Spoilers Things that are strange and why it happened. (Speculation)

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I don't made the thread witht he intention of complaining, but more with the intention of sharing info with you.

Pokemon X and Pokemon Y has released and it we only have 69 pokemon in the dex, something that for me it's not normal to any of us.

But what gives me the attention is the complete lack of legendaries (only X, Y and Z), the lack of end-game pokemon and the lack of evolutions except Nymphia.

I think that there's more than one cause, I try to explain them:

1.They have to design all the 3DS from stratch. From zero. In Gen V the design was used from Gen IV. In Gen IV, even though the sprite has to be done from stratch, there can use Gen II as a base. The 3DS is so different from another consoles and the changes has been very big with all of 3DS who has taken a lot of time to Game Freak. This is the main reason of lack of newPokemon.

2.Mega Evolution: We have to made all the Megas who have a big part int he game (which means that was not developed late). This means that they have to spent a lot of time in previous pokemon.

3.Having one year to make the game. This is compensates from the lack of re-makes but this is really means that the games has less tiem than DP to make all the pokemon.

4.The worldwide release. Before, they can delete things in July with no problem; the game was only made for them and then sent to other countries to translate. now the game has to be made in advance to any othe rlanguage to translate. It's true that the step Jap > Eng > Esp/Ita/Fra/Deu/ was dropped in Gen V. This take more time to GameFreak and Nintendo, specially in the case of my country because:

4B. The effects of the European crisis in the development of the games. Specially in some country. This mades that Game Freak have to know that not all games has the medium that Game Freak desired to translate the game.

5. The lack of transfering between Gen V and Gen VI. Pokemon Bank was developed as a emergency solution (this is why is not released when the game like usual) to transfger pokemon. Why Kalos have 450 pokemon in the dex? For this.

6. Many common pokemon has to obteined from large chains of Pokemon from really old version. There's a difference between transferring between B2/W2 than being from Platinum. First and all, the DS is old (it was when Black 2 and White 2 but it was made a exception because the reason above). Second, right now the 3DS can't be hacked and the Pokemon Bank stops hacked pokemon from transferring. Having a lot of common early pokemon early is to encourage younger fans to not depend of trnsferring to get them. Particularly importasnt cases are the Kanto Satarters and some species like Pikachu.

Discuss this, but please. that this is not a thread to bash GameFreak's decisions, but to agree or disagree on them.

For this reason, those are the things that can be deleted because "the lack of time":
-Around 40 pokemon, some of them are new pokemon and others. Around 7-10 new families, allt he legendaries except Xerneas, Yveltal and Zygarde 8the two announced and the third needed for 3rd version). And every evolution of old families not named Sylveon.(and this is because when the decision could have been made, the Eevee short was confirmed with Sylveon in it; they could be even released!).
Species that can lose medium stages: Pancham family, Helioptile family, Noivern family.
Species whose Megas could be from evolutions: Houndoom, Mawile, Manectric, Banette, Absol.
Other suspecting families: Dunsparce (specially), Farfetch'd, Volbeat/Ilumise, Luvdisc, Qwilfish, Sableye, Chatot (specially).

-Lack of any sidequest. Who was a first since FR/LG. Contests, Musicals, etc. Very rare that a long game don't have any sideuqest to do outside of training. Masuda said that'0s a lot of mini-games but it was false.

-Lack of post-game areas which is a first since 3rd Gen. Very rare to not have areas post-game. They also had areas hidden for post-game that aren't used actually. Which it was weird.

There could be more but those 3 are the more notable.

You can said: delaying the game one year; but there's a factor to take: The 3DS has been out for more than 2 years, and Nintendo needs a game for showcase in 2013. And for allt he places, not only in Japan.
 
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Re: Things that are starnge (69 species, no sidequest) and why it happened. (Speculat

There are tons of sidequests post game. Battle Chateau alone says it. It's actually quite a different method of rebattling gym leaders.
 
Re: Things that are starnge (69 species, no sidequest) and why it happened. (Speculat

I think it was just lazyness on Nintendos part.
Why bother creating a 100 new Pokes when you can just put 70 in and rehash some old designs.
Nintendo is having financial problems and so they want to make a fast buck that's all so got the games together in a year and didn't even bother finishing them. This is also the reason for charging you to transfer your old Pokemon.

Little do they realise this drop in quality and content will only harm them further as it harms their reputation.
Yes a few fans on here will defend them, (oh it takes so long to make games 3D) but ordinary people, who are not diehard fans will be put off by this and may not go for Z, or Gen 7.
 
Re: Things that are starnge (69 species, no sidequest) and why it happened. (Speculat

They put a lot of effort in graphics and design, so I won't complain on the small number of new Pokemon, and hopefully they will all be available in the game. I'm unhappy though, with that you can't trade with BW, because that means I have to more or less throw away all my BW Pokemon if I choose not to play BW anymore. I'm still playing Soulsilver, but I don't have time to play so many Pokemon games considering that you really never complete them.
 
Re: Things that are starnge (69 species, no sidequest) and why it happened. (Speculat

They put a lot of effort in graphics and design, so I won't complain on the small number of new Pokemon, and hopefully they will all be available in the game. I'm unhappy though, with that you can't trade with BW, because that means I have to more or less throw away all my BW Pokemon if I choose not to play BW anymore. I'm still playing Soulsilver, but I don't have time to play so many Pokemon games considering that you really never complete them.

That is why the bank and transporter option were created.
 
Re: Things that are starnge (69 species, no sidequest) and why it happened. (Speculat

I don't think it took only a year for them to develop this though, as far back as Black and White they were hiring lots of 3D modelers, I'm pretty sure this has been in development longer...the lack of New Pokemon is a bit disappointing, I won't lie, but I'd hardly call these games rushed and unfinished, or at least not any more noticeable than the usual first entry of a new hand-held generation.

I think there's quite a bit of exaggeration going on in this thread...I doubt this game is going to seriously impact GameFreak's reputation
 
Re: Things that are starnge (69 species, no sidequest) and why it happened. (Speculat

Thanks for the spoiler title...
 
Re: Things that are starnge (69 species, no sidequest) and why it happened. (Speculat

They put a lot of effort in graphics and design, so I won't complain on the small number of new Pokemon, and hopefully they will all be available in the game. I'm unhappy though, with that you can't trade with BW, because that means I have to more or less throw away all my BW Pokemon if I choose not to play BW anymore. I'm still playing Soulsilver, but I don't have time to play so many Pokemon games considering that you really never complete them.

That is why the bank and transporter option were created.

It's very inconvenient and requires a connection which means you cannot trade everywhere anytime.
 
Re: Things that are starnge (69 species, no sidequest) and why it happened. (Speculat

I think it was just lazyness on Nintendos part.
Why bother creating a 100 new Pokes when you can just put 70 in and rehash some old designs.
Nintendo is having financial problems and so they want to make a fast buck that's all so got the games together in a year and didn't even bother finishing them. This is also the reason for charging you to transfer your old Pokemon.

Little do they realise this drop in quality and content will only harm them further as it harms their reputation.
Yes a few fans on here will defend them, (oh it takes so long to make games 3D) but ordinary people, who are not diehard fans will be put off by this and may not go for Z, or Gen 7.
Do you know how long it takes to make 3d models with such high quality? Considering they only had a year i reckn they did pretty good. And they charge for pokebank 'cos of server costs. I'm guessing you have no clue howmuch it costs to run a decent server either, but i'll tell you that $5 a year isn't that bad.

@Garren; Yay! A sensible person!
 
Re: Things that are starnge (69 species, no sidequest) and why it happened. (Speculat

They put a lot of effort in graphics and design, so I won't complain on the small number of new Pokemon, and hopefully they will all be available in the game. I'm unhappy though, with that you can't trade with BW, because that means I have to more or less throw away all my BW Pokemon if I choose not to play BW anymore. I'm still playing Soulsilver, but I don't have time to play so many Pokemon games considering that you really never complete them.

That is why the bank and transporter option were created.

It's very inconvenient and requires a connection which means you cannot trade everywhere anytime.

Its better than not to at all.
 
Re: Things that are starnge (69 species, no sidequest) and why it happened. (Speculat

It's very inconvenient and requires a connection which means you cannot trade everywhere anytime.
And you always brought two DS's and your cartridges with you everywhere you go?

I'd say its more convenient given that you don't really bring multiple DS's everywhere, and if you can get a wifi connection (i.e., your house, your friend's house, any public space that allows it) you only need one DS. You also only have to manage one DS at a time to coordinate a trade with yourself.
 
Re: Things that are starnge and why it happened. (Speculation)

1 game isnt going to hurt a a 16 year old franchise. and the game is great a little to easy and to few pokemon but the game is still an amazing game
 
Re: Things that are starnge and why it happened. (Speculation)

1 game isnt going to hurt a a 16 year old franchise. and the game is great a little to easy and to few pokemon but the game is still an amazing game

If people feel conned, ie only 70 new Pokes and no post E4 story, then they might be a little less eager to rush out to the stores and get whatever game Nintendo releases next.
 
Re: Things that are starnge and why it happened. (Speculation)

People should really stop saying "No post E4 story"

There's an entire thing with Looker. There's also the Battle Chateau and Maison.

There was no plot after DP either, and BW's Looker mission seemed less interesting.
 
Re: Things that are starnge and why it happened. (Speculation)

People should really stop saying "No post E4 story"

There's an entire thing with Looker. There's also the Battle Chateau and Maison.

There was no plot after DP either, and BW's Looker mission seemed less interesting.

It saddens me that some can't accept this as the post-game content. Yes, it may not be of or above their expectation but its better than having actually nothing.
 
Re: Things that are starnge and why it happened. (Speculation)

they put less pokemon in it because they had to make new 3d models for all 700 ish pokemon thats why they added so few. most of what they added are fairy and dragon to make up numbers. As for lack of legendarys we have mewtwo and a form for him to get as well as ALL the origonals. Do we really need more legendarys?
 
Re: Things that are starnge and why it happened. (Speculation)

they put less pokemon in it because they had to make new 3d models for all 700 ish pokemon thats why they added so few. most of what they added are fairy and dragon to make up numbers. As for lack of legendarys we have mewtwo and a form for him to get as well as ALL the origonals. Do we really need more legendarys?

not really but i do wish we at least had the obligatory cute legend
 
Re: Things that are starnge and why it happened. (Speculation)

they put less pokemon in it because they had to make new 3d models for all 700 ish pokemon thats why they added so few. most of what they added are fairy and dragon to make up numbers. As for lack of legendarys we have mewtwo and a form for him to get as well as ALL the origonals. Do we really need more legendarys?

not really but i do wish we at least had the obligatory cute legend

I expect we'll get that soon enough. Remember that all the other ones except Sinnoh's lake trio were all event exclusives, even when available to catch in-game (which require event-only items, like the Liberty Ticket to catch Victini in BW). The previous leaks and everything revealed by those who have already completed the story can't even take event-exclusives into account yet because they haven't been distributed or even revealed. Remember, the event-exclusives are usually revealed officially after the gen they're introduced in is released.
 
Re: Things that are starnge and why it happened. (Speculation)

they put less pokemon in it because they had to make new 3d models for all 700 ish pokemon thats why they added so few. most of what they added are fairy and dragon to make up numbers. As for lack of legendarys we have mewtwo and a form for him to get as well as ALL the origonals. Do we really need more legendarys?

not really but i do wish we at least had the obligatory cute legend

I expect we'll get that soon enough. Remember that all the other ones except Sinnoh's lake trio were all event exclusives, even when available to catch in-game (which require event-only items, like the Liberty Ticket to catch Victini in BW). The previous leaks and everything revealed by those who have already completed the story can't even take event-exclusives into account yet because they haven't been distributed or even revealed. Remember, the event-exclusives are usually revealed officially after the gen they're introduced in is released.

what about the games code or something is xy harder to look into, or something because we usually know every pokemon by now. forgive im not into that kind of stuff so i dont know. but on the other hand if we dont know all the pokemon and if there is more then 68 pokemon then im glade because they wont be spoiled
 
Well, I honestly think that X/Y did not live up to it's full potential, the games are great, but I feel like there was so much more they could do.

One thing I think they could gave done better is the Mega Evolutions, which not only are there so few of them (most being Gen 1 and 3 Pokemon), but I feel like they could have done more with the concept. To me, I think they should have made it so that, rather than simply being formes, that they would have some sort of limitation to them, like lasting only 3-5 turns before reverting back rather than at the end of battle, then you could use it again or another one. Another thing they could have tried is having a consequence to using them, like the HP being halved or being inflicted with a status condition like sleep of confusion after reverting back if the battle doesn't end in 3-5 turns, something reminiscent of the Dark Chips from the Mega Man Battle Network games, where there were consequences to using them and that people were to best use them if they were in a sticky situation.

I do agree that there are too few new Pokemon, and too many older Pokemon, especially from Gen 1 and 3. I would have had about 112 new Pokemon at max (excluding event legends), with about 30-40 new Pokemon in each of the three dexes, this includes new regular evolutions (not Megas) to older Pokemon, more original Pokemon concepts they could have used, and more new legendaries. They should have done something like Johto did, balancing the newer Pokemon with the older ones, rather than strictly the older ones alone while the newer ones are just there for the sake of being there.

Finally is the post-game, which is better to ask "WHAT post-game?", I would do something like Sinnoh did, with Pokemon being available via the Poke Radar that aren't in the Kalos dexes, as well as having a bunch of closed off areas, maybe on a second map or in the blank space of the map in the southern parts where there is virtually nothing there that you can only access by boat or train.
 
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