(Type) should resist (Type) but be weak to (type)!

[Derp-Derp2]

Ok i want to know what people think some types weakness should / shouldn't be.

Personally i think Bug is way too under powered.

I think Bug should resist rocks because how many times can you lift a rock to find bugs living under it? That says to me bugs resist rock.

I also think they bugs should be neutral fire. Now considering insects can resist some of the harshest environments on earth i don't see why bugs should be weak to fire just neutral.

I think bugs should resist ice. There are insects that are fully immune to being frozen

I also think Bug should be strong vs steel. Simply because Steel type is the closest type to computers (other than Porygon) just look at magnetite / Klinklang / Gensect even Metagross is described as having a brain like a super computer. Therefor i feel like computers steel should be weak the the bug type (instead of fighting)

Finally i think insects should be weak to poison because of pester sides and other bug sprays it only makes sense for them to be weak to poison.

 

[Master Mew]

Ok i want to know what people think some types weakness should / shouldn't be.

Personally i think Bug is way too under powered.

I think Bug should resist rocks because how many times can you lift a rock to find bugs living under it? That says to me bugs resist rock.

I have had this exact thought on many occasions.

I also think they bugs should be neutral fire. Now considering insects can resist some of the harshest environments on earth i don't see why bugs should be weak to fire just neutral.

Harsh environments, yes, but fire? Someone will probably correct me with an obscure species but I don't think most insects (if any) are resistant to fire.

I think bugs should resist ice. There are insects that are fully immune to being frozen

Their bodies have to basically shut down for the duration of the winter season for them to do so, however, so I don't see that being much help for them in battle.

I also think Bug should be strong vs steel. Simply because Steel type is the closest type to computers (other than Porygon) just look at magnetite / Klinklang / Gensect even Metagross is described as having a brain like a super computer. Therefor i feel like computers steel should be weak the the bug type (instead of fighting)

I don't really understand this one. How are computers weak to insects? And outside of Metagross and maybe Genesect I don't really see an overarching computer theme among Steel types.

Finally i think insects should be weak to poison because of pester sides and other bug sprays it only makes sense for them to be weak to poison.

That would make a lot of sense, although at the same time many insects produce their own venoms/toxins naturally so I could go either way on this one.

I agree 100% that Bug types are underpowered and underused, but I think the biggest thing holding them back is the stunning lack of powerful bug type pokemon (Genesect aside).

When Gen VI was released I sort of expected Fairies to be weak to Bugs - I'm not sure why, though, so I can't really rationalize it but that's mine.

Also Ice should be supereffective against Water, sense a dip below freezing point seems like it would be lethal for most Water type pokemon.

 

[The Outrage]

I don't really understand this one. How are computers weak to insects? And outside of Metagross and maybe Genesect I don't really see an overarching computer theme among Steel types.

Evidently, the idea is expand the concept of "Bug type" from insects into computer bug/glitch, and then expand Steel types into computers--even though the only Pokemon explicitly being related to a computer is Porygon, and it's final evolution is a glitch. Metagross' computational ability is compared to a super computer (which actually isn't that impressive since there are no computers that could theoretically match the computational skills the human brain does)

I agree 100% that Bug types are underpowered and underused, but I think the biggest thing holding them back is the stunning lack of powerful bug type pokemon (Genesect aside).

Scizor, Mega Scizor, Mega Pinsir, Heracross (at some point).

 

[Master Mew]

OH lol I get what they were going for now, it's been a long day.

Thanks for clearing up the obvious pun that I missed. :XD:

I still think it's contrived, regardless.

 

[The Outrage]

@Master Mew;
Regarding your comment on Ice types being strong against Water:

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The water at the very top of the lake is in direct contact with the cold air, so it freezes first. And because ice is less dense than water, the sheet of ice doesn't sink. If the temperature stays very cold, the sheet of ice gets thicker, but the ice also acts as a barrier, or insulator, between the cold air and the warmer water underneath. The sheet of ice helps the rest of the water from becoming ice!

It seems like a Pokemon with water attributes would have natural defenses against being frozen solid.

 

[Nate21212]

Fairy's coverage is too good and Ice can't resist anything but itself so I would want Ice to resist Fairy. No reasoning behind it, it should just happen. Kind of like how Fairy and Ghost resists Bug..which should probably be changed too

 

[CynthiaLover]

Well, for starters, I think Ice should resist Water and be super-effective against it. Water too powerful, so it needs to get knocked down a peg or two (though that's more of a personal preference), but since Ice IS frozen water, then it should at least be super-effective against it. Sure, water cannot be totally frozen, as the deeper it goes, the harder it is to freeze. But look at the recent weather. The Great Lakes are over 90% frozen. And in the past the East River froze over. If the cold can freeze that much water, even water with a powerful current, then it should be granted the ability to freeze Water-types. After all, look at Freeze Dry. It's an Ice-type move (the only Ice-type move, for that matter) that's super-effective against Water-types. What's to say that mindset cannot be implemented on Water-types in general? If they were willing to break the mold a bit with the introduction of Freeze Dry, then what's not to say it can't work elsewhere? So I think Ice should at least be super-effective against Water. If it could resist it as well, then I'd be very happy.

On another note with Ice, I think it should resist Fairy. Sure, I've heard of ice fairies, but since fairies are creatures of myths that tend to dwell in warm-climate areas, and have a natural affinity for plantlife, then I think Ice should resist Fairy. After all, Ice freezes up Grass-types, and, in my eyes, some fairies (like the Flabebe family, for example), are "flower fairies", then I think that Ice should be able to resist Fairy. Super-effective against it, however, is not something I'd like (especially if Ice did gain super-effective status against Water, then I think five types would be enough). Sure, the same mindset could apply to Ice VS Fairy in terms of offensive punch, but I think that Fairy is pretty much fine the way it is (aside from my Ice resist Fairy bit).

Next up, I think Poison should be super-effective against Water. After all, toxic sludge, oil spills, garbage, and the like pollute the sea, harming marine life in the process, which, in turn, harms us. While I am glad that Poison got a small power-up in general, it's still too weak of a type for any real effectiveness otherwise. So if it could gain a boost by being more effective against Water, then it would make it a bit more worthwhile of a type to use.

On a last note, I think Bug should resist (or at least be neutral) to Rock, as I have the same reasons as the abovementioned posts on the subject. I mean, how many rocks can you pick up and NOT see at least one bug under it? Sure, rocks crush bugs, but they also make homes under rocks, so if it was a neutral relationship, then I'd be fine with that.

 

[Derp-Derp2]

i agree i think ice should resist water look at grass in comparison to water and fire way too strong for a starter type
i also agree poison should be strong vs water look at oil spills..
i also think fighting should be week to dark look at the fighting type they like to fight honorably dark type is dirty fighting sucker punching sneak attacks its like a rogue vs a warrior
i also think poison should be strong vs psychic as poison effects the mind making you unable to concentrate and same again for fighting a warrior who is poisoned can not hit as hard dizziness sickness causes you to be unable to fight.

 

[Slife]

Electric, from a physics standpoint, being supereffective against water and flying makes little sense to me. Water itself is not even a conductor of electricity, rather it is the minerals contained in impure water that gives water its conductive properties. Considering that distilled or pure water is a poor conductor of electricity, if the water pokemon is a "pure" water pokemon, it should really be resisting electric instead.

I also fail to understand why a "flying" type would be any more prone to electric than any other organic pokemon (normal or fighting for one thing). If anything, due to the air's insulating properties and its ability to hinder the flow of moving electrons, electric should be not very effective against flying. Furthermore, I'm not even sure where electric being weak against dragon comes from, but I guess dragons go beyond the realm of fundamental physics.

 

[Zkat]

I agree that ice should resist fairy, fairy shouldn't resist bug, poison should be super effective against water, and fairy should be weak to bug. I'd also be okay with rock being neutral against bug.

Also, I think flying should be neutral against grass. Grass already has four other weaknesses, and it being weak to flying doesn't even make sense to me.
I also think electric needs to have more than just one weakness, but I'm not sure what another weakness could be. Maybe dark because electricity is used for light? (But I guess dark doesn't really work since it isn't supposed to be literal darkness. I think it should at least be super effective against something that ghost isn't, though.)

 

[Norzan]

i also think fighting should be week to dark look at the fighting type they like to fight honorably dark type is dirty fighting sucker punching sneak attacks its like a rogue vs a warrior

Fighting being super effective Dark makes sense since Fighting is considered the "Light" or "Hero" type and Dark is the "Evil" type and Light trumps Evil. Also that reasoning for Poison being super effective against Psychic and Fighting makes no sense since you can poison pretty much poison every type except Steel and Poison itself, so by that logic Poison should super effective against every type except Steel and itself.

The only thing wrong with the current type chart is Fairy resisting Bug and Ice only resisting itself, remove the Bug resistance from the Fairy type and make Ice resistant to Dragon, Ground and possibly Flying.

 

[Master Mew]

I agree 100% that Bug types are underpowered and underused, but I think the biggest thing holding them back is the stunning lack of powerful bug type pokemon (Genesect aside).

Scizor, Mega Scizor, Mega Pinsir, Heracross (at some point).

Well, two of those (the Megas) are new this gen - and require you give up your team's mega-slot to use them (though I'll grant you could do much worse than adding Mega Pinsir to your team), and without his mega stone Heracross is just sort of okay. Scizor is pretty fantastic... but he's also fantastically slow, so...

Obviously I'm not going to argue that those pokemon aren't great because they are, but the vast majority of bug types are severely underpowered and it's really depressing when awesome (looking) pokemon like Beedrill are utterly useless competitively.

@Master Mew;
Regarding your comment on Ice types being strong against Water:

UCSB Science Line sqtest

The water at the very top of the lake is in direct contact with the cold air, so it freezes first. And because ice is less dense than water, the sheet of ice doesn't sink. If the temperature stays very cold, the sheet of ice gets thicker, but the ice also acts as a barrier, or insulator, between the cold air and the warmer water underneath. The sheet of ice helps the rest of the water from becoming ice!

It seems like a Pokemon with water attributes would have natural defenses against being frozen solid.

Yeah... lakes may be resistant to freezing, but the organisms living in them wouldn't respond well to it. Most water type pokemon look like they would find having the liquid-aspects of their bodies frozen fatal.

 

[Vulcan]

I think Bug should resist rocks because how many times can you lift a rock to find bugs living under it? That says to me bugs resist rock.

Ever tried dropping a rock on a bug? I agree on buffing bug but not against rock. Rock already have a plethora of common weaknesses. I think they should be super effective against fairy's to balance them a bit more and give bug types more of a position in the metagame. I feel like fairy's should be weak to bug because fairy's would be kind of freaked out by them like psychic is.

 

[Derp-Derp2]

I think Bug should resist rocks because how many times can you lift a rock to find bugs living under it? That says to me bugs resist rock.

Ever tried dropping a rock on a bug? I agree on buffing bug but not against rock. Rock already have a plethora of common weaknesses. I think they should be super effective against fairy's to balance them a bit more and give bug types more of a position in the metagame. I feel like fairy's should be weak to bug because fairy's would be kind of freaked out by them like psychic is.

ever tried throwing a rock on a person but scale the rock to be the same size as the person? Don't forget pokemon bugs are the size of people anything can crush a bug from a size point of view.

Ever heard about that big rock that killed the dinosaurs?

 

[Pokémon Spectrum]

I feel like fairy's should be weak to bug because fairy's would be kind of freaked out by them like psychic is.

The only reason that Psychic is weak to Bug is because a fear of bugs is a common phobia. Fairies are generally viewed as being at one with nature in some form of another, which is why they resist Bug: They're used to seeing them everywhere.

 

[Master Weasel]

I feel like fairy's should be weak to bug because fairy's would be kind of freaked out by them like psychic is.

The only reason that Psychic is weak to Bug is because a fear of bugs is a common phobia. Fairies are generally viewed as being at one with nature in some form of another, which is why they resist Bug: They're used to seeing them everywhere.

By that logic, Fairy should resist Grass too. I don't think Fairy resisting Bug is necessary. Bug is now resisted by 7 types, which is pretty ridiculous. It should either be neutral or a weakness to Fairy. And personally, I'm all for Fairy getting one more weakness.

 

[The Outrage]

Yeah... lakes may be resistant to freezing, but the organisms living in them wouldn't respond well to it. Most water type pokemon look like they would find having the liquid-aspects of their bodies frozen fatal.

As we've seen, Pokemon can be fish-based and not water type (Eelektross, Inkay), so I am ascribing attributes of the water molecule to their resistance, not whether you can freeze a fish or not. By that logic, nearly every animal-based Pokemon should be killed by ice types.

When we think of fire Pokemon, we ascribe attributes to them based on fire and heat--it's kind of strange we don't attribute any properties of water to water Pokemon other than the fact it can splash.

And organisms in lakes clearly respond well to freezing temperatures given that lakes don't freeze over.

I think Bug should resist rocks because how many times can you lift a rock to find bugs living under it? That says to me bugs resist rock.

They live in the space between the rock and the ground, just like how we live in the space between concrete. Hardly a resistance to rocks. I'm pretty sure the only reason they're weak to it is because of the idea of squishing a bug, and rocks are heavy.

 

[Derp-Derp2]

I think Bug should resist rocks because how many times can you lift a rock to find bugs living under it? That says to me bugs resist rock.

They live in the space between the rock and the ground, just like how we live in the space between concrete. Hardly a resistance to rocks. I'm pretty sure the only reason they're weak to it is because of the idea of squishing a bug, and rocks are heavy.

and they are not week to steel why? last i heard steel is pretty heavy. A punch from a fighting type would squish a bug ... lots of stuff is heavy but it wouldn't cause it to be super effective. There isnt like any chemical reaction or anything in wildlife like birds eat seeds so flying > grass

 

[Master Mew]

As we've seen, Pokemon can be fish-based and not water type (Eelektross, Inkay), so I am ascribing attributes of the water molecule to their resistance, not whether you can freeze a fish or not. By that logic, nearly every animal-based Pokemon should be killed by ice types.

When we think of fire Pokemon, we ascribe attributes to them based on fire and heat--it's kind of strange we don't attribute any properties of water to water Pokemon other than the fact it can splash.

And organisms in lakes clearly respond well to freezing temperatures given that lakes don't freeze over.

Individual water molecules don't resist freezing, though - only molecules positioned deeper within a lake. And the organisms in the lake are only safe because they're protected by the top layer of the lake, they wouldn't fare so well if directly exposed themselves.

I could understand this if water types all came standard with protective lakes, I guess.

 

[GhostFingers]

I agree 100% that Bug types are underpowered and underused, but I think the biggest thing holding them back is the stunning lack of powerful bug type pokemon (Genesect aside).

Scizor, Mega Scizor, Mega Pinsir, Heracross (at some point).[/QUOTE]
Galvantula, Volcarona, Scolipede, Vespiquen. U-turn, X-Scissor, megahorn. Bugs slowly became more powerful over the years only to be nerfed needlessly.

ice SE against water really DOES make sense to me, but maybe not resist just be neutral from water, since ice will melt in water eventually, but not as quickly as if exposed to heat.

poison SE bug because of pesticides, and any bug that secretes its own venom would be bug/poison like Venomoth. (which takes neutral damage and is still immune to poison condition similar to grass/poison Victreebel)

poison SE to fighting i think would work, since fighting is all about physical strength, and poison weakens physical health significantly. Poison really needs to be more powerful offensively and more volatile defensively. Since many poisons are inflammable fire SE poison might make sense.

Psychic could do with resisting fairy instead of fire, to balance the type chart and also because psychic = mental power which would resist fairy-like trickery. Psychic needs to stay SE to poison because it represents spiritual healing i believe, but also stay neutral to attacks.

rock neutral to bug would also be ok, because of reasons other people have listed.

steel should resist ground, since steel girders are used in skyscrapers to prevent them falling during earthquakes, but steel would need a different weakness intstead to keep balance. Water maybe? Because steel rusts. (Stainless steel is an alloy comprising non-metallic compounds as well)

Ice should resist grass, but grass needs a counterbalance to that and i can't think of any.

Fairy should really resist itself, Flying should resist itself, Ghost should resist itself (since how do ghosts spook each other?) but be weak to electric (some paranormal specialists say that white noise repels poultergeists).Electric does need another weakness, but i don't know what. Rock should resist elec (but not immune) and itself.

Ghost and dark could really just amalgamate into one type that is immune to fighting and psychic but no longer normal. Normal would still be immune to it. I call it 'shadow'.

On a side note, 'bone' moves (bone club, bone rush etc) make more sense to me as rock-type. as rock type they would be NVE to ground (since bones are buried in the earth) or steel (since bones are clearly NOT stronger than metal). Also the effect of throwing a bone at a bird would be pretty much the same as throwing a stone.