Trading with Apricorns

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What would happen if you wanted to trade pokemon that are in Kurt's special balls to DPPt? Would the poke ball get changed or something?
 
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Hmmm... Maybe the data is already in D/P/Pt? But perhaps if it was, hackers would have already been aware... that's a good speculation..
 
I believe I heard somewhere that there was extra unused item data in DPP, which could be used for exactly this purpose. Connecting with HG/SS could patch the D/P/P game with the items; Pokeballs, their corresponding Apricorns, SlowpokeTails, RageCandyBars, and the Beserk Gene. Let me give you a possible example;

Game A: Pokemon Pearl Version that has not been connected with HG/SS or a game updated with the items.
Game B: Pokemon Diamond Version that has not been connected with HG/SS or a game updated with the items.
Game Q: Pokemon HeartGold Version.
Player 1: Owner of Game A.
Player 2: Owner of Game B and Game Q.
Data C: The programming for the apricorn balls, the apricorns, ect.

If Player 1 battles Player 2, Player 1 using Game A and Player 2 using Game B, neither game has Data C, neither game gets Data C. If Player 2 uses Game Q, however, Game A recieves Data C. If after that, Player 1 uses Game A to battle Player 2, who now uses Game B, Game B recieves Data C.

You see what I'm saying?
 
Missingno. Master said:
I believe I heard somewhere that there was extra unused item data in DPP, which could be used for exactly this purpose. Connecting with HG/SS could patch the D/P/P game with the items; Pokeballs, their corresponding Apricorns, SlowpokeTails, RageCandyBars, and the Beserk Gene. Let me give you a possible example;

Game A: Pokemon Pearl Version that has not been connected with HG/SS or a game updated with the items.
Game B: Pokemon Diamond Version that has not been connected with HG/SS or a game updated with the items.
Game Q: Pokemon HeartGold Version.
Player 1: Owner of Game A.
Player 2: Owner of Game B and Game Q.
Data C: The programming for the apricorn balls, the apricorns, ect.

If Player 1 battles Player 2, Player 1 using Game A and Player 2 using Game B, neither game has Data C, neither game gets Data C. If Player 2 uses Game Q, however, Game A recieves Data C. If after that, Player 1 uses Game A to battle Player 2, who now uses Game B, Game B recieves Data C.

You see what I'm saying?
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Yeah, but if they had the foresight and the capability to do that in DP for HGSS, why didn't they do it for the new Formes and the Griseous Orb in Platinum? If that was going to happen for the new HGSS stuff, it would have happened for the new Platinum stuff first.
 
I'm quite certain that here will be something set up to have it so the special ball becomes a pokeball. All they had to do was code DPPt to see anything foreign as something already in the game.
 
Option A: A Pokemon that is in an Apricorn ball just get put into a normal Pokeball when traded.

Option B: "Bulbasaur (just an example) is using a special ball and cannot be traded." or something along those lines.


Option A seems most likely due to compatibility and such.
 
Dex said:
Option A: A Pokemon that is in an Apricorn ball just get put into a normal Pokeball when traded.

Option B: "Bulbasaur (just an example) is using a special ball and cannot be traded." or something along those lines.


Option A seems most likely due to compatibility and such.
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But then the big question is: what about if you trade it back to HGSS? Will the ball's data have been completely lost?

Like I've said before, we just need to wait. Kurt's a pretty major NPC - he'll probably be reintroduced fairly soon, and whatever Balls they end up using with him. But arguing over this in multiple threads is getting really old.
 
DorianBlack said:
But then the big question is: what about if you trade it back to HGSS? Will the ball's data have been completely lost?
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Thank back to Pokemon Yellow and your starter Pikachu and what happened in this particular scenario.
 
I suspect that we won't get the exact same apricorn pokeballs from GSC(obvious), and if there are apricorns, they won't be allowed to be traded over to non-HGSS carts(also obvious; it's not like preventing trading over things to games where they didn't exist yet is anything new). As for the balls? Assuming that they're HGSS-exlusive balls, I'm guessing that they'll be changed to look like DPt balls if you're battling/trading with those games. And maybe even on wi-fi in general, if the lameness with Origin Form Giratina and the new Rotom forms is anything to go by.

Would the balls turn back if you traded to DPt and back to HGSS? Maybe if they found somewhere to hide data for that where DPt couldn't erase it, but this really isn't that big of a deal. You already caught the Pokemon, how often do you care that much about what ball it's in?
 
Juputoru said:
I suspect that we won't get the exact same apricorn pokeballs from GSC(obvious), and if there are apricorns, they won't be allowed to be traded over to non-HGSS carts(also obvious; it's not like preventing trading over things to games where they didn't exist yet is anything new). As for the balls? Assuming that they're HGSS-exlusive balls, I'm guessing that they'll be changed to look like DPt balls if you're battling/trading with those games. And maybe even on wi-fi in general, if the lameness with Origin Form Giratina and the new Rotom forms is anything to go by.

Would the balls turn back if you traded to DPt and back to HGSS? Maybe if they found somewhere to hide data for that where DPt couldn't erase it, but this really isn't that big of a deal. You already caught the Pokemon, how often do you care that much about what ball it's in?
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Now that in Gen. IV we have different release effects in battle, it does make a difference - not a huge one, but I'd be at least a little annoyed if the ball I intentionally caught a certain Pokémon in for the effect got changed.
 
Aren't we already discussing this in the "Item Speculation" thread?
 
Ryuutakeshi said:
Thank back to Pokemon Yellow and your starter Pikachu and what happened in this particular scenario.
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But that was done using data that was perfectly valid in Red and Blue: Your trainer ID. If you had a Pikachu on yellow that happened to match your ID, it would be counted as your starter (since the starter Pikachu is the only one obtainable in Yellow). New balls would have to be implemented as having a "ball ID" that doesn't match the ball ID for any ball in DPP. If you trade a pokemon to DPP that's in a ball that's outside of DPP's valid range, the DPP game is likely to throw a hissy fit.

I think the most likely scenario is that the balls Kurt makes will simply be the ones introduced in Gen 3. After all, those were simply improved versions of Kurt's balls. Asking for Moon Ball et all, is like asking for Gold Berry and PsnCurBerry to return. Sorry folks, ain't gonna happen.
 
Jeff said:
But that was done using data that was perfectly valid in Red and Blue: Your trainer ID. If you had a Pikachu on yellow that happened to match your ID, it would be counted as your starter (since the starter Pikachu is the only one obtainable in Yellow).
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No, that's wrong - if you trade away your Yellow starter Pikachu, even to another Yellow game, and then have the exact same Pikachu traded back, it will no longer follow you around, have a perceivable happiness stat, or refuse to evolve - basically, it's just another Pokémon. Its ID is the same as it was before, and the game still recognizes you as the OT, but it's no longer the unique Pikachu that it was before you traded it. Having a similar thing happen to the Balls, with any unique ones changing into, say, Park Balls, and then staying that way if their Pokémon is traded back, definitely wouldn't be a disaster. But it would be mildly annoying, especially if you specifically captured a Pokémon in that Ball so that it would have a certain release effect, and Game Freak does tend to pay attention even to how small details like that affect he logic and fun of the game.
 
Missingno. Master said:
I believe I heard somewhere that there was extra unused item data in DPP, which could be used for exactly this purpose. Connecting with HG/SS could patch the D/P/P game with the items; Pokeballs, their corresponding Apricorns, SlowpokeTails, RageCandyBars, and the Beserk Gene. Let me give you a possible example;

Game A: Pokemon Pearl Version that has not been connected with HG/SS or a game updated with the items.
Game B: Pokemon Diamond Version that has not been connected with HG/SS or a game updated with the items.
Game Q: Pokemon HeartGold Version.
Player 1: Owner of Game A.
Player 2: Owner of Game B and Game Q.
Data C: The programming for the apricorn balls, the apricorns, ect.

If Player 1 battles Player 2, Player 1 using Game A and Player 2 using Game B, neither game has Data C, neither game gets Data C. If Player 2 uses Game Q, however, Game A recieves Data C. If after that, Player 1 uses Game A to battle Player 2, who now uses Game B, Game B recieves Data C.

You see what I'm saying?
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I don't know the ins and outs of how it worked or if hackers were aware of its existence before the release of FRLG, but is this something like how the National Dex worked in RS?
 
I think the aprocorns will give us the common Gen IV special balls. Think about it. In Johto there's no Devon Corp. and thus they can't be purchased in Johto nor in Kanto, so it is more likely that these balls will be made by Kurt, maybe retconing his story into being a former employee or the man that invented Devon's Balls but just wanted to stay independent instead of working for them. Then, the Poké Ball problem is solved. As for the apricorn itself, just restrict them (as well as the Berserk Gene) from being held when connecting to DPPt.


DorianBlack said:
No, that's wrong - if you trade away your Yellow starter Pikachu, even to another Yellow game, and then have the exact same Pikachu traded back, it will no longer follow you around, have a perceivable happiness stat, or refuse to evolve - basically, it's just another Pokémon. Its ID is the same as it was before, and the game still recognizes you as the OT, but it's no longer the unique Pikachu that it was before you traded it. Having a similar thing happen to the Balls, with any unique ones changing into, say, Park Balls, and then staying that way if their Pokémon is traded back, definitely wouldn't be a disaster. But it would be mildly annoying, especially if you specifically captured a Pokémon in that Ball so that it would have a certain release effect, and Game Freak does tend to pay attention even to how small details like that affect he logic and fun of the game.
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No, you're wrong. I remember, when you trade your Yellow starter Pikachu and then trade it back to its original game, it still follows you around and measures happiness. I remember it because I did that and I'll never forget how angry my Pika was when it came back to my Yellow. The only way to stop him following you and perceiving happiness is if you evolve it while it's in the other game.
 
Really? I'd always heard the opposite. Regardless, though, there's no guarantee the balls will or even can work in that way.
 
yeah as some said before me, im guessing that they will become dusk balls and net balls instead of the old balls(it was a long time ago and i was only like 5 i dont remeber)
 
A. Game divideds by 0,universe explodes, your screwed.
b. In there as plaseholder.
c. Bot compatable.... Damnit!
 
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