EVERYONE: - Complete Twisted Faith

[tyger]

EDIT: Finally decided on a title. and changed the poem a tad bit to suit me better. it was gnawing at me.

heh, 'ello few of you might know who i am, but most probably do not.

well i'm here for a while anyway.

so here's a little tidbit of my creative ineptitude.

Yes, that is the famed humbled artist approach.

ANyway, flames, criticism, and style change comments are appreciated.


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Twisted Faith

The days have passed
of angels in the sky
who now but be a ship's juried mast.
While the original beneath the ocean lie.

To think of that simple yester year
Where lithe lasses frolicked in pagan sense
free of undoubted sin and all its peer. ;
Never again! Even at thousand Peter-Pence

All this roots in perennial thrift
of Balder who lost his human person
to a timeless void for choice heaven's gift.
Gone from this land he saved from done undone.

Now this time but lingers forward,
where Angels lie in stone
than on cloud; A time now disarray'd
in a faith restricting and alone

All that is now be memory.
of childer who stay wall-shackled
in fear godly wrath and love of Whiteash tree.
in a faith led by tithe to those rich crackled

still the Whiteash tree is gone.
Where Balder bled himself dry,
for sins of others on our earth-forlorn
And Woden in majesty shed a silent cry.

For this loving deity's demise
sought abrupt unshodden tears
in all, regardless of familial despise.
As both tree and divine disappeared to music of deific spheres.

The wild lot tore the sky asunder by cries adrift.
"Balder! Balder, thank ye lord for yon sacrifice."
The lost priestly lot renewed the last crying shift
with words unlike the ones said before: portends of cruel demise.

"Cristos, Ye brought to me new vision
"preposterous for you to be in pagan pantheon
"ye son of only nameless God too mighty to shun.
"Cristos! Cristos and not Balder of boor-lot plebian."

this the tale of faiths that clash.
Ashen wood forts fell to Pitch and Tar
Joy and grace renewed as stoic blind faith rash.
both faiths ever the same, just doubt clouded hearts all.

 

[Fig]

Excellent ficlet Tyger. Poetry seems to really suits you - you can actually use all those complex words without sounding awkward in the least bit (AKA the Jello sea) ;-).

Seriously, great job. And if I understand what the poems get at, generally VERY agreed on. People who seeks to impose their faith on other (especially by strength of arms) sucks.

But then again, you already knew my opinion on enforced preaching.

 

[Legend of Didesy]

Wow. Very very nice poem. I can't write like that, ever. It's very eloquent and elegant; very nicely worded and has a very mythical touch to it. I love it. Great message too. You're brilliant, tyger.

 

[tyger]

Well, in hopes of a few more replies, I lingered from posting a reply to my few unfortunate reader..err i mean adoring fans. Well on with the tortur...replying I suppose.


Damian Silverblade: Ahh, First and foremost, to have the very graceful mod of this forum among others, reply to my poetry. I feel honored. Of course, I did assert my privilege as a good close buddy and somewhat of a quasi-net "family member", thus forcing him to read this. Thus said, i'll put my pill induced bitterness aside, and just reply. thanks for answering B. I do seem to have a talent for poetry it seems. Of course if i had made this a story you'd have been poking at me very ribs, pointing out its jelloey qualities. Of course that is the fun of our im convos. MWUAHAH. And of course, zealots must die. err where'd that come from. sorry. *whistles away and jumps to the next tortured soul aka poster*

Legend of Didesy: First I am honored that a legend, herself has answered to this. Second, well you are a legend, of the old pokemon board world. and one of this world as well. MWUAAHAH err enuff rambling. And uhh, i'm sure you can write better than this. The nicely worded ness is what i and B call drowning in a sea of jello. the mythical touch was there cuz of the whole norse mythology bit ^_~. The message, yes.. kill all zealots. *everyone stares at me* err..umm yeah. I'm just kidding. that isn't the message, that's just my freakish pill effects. I love blaming it all on the pill. XD i sound like i'm taking a contraceptive. I suppose it is one in some odd sort of manner. ANd thanks for the brilliant comment. but i don't think so. I just think of myself as eccentric. that's a polite way of saying your wierd. Well, actually its not. a polite way of saying your wierd is saying that your interesting. And when someone calls me interesting, that angers me. Calling me eccentric brings a strangled smile on my face. I wonder what a strangled smile looks like.

Well until then.
THis is tyger
Saying
-Ta

 

[achooxp]

That poem was crazy dense with lots of allusions. You're too damned literary for my shallow brain. Anyway, I tried to decipher it and failed due to my stupid nonfunctioning brain and saw once again why I could never be an English major. Hehe. Anyway, after I read the replies and went back, I thought I understood more of it.

I really like the way it sounds; the way it cadences in my mind and how I can imagine the voices with those accents. And then aside from the audio input, there's also the gloomy, foreboding, and ominous visual imagery which is very... umm... Mordoresque.

Now for the subject of the poem- does it have to deal with imposed faith? ; *shrug* I guess I'll put a bit of my personal opinion here as well. It may be censored for being inappropriate, but oh well.

As a person of faith, I find it strange how most literary representations of faith are so vehemently negative. If it was not something that I experienced on a personal level, I don't think I would touch religion with a 10-foot-pole. Why is this so? Why are the positive sides never shown? Why is all faith and its representations clumped into one negative stereotype in modern society? Because, as I understand it, it's about loving, not hating- and though many may disagree with me, I will rest my case there, because what I would say here would not be seen by many and those who see it would probably not care either, especially because this post is getting rather long.

 

[tyger]

err mousie. hey

Well, one of the points i was trying to put out was about the misunderstandign nature of faiths.

the idea of this little prose was to show that even though in a vague sort of way, in norse mythos when balder dies on a gnarled twisted branch on the white-ash tree. A new religion is born.

They doubt the older religion. and the older religion doubts the new religion.

BUt in fact, they have the same moral principles, the same skewed negatvity when it comes to certain issues. Hell the same beloved son of god who sacrfices himself on a cross. But, it all doesn't matter because, they give him two different names and refuse to even call him by the other one.

So it's a bit about the twisted nature of faith.

Even though judaism and Islam stem from the same err stem. They propose an imposed hatred of the other. yet they came from teh same source.

same with during the crusades with christianity.

take islam and Hinduism again in the southern asia area. It's a very conflicted topic.

But you have othe religions which thrive off the existence of well the older ones, a more of a symbiotic form I suppose. but taht would be a skewed representation of them. I talk about say the wiccans or the shinto-ites(sp?) or the buddhists and so on. they are based on existing religions of that part. Yet they are mostly shunned by their human counterparts in the religious fatih community.


Thus the whole TWISTED faith thing.

NOthign more nothign less.

this is a poem that can be taken either way.Now i'm going to do a small poll K. Tell me what ya read from these letters.

G O D I S N O W H E R E
~~~

 

[achooxp]

God is now here. ?

And in response to your reply, ahh I see. You see, I'm just not very good at poetry myself and therefore am unable to write or comprehend it. I liked how your poem sounded in my head, still.

 

[Timarelay]

That's a cheap trick that has all to do with how you process words jumbled together and nothing to do with whether you believe in God. I read it as God is Nowhere because I do it sound by sound and I see the sound No before I notice the w to make it a Now and by that time I've already spotted the where and read it as nowhere. I suppose, or at least, am hoping, that your point was simply that we all process things differently

And damnit, now I have to read the poem and legtimize this reply.

Not the type of poem I go for at all. ^^ Sorry Tyger. I'm sure it's a lovely poem but it just doesn't appeal to me, the subject matter or the style. It's the type of poem that I don't get on a first read and that doesn't entice me to want to sit and figure it out because not only is there too much to think through, but there's so many words and phrasings that come across as archaic to me, though I understand them, and I'm a modern gal =/

 

[tyger]

*glomps*

Replies ^_^.

M0uise: *glomps* Well don't worry about the word thing, as T explained it, it's just to show you that there are different ways at looking at things and all of them could be wrong or right or both at the same time.

T: well you hit the spot right on. and yeah it's alright. you Didn't have to read my poem if you didn't wnat to you know . But thanks anyway. But, as i've said before, this poetry has nothing to do with god per say. Except that it deals with how one looks at it. IF you look at it as a manifestation of human desires to push all our worries on a omnipotent source. So be it. IF you look at it as the true existence of such an omnipotent source, and the love that we show towards him. so be it.

And yes, my poetry is a tad bit archaic. Alright, Alright, it's completely archaic. most of my writing tends to lean that way for some reason. It might have to do with either the fact that I've grown used to reading a old old medieval prose and i tend to carry that on to my writing. OR i'm just a cliched little tart who tends to go with the "oh, i'm cool if I use an old type of writing style that is completely redundant and useless, yet totally originall for no one uses it anymore"
of course it would also help if i had proper grammar -_-.

 

[Fig]

Psh. T's just being grouchy. T is the grouchy young lady .

That said Mousie, I disagree with your assessment that all writing present religion as uniformly bad, especially in the fantasy field. Tolkien doesn't deal much with religion, but faith in the Valar ("angelic" beings, agents of the One, Illuvatar) and prayer to the name of one of them (Elbereth) prove to be one of the few things that can turn back the darkness represented by the Nazgul.

Similarly, Eddings in his Tamuli and Elenium, takes a very nuanced approach. Yes, the chuch organization is corrupt, but that does not mean there's no good in it.

What writers tend to denounce is the dangers of extremism/fundamentalism, and not only militant (ie, terrorist) variety. Fundamentalist religiousness in itself imply directly intolerance; and without tolerance this world is going to hell fast . Faith in itself has its good points, inquisition and religious censorship do not.

If we cannot even learn to accept each others because we stay stuck at how our believes are necessarily right and others should be forcibly made to adapt to them, we as a specie don't deserve this world.

 

[tyger]

nah, T isn't grouchy. she's just a chibaaay (hides) sorry, been a while.

And I don't mind if she doesn't like or takes harshly to my writing, because as i've said before i write for me own self, but it's fun to see other ppl reading my work, whether they like it or hate it. It just means *sniff* that i've been appreciated ^_^.

B: Alex does show a good point, though. Many writers do show a somewhat slanted view of religion, whether for it or against it. ja ne. It's hard to find a middle ground, except in Edding's tamuli. (at least the only oen I've seen it in.) It's the one scene where Sephrenia takes them all to her "abode" (don't know what else to call it ^^;. Yet she excludes the Tamuli advisor to their emperor, cuz he's an atheist. whereas their emperor is an agnostic, so he is allowed. Cuz that shows him taht religion does exist. Ah the clever wit ^_^. Or you could take the works of Garth Nix, and his Abhorsen series, where they don't address teh issue of Gods, but more or less the anti-gods. That is the necromancers and the death-mages (well almost the same thign), and also demons. But no counterpart. Except humans. So here you have the issue of humans facing their bleakest present with no one to look after them from above, except themselves. SO you have both sides. Now if you take series like say "Lord of the Rings" or "the chornicles of Narnia" , you can see great influences of religion, much so in the former than the latter, but meh, Lewis was set out more to tell a tale than to influence others, which was more like Tolkien.

but aside from fantasy you go to science fiction, which most of the time doesn't have the influence of a God in it, unless you look for fantasy from teh 50's-80's where a lot of fantasy was disguised as science fiction for fantasy just wasn't selling much at that time, unless it was a very remarkable work. Take the Zelazny's Amber series, teh first few go the way of science fiction in terms but slowly deviate to fantasy. At least in perception.

Take say horror, you have the death gods and all if you take say old horror. but aside from taht it's a pretty dull field for religion.

Now you take say apocalyptic series like uhh, the Tim Lefaye(Lehaye?)'s series of Armageddon. It's like ten or so books long, and i've read only half of the first one. so I can't tell you much, except it's about the people who are left here after the second coming of Christ. So that deals with religion. But it's a bleak perspective. For, it makes the protagonists in that world analyze their previous actions and think whether they were right or were they wrong for rejecting Christ. So it leads them on the path of redemption so they can get back into heaven the hard way, or it leads to blame God. It's a skewed perception still, but intriguing for it holds both views of religion. But it still upholds teh view of ONE religion over all, so it is still skewed. But of course most fiction is skewed in one way or another, I suppose.

So there.

I've provided an argument countering m0usie's post in my previous post, and an argument countering D's argument which countered m0usie's post as well.

So I both agree and disagree with the points noted above. So with that said, read the poem above in whatever light you want .

 

[Timarelay]

Actually, I was being grouchy in the first half of my reply. But I was simply being honest in the second half. I wasn't taking harshly to your writing though, and I hope my tone didn't come across as harsh. I was just explaining why I didn't like it instead of just stating the fact. And I do like some of your writing, tyger, but this one in particulair does nothing for me.