To everyone that thinks takuto is a cheater

[Mr_Cash]

Everyone is saying how takuto is a cheater because he uses a legendary pokemon which is unfair.
Truth is: It's Ash his own fault he quit trying to catch every pokemon and simply just waits on whoever joins his team by themselfs.

Remember when Ash was in the first indigo league and saw a moltress appear? He told misty that he wanted to catch one.
That was the Ash we knew who tried to catch every pokemon and become the greatest trainer.

Nowadays he hardly does any catching at all and lost all interests in catching legendary pokemon despite the fact that he sees a whole bunch everytime in every region he goes to.

If Ash really stuck to his goals as the desired ambitioned trainer he once was back in kanto before he got dull and lame without his fighting spirit , then maybe by now he would've had his own legendaries in his team and beat the crap outta takuto.
However since he didnt , its his own fault he cant win.

 

[ShinyAeon]

Everyone is saying how takuto is a cheater because he uses a legendary pokemon which is unfair.
Truth is: It's Ash his own fault he quit trying to catch every pokemon and simply just waits on whoever joins his team by themselfs.

Remember when Ash was in the first indigo league and saw a moltress appear? He told misty that he wanted to catch one.
That was the Ash we knew who tried to catch every pokemon and become the greatest trainer.

Nowadays he hardly does any catching at all and lost all interests in catching legendary pokemon despite the fact that he sees a whole bunch everytime in every region he goes to.

If Ash really stuck to his goals as the desired ambitioned trainer he once was back in kanto before he got dull and lame without his fighting spirit , then maybe by now he would've had his own legendaries in his team and beat the crap outta takuto.
However since he didnt , its his own fault he cant win.

Yeah, that must be it. Obviously a guy who believes that capturing the Legendaries might be dangerous to the world in general is just a dummy with no fighting spirit...and not, y'know, someone who once saved the world from the effects of someone capturing Legendaries.


Oh, wait....

 

[Mr_Cash]

First of all , isnt Pokemon Gotta Catch Em all the main catch fraze?

Second movies arent the same as the anime.
Ash saves the world from a legendary pokemon creating a disaster in every movie they released.

And third , how would Ash catching legendary pokemon be dangerous to the world if he has no intentions to harm anyone?
It would be like Noland who befriended an articuno.
Or brandon catching all 3 regis.
Nothing bad came from that.
And you cant blame giga-regis either because he was fine untill hunter j caused chaos.
Therefore , catching legendary pokemon isnt a thread towards the world.

If theres was an Anti catching legendary pokemon rule , to protect the world , then this would be universal and takuto would be forced to release it.
However there isn't.
Therefore Ash is perfectly fine to catch the moltress he once wanted to , or any other legendary pokemon that crosses its path.
Choosing not to do so is his own decission , but therefore he shudn't be suprised if he gets owned in this tournament.
And people saying its unfair that takuto does use a legendary , its not. Because he actually decided to catch one , unlike Ash who changed goals.

 

[Falconwing]

the movies are canon with the show. It's been proven.

 

[Mr_Cash]

The movies may be canon , but what i was pointing out is that theres nothing against catching legendary pokemon in the anime.
No one stopped brandom from catching all 3 regis , neither is anyone stopping takuto.
Therefore theres nothing wrong with Ash catching moltress or any other which when he first started his journey , he intended to do so.

 

[Falconwing]

Well, there are different types of legends. The Regi's and Darkrai sort of fall into the okay to catch category, but Dialga and Lugia and such don't.

 

[Garren]

I think the main problem is not that he has a Darkrai but, rather, he's been pretty much pulled out of nowhere and given a Legendary simply to defeat Ash. People didn't like Ritchie, Harrison, and Tyson doing that, and I have a feeling people aren't too happy about Takuto doing it either.

Doesn't matter if he has a Darkrai or a Dunsparce, he's still a douche made for the sole purpose of defeating Ash and prolonging the series.

 

[The Puppetmaster]

The show would be too boring if Ash caught a legendary.

Well, the gym/league battles would. It's nice to see Ash using strategy and taking the more difficult road because it shows growth in his character.

It's interesting to see Ash having to train his Pokemon and using unique tactics rather than just owning all the gyms without any struggle (unless the legendary's got problems with certain moves or something).

And I think that's sort of the reason why Ash caught Gible so late. If it became a Garchomp by the end, it wouldn't have struggled as much as it did to master Draco Meteor (and we wouldn't have gotten a funny episode like Piplup, Up, and Away).

Oh, and I don't necessarily think Takuto's cheating by using a legendary, either. No rules against it, but it just wouldn't suit Ash.

 

[Miar]

Takuto isn't a cheater. Otherwise, we'd have to call Brandon a cheater. Same for Palmer and Anabel in the games.

 

[dman_dustin]

Eh, well before I start, I don't think anyone who actually "understands" Pokemon would call Darkrai's Trainer, a cheater. Incredibly cheap, yes if Ash doesn't at least knock out 4 of Darkrai Trainer's Pokemon (including Darkrai), it will be the cheapest DEM ever to be produced by the writers just so Ash loses.

Anyway...

Spoiler

Truth is: It's Ash his own fault he quit trying to catch every pokemon and simply just waits on whoever joins his team by themselfs.

The biggest flaw in what you're suggesting, is that even if Ash were to catch almost every single Pokemon he saw (excluding the obvious choices) is simply quite easy, none of them would be league worthy, nor do I think they'd be gym worthy either.

I mean let's think about this for a moment (in game terms). Imagine all the cool Pokemon you'd ever want in the starting route, and there was a shortcut to the league (without any need to beat the E4).

Are you telling me that, as long as Ash were to catch a bunch of Level 5 legendaries, they'd be nearly as powerful as the E4 whose Pokemon levels are in the 50's?

That's the flaw in trying to catch every Pokemon you see. None of them will be properly trained.

Now I'm sure this could easily be remedied by Ash catching 2 Pokemon an episode, for up to maybe 100 episodes, and then when he's got quite a share (or perhaps all the current gen Pokemon, maybe even a few legendaries), he could easily spend the next 100 or so episodes training a select few, beating the gyms with ease.

Only that wouldn't work would it? You also have to put in the consideration of the entertainment level. I'm almost positive no one wants to wait until Ash captures all the Pokemon he can before he actually decides to train a few for gyms and leagues. And no one wants to sit and watch Ash sweep through every single gym. I mean sure, yes, okay, maybe a one or two gyms, it would be cool if Ash swept through them, but all 8? No I sure is hell wouldn't want to.

If you care even just a little about Pokemon, you wouldn't suggest such a thing as "capture every single Pokemon." Because quite frankly it would be rather Naive to think that you'd be able to capture all the Pokemon (in the anime). Plus what are Ash's co-stars supposed to have? Are they supposed to let Ash do everything while they sit helpless with no Pokemon because Ash has all of the options? It would just be a bad move in its entirety.

One might ask then: Why not just capture a legendary Pokemon?

Good point, I have no qualms of Ash capturing a legendary Pokemon? Why? Because those who insist Ash can capture/obtain a pseudo-legendary with 600 Base Stat Totals then something like Darkrai who has the same BST as Garchomp, could easily be caught with Ash. For those insisting that Ash can have a Garchomp, don't pull a double standard and say he can't have something like Darkrai. They both have the same BST, so any argument you may think of is already countered no matter how hard you try. The only exception of course would be if you don't want Ash to get a 600 BST Pokemon no matter what it's classification is.

However there might be a flaw with this, the anime writers may not care too much about base stat totals, at most they may use them as a guideline (if they are even aware of them), so legendary Pokemon might have a higher BST than they do in the games. However this is still not a good argument (for those insisting Ash can have something like Garchomp but not a legendary) since the writers themselves already broke this rule by giving quite a fair few people Legendary Pokemon especially some unknown league person.

So I really expect to Ash to get a Legendary Pokemon in the future. Only if he does, I expect a few things in order for it to be treated fairly as a legendary Pokemon:

1. It shows up quite frequently, I mean at least 40-50 onscreen appearances throughout the region. So no Gible crap by only throwing it 13 appearances.

2. It is sparingly used. I know if Ash were to get a legendary some would expect Ash to use it left and right winning all his battles, but that would be unfair to Ash's other Pokemon (except Pikachu, since I don't care about its possible shortened screen time). Nor do I want people thinking the only reason he's as far as he is, is because of this legendary Pokemon. If anything have Ash's legendary beat the opponent's last Pokemon easily, because Ash's previous super powerful Pokemon did a lot of damage. So for example let's say Ash had Infernape, and Darkrai, and Paul has Electivire. Have Infernape deal so much damage, left and right, activating blaze, and then it comes to a stare down, where Infernape unfortunately falls, Electivire not doing so well in the process. Then Ash sends out Darkrai, and because Electivire is so tired it just can't compete. That is the only situation where I'd be fine with Ash knocking out his opponent's last Pokemon with his legendary. Otherwise while I guess it would be fine if it was just one on one, people might mistakenly think the only reason Ash won was because of the legendary (despite the fact that if you actually think about it, Ash's legendary could easily just be replaced with a super powerful Pokemon (like Heracross maybe), and could reproduce the same results).

3. It only loses to a fully evolved super effective Pokemon (or at least a super effective move with a fully evolved Pokemon), or due to a team effort (at least 2-4 Pokemon), or a Pokemon belonging to an E4 or Champion. None of this Caterpie/Magikarp knocking it out just because the writers can. This also includes comical knockouts as well. The only exception to this is if it was part of the Legendary's story, about Ash needed to unlock its true legendary potential, possibly due to some dramatic event in its past. Otherwise if legendary Pokemon loses just as easily as Ash's other Pokemon, it would do serious injustice to the legendary. I don't care if something like Garchomp gets knocked around easily against a fairly weak ice type (Pokemon or move), but at the very least, make the possible Legendary Pokemon only lose just within the right expectable circumstances.

 

[Cybersai]

Why would anyone want Ash to capture a legendary?

YAWN.

 

[Caseydia]

I think it's just that we're not used to seeing trainers have legendaries in the leagues, so I guess that's why people think he's a cheater but in reality, this is perfect.

 

[ShinyAeon]

First of all , isnt Pokemon Gotta Catch Em all the main catch fraze?

Second movies arent the same as the anime.

Well, yes, they are (as Ryuutakeshi pointed out). Same canon, same universe, same characters...same lessons about not capturing the gods/spirits (kami) of the Pokeworld.


"Gotta Catch Em all" is the "catch fraze" of the games.

Anime isn't the same as the games.

Ash saves the world from a legendary pokemon creating a disaster in every movie they released.

And usually the Legendaries are serving some important purpose for the world, and trying to capture them is what CAUSES the trouble to start with.

And third , how would Ash catching legendary pokemon be dangerous to the world if he has no intentions to harm anyone?

Jirarudan (The Collector) had no intention to harm anyone...he just wanted to have have the Great Birds on display in his airship. An egotistical goal, to be sure, but also a perfectly peaceful, non-harmful one.

It turns out that those particular Legendaries are somehow linked with powerful natural forces, which run amok if the Pokemon are out of commission...oops!

It would be like Noland who befriended an articuno.

Befriended - not captured.

And even though this Articuno was not THE Articuno that helps keep the world's forces in balance, the writers showed that it wasn't just something to capture and train like any old Pidgey.

Or brandon catching all 3 regis.
Nothing bad came from that.

Brandon also released all his Regi's as soon as he saw that they had a greater purpose to fulfill. And according to certain fans, releasing powerful Pokemon is just about the stupidest thing a trainer can do, making it clear that they are idiots who are not worthy of being a Pokemon Master. (I mean, that's what people say about Ash all the time, right?)

So by those standards, Brandon is just as much an idiot as Ash.

Or else...Brandon and Ash are not stupid, but simply wise enough to understand that, in their world (the world of the anime), sometimes Pokemon have purposes greater and more significant than serving some random kid who chucks a ball at them.

Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you should.

And people saying its unfair that takuto does use a legendary , its not. Because he actually decided to catch one , unlike Ash who changed goals.

Actually, it's the viewers who say it's unfair--not on the part of Takuto, but on the part of the writers. It's a meta-criticism of the show AS a show, not a criticism of the characters within the show.

So saying that Ash "deserves" getting beaten because he "changed his goals" is completely missing the point.

This issue has nothing to do with one trainer being fair to another; it has everything to do with the writers being "fair" to the viewers, and not taking the cheap way out of a tricky plot problem.

I just hope the writers have some other purpose in putting Takuto in there with a legendary--not just to whip Ash's butt. I hope so. They do good stuff when they try...but when they get lazy, they create flaws in the show that fans will complain about forever. If not longer.

 

[Jabberjaw]

Yeah, I agree. I don't think Takuto is a cheater one bit. Ash really hasn't caught very many pokemon compared to the amount of episoded aired.. If they allow pokemon like that in the anime version of the league, Ash should have caught something legendary too or atleast tried. I have no problem with it.

 

[Mijumaru]

Takuto isn't a cheater. If he was, so would be Brandon and Noland.