Three years later: what happened to Red?

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Ever since I got my copies of HGSS, I started wondering about Red again. It intrigued me since I got my copy of Silver all those years back, but now I can think better than I could when I was 12.

Red starts out as a kindhearted 11-year-old boy. He goes to train Pokemon, wins badges, saves the Kanto region from an evil organization when no one even asks him to, becomes the League Champion and receives the respect and love of many.

Three years later? Turns out Red has been living as a total recluse on the top of Mount Silver and hasn't even called his mother in several months.

Red has become a shadow of his former self. Something obviously went wrong during these three years. I just don't know what.

So, care to theorize, everyone? What could've possibly happened? Did the fame get too much for him to handle and he HAD to get away? Did he die in a training accident and what Ethan/Lyra fight is his literal shadow, a ghost? Or did he simply get too caught up in his training and forgot that other humans who like him exist? Or was it something else?
 
Simple answer, he was traveling for three years, was told there was a strange Pokémon atop Mt. Silver, where he went up after it for a good few months, with enough food and drink to keep him alive, of course. Once his food ran out, he went to the peak and prepared to take off, but a strange young trainer came up and, thanks to the unwritten trainer's code, the eye contact forced Red to enter battle....

Complex answer is, due to the screwing around with Time and Space going on in Sinnoh, the peak of Mt.Silver was level with Spear Pillar and was caught in a complex time wave, which caused a 12 year old copy of the trainer to exist upon the peak, as he had been the most recent there, and fight whomever was to challenge him. When he was defeated, his purpose was served and he no longer had a reason to exist, thus he faded from existance, while the 14 year old true version wandered around another region.
 
My belief is that there is a secret order in Kanto that Red became a part of. The greatest Champion must stand atop the highest mountain in the land and wait for his successor. Does it make sense? No. But that's what I'm going with.
 
Snake Bandage said:
Red starts out as a kindhearted 11-year-old boy.
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You got any supporting evidence for that? The only evidence of a personality I can think of was when Oak told Red that he loved his pokemon, and I wouldn't trust that old man to give me directions much less tear himself away from his research long enough to pay attention to the neighbor's kid. As far as I'm concerned Red is exactly as devoted to finding, collecting, and fighting pokemon as the player is.
 
I've always thought somehow he was crushed, starting doubting his skills, became stressed, etc and started closing his mind to the outside his world. So he went on that mountain to "train".
 
This theory may be a bit bogus: Red wasn't happy about winning all the time, so at one point prior to the 3 years and after winning the league, he decides to go to Mt. Silver to discipline himself in seclusion.
 
How often to you call your own in-game mother? When yopu want to either get her to save money or stop saving money. You only visit to get some of the saved money or store it away( and after the credits roll) He doesn't need money ontop of a mountain.I think he just followed Moltres from Victory Road to Mt. Silver trying to catch it..
 
Iur_tae_mont said:
How often to you call your own in-game mother? When yopu want to either get her to save money or stop saving money. You only visit to get some of the saved money or store it away( and after the credits roll) He doesn't need money ontop of a mountain.I think he just followed Moltres from Victory Road to Mt. Silver trying to catch it..
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That's stupid. Who says that Red's mom wants to save money? :l
 
alexjuuhh said:
That's stupid. Who says that Red's mom wants to save money? :l
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He's saying that the only time you ever call your mother in any game is in HGSS when she calls about money. Beyond that, you forget she exists. That line may just be a mythology gag.
 
Who says that all Ethan/Lyra's mom wants to do is save money? The only reason she does is because it helps(sometimes, depends on what she buys) her child on the Journey.
 
Instrutilus said:
Complex answer is, due to the screwing around with Time and Space going on in Sinnoh, the peak of Mt.Silver was level with Spear Pillar and was caught in a complex time wave, which caused a 12 year old copy of the trainer to exist upon the peak, as he had been the most recent there, and fight whomever was to challenge him. When he was defeated, his purpose was served and he no longer had a reason to exist, thus he faded from existance, while the 14 year old true version wandered around another region.
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I support your theory because it means that Red culd be in the new region, as the champion. That would be so cool.

And Youngster Joey is the 4th E4. He has 6 Ratticates. They all know Extreme speed and the elemantal fangs. That would be so bad ass.
 
tacotaskforce said:
You got any supporting evidence for that? The only evidence of a personality I can think of was when Oak told Red that he loved his pokemon, and I wouldn't trust that old man to give me directions much less tear himself away from his research long enough to pay attention to the neighbor's kid. As far as I'm concerned Red is exactly as devoted to finding, collecting, and fighting pokemon as the player is.
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I don't remember any examples now, but I'm pretty sure more characters commented on Red's good treatment of his Pokemon. And besides, the kid keeps going around helping people. Sure, the player has ulterior motives for helping others (such as advancing with the plot or getting an HM), but Red the person doesn't have any way of knowing that aiding others will benefit him. He voluntarily saves the Kanto region from Team Rocket when no one even asked him to, he calms Cubone's mother's soul down and tries to rescue Mr. Fuji, he returns the Warden's fake teeth to him... he gives the St. Anne's captain a well-needed backrub when he knows Green just took the Cut HM and left. He does even more good things in FRLG. I don't know about you, but I think that's an example of a person led by kindness.
 
Does it ever actually say in the games he's been up there for that long? I just assumed he was just training ._.
 
Red probably got bored with OHKOing everyone he met and decided to be a total BA at the top of a mountain, waiting for some powerful trainer to come along.

Alternitively, he was fawned over for stopping Team Rocket and being the Champion. Being rather shy, he went away to somewhere where he could be alone. Mt. Silver isn't open to most people, and those who have access to it are powerful enough themselves to not spaz over Red's Uberchu.
 
Snake Bandage said:
I don't remember any examples now, but I'm pretty sure more characters commented on Red's good treatment of his Pokemon. And besides, the kid keeps going around helping people. Sure, the player has ulterior motives for helping others (such as advancing with the plot or getting an HM), but Red the person doesn't have any way of knowing that aiding others will benefit him. He voluntarily saves the Kanto region from Team Rocket when no one even asked him to, he calms Cubone's mother's soul down and tries to rescue Mr. Fuji, he returns the Warden's fake teeth to him... he gives the St. Anne's captain a well-needed backrub when he knows Green just took the Cut HM and left. He does even more good things in FRLG. I don't know about you, but I think that's an example of a person led by kindness.
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Who says he fought Team Rocket to help others? There are more reasons could have had to do it. Like, you know, Team Rocket challenging him when he wanted to go through Mt Moon. Or at the Nugget Bridge. Wanting to get that TM. Getting annoyed by them and fighting them for purely personal reasons. ("I actually had no interest in even entering your stupid hideout, but if you guys love to get beatzen up so much... Alright, it's on, assholes.") Which would also explain why he saved Mr Fuji (and therefore calms Cubone's mother's soul) and Silph Co.
He could still have hoped that the captain would help him with cut, anyway. And why not return the teeth after finding them? There was no real reason to keep them.

I'm not ssaying he's a terrible person and can't be nice or anything, but he doesn't have to be super nice to do the things he does. Even I'd return the teeth and give the captain a backrub and I'm certainly not led by kindness, just not a complete bitch.
 
he made it up MtSilver then fell off after he beat team rocket and the elite 4
 
Kaia said:
Who says he fought Team Rocket to help others? There are more reasons could have had to do it. Like, you know, Team Rocket challenging him when he wanted to go through Mt Moon. Or at the Nugget Bridge. Wanting to get that TM. Getting annoyed by them and fighting them for purely personal reasons. ("I actually had no interest in even entering your stupid hideout, but if you guys love to get beatzen up so much... Alright, it's on, assholes.") Which would also explain why he saved Mr Fuji (and therefore calms Cubone's mother's soul) and Silph Co.
He could still have hoped that the captain would help him with cut, anyway. And why not return the teeth after finding them? There was no real reason to keep them.

I'm not ssaying he's a terrible person and can't be nice or anything, but he doesn't have to be super nice to do the things he does. Even I'd return the teeth and give the captain a backrub and I'm certainly not led by kindness, just not a complete bitch.
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I'm gonna agree with this. I mean, he seems like a nice kid just purely based off the fact that his foil is a clear and obvious douche (Green), but you don't have to be SUPER SPECIAL AWESOME GUY!!!! to stop evil villains from taking over the world (I think most of us, put into a position to stop that, would) and all the other stuff I think is just being in the right place at the right time (or, you know, wrong place at the wrong time).

Anyway, I say Red was annoyed because none of the Pokemon in the rest of the Pokemon World gave his Pokemon enough experience points, so he went up to Mt. Silver to grind until they were all Lv. 100.
 
I always thought that he decided, after actually becoming the CHAMPION with his team and them helping him take down the only instance of organized crime in the Pokemon universe, to take some bonding time with them and truly become one with the Pokemon, foregoing all human contact to understand the Pokemon way of life. Casting himself into the savagest of wild environments Pokemon inhabit, he wanted to understand their way of life, their struggles, and show them through rigorous training and putting his life in the same danger that they put theirs into for his sake in every battle he puts them in, that he is not just a trainer- but a friend, an equal. A soulmate, albeit not in the romantic sense of the word. Although he was already far beyond the normal realm of Pokemon treatment, he wanted to completely eliminate the owner/slave/manager relationship and have complete equality, mentally, physically,and spiritually. His relative silence with Ethan is either due to his focus on Pokemon language, or perhaps his development of the ability to communicate metaphysically with his Pokemon. Once his Pokemon become Level 100, likely the absolute strongest Level 100 physically possible, and he has the ability to fight alongside his Pokemon with the utmost communication, understanding, and emotional connection, he will exit their lair and prove himself worthy- either by dominating the league, saving the world from a new organization, or dedicating his life to being the advocate of Pokemon rights- at any cost.
 
To be honest I expected to hear a story about him in HGSS, but that did not happen.

So now I'm expecting to hear for him in Black and White. :D
 
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