Ghetsis had done this in the past and Arceus was forced to intervene, he would have done something to prevent Ghetsis from doing what he did in BW1 and BW2.

Would it? If Arceus is like the god we have (If you're atheist, this is just an example) he could tell the future and let decisions be made by the creations he has made. Arceus, having gave Ghetsis eternal life, gave him a choice: Live your eternal life peacefully, or choose to keep defying. Ghetsis chose the first option at first, but having eternal life would be harmful to any mental health. After Ghetsis fell in love, that lover would die, and he would have to suffer by living with it knowing that he can not join his lover in any sort of afterlife. So this would lead to Ghetsis not having any emotional bonds at all causing him to grow slowly mad.

So Ghetsis wanted revenge on Arceus for making him suffer this nightmare. He found Arceus' creations as tools, using them only to become stronger. Let's say that Ghetsis was planning to destroy Unova with the power of the legendary dragons in BW, he may have been wanting to destroy the nation he created, but also the Pokémon Arceus created. Now let's say that you had just created the most greatest creation you had made, you give it to your piers as a gift, but then they all get destroyed. Wouldn't you hate to create it once again?But Arceus knew that this wasn't going to happen, he knew that you would prevent any danger that Ghetsis may have created.

Same in BW2. Ghetsis wanted to create Kyurem whole again so he could try and freeze Unova in ice and Arceus' creations. But Arceus knew that you were there to stop him. That you would not let this happen. So Arceus, having Ghetsis go through all the losses, all the loneliness, and all the failures, created the ultimate punishment for him. And as a gift to you, he let you use the tech of the DNA splicers to wield the power of the original dragon. The one Ghetsis wanted back all of his eternal life.

 

[Poke_Player]

Re: Theory: Is Ghetsis one of the brothers who owned the oringinal Kyurem? *spoilers*

MAYBE[/B] an ancestor of N) fought over ideals and truth, the dragon split.

If this were true, what would be the other dragons origin? Say Kyurem and Zekrom split. What would be the origin of Reshiram? After all, I don't know if Nintendo would even be THAT specific with a storyline.

 

[Poke_Player]

Theory: Is Ghetsis one of the brothers who owned the oringinal Kyurem? *spoil...

"So when Ghetsis and his brother (MAYBE an ancestor of N) fought over ideals and truth, the dragon split."
If this were true, then what would be the origin of the other dragon? To put this in a simpler form: Let's say this, if Kyurem and Zekrom split then where did Reshiram come from?

 

[WalterWattson]

Re: Theory: Is Ghetsis one of the brothers who owned the oringinal Kyurem? *spoil...

If this were true, then what would be the origin of the other dragon? To put this in a simpler form: Let's say this, if Kyurem and Zekrom split then where did Reshiram come from?

(Love the avatar) Well in the movie, Kyurem could transform into either form. But since this is based of the game, and not the anime or movie, this is harder to explain. Let's say this, Kyurem could transform into any form he wanted before he split into 3 different Pokémon. After he split, he couldn't transform back. So using the DNA splicers would only allow one dragon to be fused back into him, he could only become that form.

 

[DatNuttyGuy]

Re: Theory: Is Ghetsis one of the brothers who owned the oringinal Kyurem? *spoilers*

I think Kyurem used to be combined with Zekrom AND Reshiram but it was a little bit damaging for Zekrom and Reshiram to rip themselves off of their skeleton (seriously, think about it), so now it's impossible to combine Zekrom and Reshiram.

Alternatively, with the theory that the DNA Splicers were invented by Ghetsis (or someone else, whatever), maybe they aren't strong enough to completely repair them. Or! Or or or or or! Maybe since Ghetsis believed in either truth or ideals (depending on what version), maybe he just doesn't want to combine both. That'd be fulfilling ideals/truth. (Of course, in this theory, whatever Ghetsis believes in is switched between versions.)

I dunno. That's my theory.

 

[WalterWattson]

Re: Theory: Is Ghetsis one of the brothers who owned the oringinal Kyurem? *spoilers*

I think Kyurem used to be combined with Zekrom AND Reshiram but it was a little bit damaging for Zekrom and Reshiram to rip themselves off of their skeleton (seriously, think about it), so now it's impossible to combine Zekrom and Reshiram.

Alternatively, with the theory that the DNA Splicers were invented by Ghetsis (or someone else, whatever), maybe they aren't strong enough to completely repair them. Or! Or or or or or! Maybe since Ghetsis believed in either truth or ideals (depending on what version), maybe he just doesn't want to combine both. That'd be fulfilling ideals/truth. (Of course, in this theory, whatever Ghetsis believes in is switched between versions.)

I dunno. That's my theory.

That was kind of what I was going with yes. And I believe the separate versions are just separate dimensions. So you're not to far off.

 

[coolcatkim22]

Re: Theory: Is Ghetsis one of the brothers who owned the oringinal Kyurem? *spoilers*

"But that was a long time ago. Ghetsis can't be that old." Let me stop you.

We already saw AZ, who is 3000 years old. Someone getting eternal life as punishment isn't even surprising anymore.

Though I don't see how Arceus would be involved?

Dude, AZ got eternal life cause he was around a machine that could bring things back from the dead.

I have never heard of anybody getting eternal life as a punishment in the Pokemon universe. Well, except maybe if you count getting turned into a ghost but that's not the case here.

 

[Almonds]

Re: Theory: Is Ghetsis one of the brothers who owned the oringinal Kyurem? *spoilers*

"But that was a long time ago. Ghetsis can't be that old." Let me stop you.

We already saw AZ, who is 3000 years old. Someone getting eternal life as punishment isn't even surprising anymore.

Though I don't see how Arceus would be involved?

Dude, AZ got eternal life cause he was around a machine that could bring things back from the dead.

I have never heard of anybody getting eternal life as a punishment in the Pokemon universe. Well, except maybe if you count getting turned into a ghost but that's not the case here.

In X, Lysandre tried to make you suffer by eternal life. He tried to use Xerneas power on you. That failed, but it counts as an attempt.

 

[WalterWattson]

Re: Theory: Is Ghetsis one of the brothers who owned the oringinal Kyurem? *spoilers*

"But that was a long time ago. Ghetsis can't be that old." Let me stop you.

We already saw AZ, who is 3000 years old. Someone getting eternal life as punishment isn't even surprising anymore.

Though I don't see how Arceus would be involved?

Dude, AZ got eternal life cause he was around a machine that could bring things back from the dead.

I have never heard of anybody getting eternal life as a punishment in the Pokemon universe. Well, except maybe if you count getting turned into a ghost but that's not the case here.

In X, Lysandre tried to make you suffer by eternal life. He tried to use Xerneas power on you. That failed, but it counts as an attempt.

He tries to give you eternal life in x? Hmph, guess that's what I get for playing y

 

[coolcatkim22]

Re: Theory: Is Ghetsis one of the brothers who owned the oringinal Kyurem? *spoilers*

"But that was a long time ago. Ghetsis can't be that old." Let me stop you.

We already saw AZ, who is 3000 years old. Someone getting eternal life as punishment isn't even surprising anymore.

Though I don't see how Arceus would be involved?

Dude, AZ got eternal life cause he was around a machine that could bring things back from the dead.

I have never heard of anybody getting eternal life as a punishment in the Pokemon universe. Well, except maybe if you count getting turned into a ghost but that's not the case here.

In X, Lysandre tried to make you suffer by eternal life. He tried to use Xerneas power on you. That failed, but it counts as an attempt.

Fair enough. Though I fail to see why, oh why, would Arceus punish Ghetsis with eternal life? Sure, it makes sense for Lysandre because he thought that the world was a horrible place but Arceus wouldn't think of that as a punishment. He created this world according to a myth and probably thinks immortally is a gift. Heck, why would it be Arceus? He lives in Sinnoh mostly and the only time he was remotely in Unova was in the entralink and that's because a Pokemon called him there through a dream.

 

[WalterWattson]

Re: Theory: Is Ghetsis one of the brothers who owned the oringinal Kyurem? *spoilers*

"But that was a long time ago. Ghetsis can't be that old." Let me stop you.

We already saw AZ, who is 3000 years old. Someone getting eternal life as punishment isn't even surprising anymore.

Though I don't see how Arceus would be involved?

Dude, AZ got eternal life cause he was around a machine that could bring things back from the dead.

I have never heard of anybody getting eternal life as a punishment in the Pokemon universe. Well, except maybe if you count getting turned into a ghost but that's not the case here.

In X, Lysandre tried to make you suffer by eternal life. He tried to use Xerneas power on you. That failed, but it counts as an attempt.

Fair enough. Though I fail to see why, oh why, would Arceus punish Ghetsis with eternal life? Sure, it makes sense for Lysandre because he thought that the world was a horrible place but Arceus wouldn't think of that as a punishment. He created this world according to a myth and probably thinks immortally is a gift. Heck, why would it be Arceus? He lives in Sinnoh mostly and the only time he was remotely in Unova was in the entralink and that's because a Pokemon called him there through a dream.

Did you read my statements? Eternal life will always be horrible, even in a perfect world.

 

[coolcatkim22]

Re: Theory: Is Ghetsis one of the brothers who owned the oringinal Kyurem? *spoilers*

Did you read my statements? Eternal life will always be horrible, even in a perfect world.

According to who?

 

[Silverwynde]

Re: Theory: Is Ghetsis one of the brothers who owned the oringinal Kyurem? *spoilers*

Did you read my statements? Eternal life will always be horrible, even in a perfect world.

According to who?

Rumiko Takahashi, for one. Read Mermaid Scar, as it makes the case for "eternal life blows chunks". Unless you've got someone by your side who is immortal as well, you will sit back and watch all your friends and loved ones grow old and die. You will pretty much be left alone in the world because sure, you can makes friends but you will outlive them. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Or there's Casshern Sins, where the immortal got so bored with living that they wanted it to end. Nothing gave them any pleasure, as they had done everything already.

Sounds to me like that would suck.

As for the thread topic, I don't see Arceus giving Ghetsis eternal life. Ghetsis would simply use that curse to his advantage and probably would have already taken over Unova, as he doesn't seem like the patient sort. But that's just me.

 

[WalterWattson]

Re: Theory: Is Ghetsis one of the brothers who owned the oringinal Kyurem? *spoilers*

Rumiko Takahashi, for one. Read Mermaid Scar, as it makes the case for "eternal life blows chunks". Unless you've got someone by your side who is immortal as well, you will sit back and watch all your friends and loved ones grow old and die. You will pretty much be left alone in the world because sure, you can makes friends but you will outlive them. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Or there's Casshern Sins, where the immortal got so bored with living that they wanted it to end. Nothing gave them any pleasure, as they had done everything already.

Sounds to me like that would suck.

As for the thread topic, I don't see Arceus giving Ghetsis eternal life. Ghetsis would simply use that curse to his advantage and probably would have already taken over Unova, as he doesn't seem like the patient sort. But that's just me.

You have all of it figured out, I like that. But the thing with Arceus, if you read my arguments about how Arceus relates to god, he would have known that you were there to stop him. He created the ultimate punishment by having Ghetsis go through all the losses and loneliness and all the failures, those failures caused by you. And after receiving this ultimate punishment, Arceus took Ghetsis' eternal life away and having him die soon after (that last part is just a little add on, I suppose.)