This is just getting bizarre

[Pie]

So I've been doing some monotonous editing of 'pedia lately, working to reach my goal of surpassing Bulbabot's edit count. (It will be mine-!)

Lately myself, Zhen, and others have been noticing that several articles take the episode summaries which were given to Serebii.net to use. No signs of having permission to use them from the person who wrote them. Which at first was just annoying, because it looked like people were completely ignoring the "Do not submit the work of others without permission" which is in big red text at the bottom of edit pages.

Then we found FabuVinny had done a number of those, which struck us as weird.

Just now, I found this.

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Okay, did we get permission to use those summaries, and people have just been bad about making note of such? Or - really, what's going on here? This seems like too widespread a problem to be just people overlooking that direct copying is bad...

 

[Argy]

No copying from Serebii, period. The quality of its content is usually not up to par with Bulbapedia standards. The episode guides, if they were copied, would need a lot of grammatical fixes, based on my viewings of the site's guides.

What do you mean by "FabuVinny had done a number of those"? He wrote the guides for SPP, or he copied the guides from SPP to Bulbapedia? He should know better than to do the latter.

We could always stick a note in the space for episode guides so when people go to edit the page they see something like, < !-- Do not copy guides from other websites or people without permission. --> (remove space before !).

EDIT: While we're on the discussion of episode guides, should we have a policy of what version to summarize? I've noticed some guides insert quotes from the dub that might not have been in the original. It would be hard to insert Japanese quotes, though, since not many of us know enough of the language to make a good contribution there.

 

[paperfairy]

Bad Archaic! Bad!

 

[Geoffrey]

Just now, I found this.

Okay, I know asking this is going to make me look stupid, but I'm going to ask anyways. What's wrong with that page?

 

[paperfairy]

EP198

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[Geoffrey]

Which means what exactly? Sorry if I'm as clueless as a rock.

 

[Argy]

Archaic posted that summary, but it is the same as the one on Serebii.net, meaning one of three things:

1) He wrote the summary and posted it to both sites.
2) He got permission from the person who wrote the guide to post it to Bulbapedia after it was on Serebii.net first.
3) He plagiarized the summary from Serebii.net and whoever wrote it for that site.

 

[FabuVinny]

First off: I have never knowingly copied a summary from Serebii.net. I want to know where that claim is coming from so do you have any examples?

One thing I can think of with this: I haven't done any guides for Serebii but I know we have some that Bulbagarden staff members wrote for both sites.

 

[Zhen Lin]

Not directly, perhaps, but a cursory search will show that the Altomare Latios/Xeno Lugia synopsis is the same one posted on SPP... sometimes. (Some have been replaced by others.) The episodes in question are:
EP202
EP205
EP206
EP218
EP219
EP220
EP221
EP222
EP223
EP224
EP225
EP226
EP227
EP229
EP230
EP231
EP232
EP233
EP234
EP235
EP266
EP268
AG001
AG002
AG003

 

[Archaic]

I don't actually have any recollection of *ever* posting an episode guide article on Bulbapedia, to be honest. ^^;; I do know however that we have standing permission (or did...probably should check and confirm that with him soon, if we're sharing that many synopsis with Serebii, especially since it's been such a long time now since that permission was given) from Altomare Latios/Xeno Lugia to use his synopsis.

 

[FabuVinny]

Oh, those. Since we already had a number of them, I inserted some summaries that had been missed a while back.

I got them from the threads Altomare Latios did for BMG. Here's the relevant thread for The Heartbreak of Brock.

 

[Zhen Lin]

In that case, we need to collect a list of these and have a statement somewhere that these are, in fact, permitted copies.

So I've been doing some monotonous editing of 'pedia lately, working to reach my goal of surpassing Bulbabot's edit count. (It will be mine-!)

Well, as of a few hours ago I set in motion an interwiki bot from the pywikipedia package on the three major encyclopaediae. This should push the edit count up a little.

 

[Pie]

Well, as of a few hours ago I set in motion an interwiki bot from the pywikipedia package on the three major encyclopaediae. This should push the edit count up a little.

D:

Noooooo! My goal just got further away! T_T

Anyway. If we do have permission to use them, then good, at least we're not in hot water...

Though honestly? I think we should change them if and when possible, they do need a lot of fixing. >_o'