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US Christian Groups Supporting Global Warming

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That there's even a huge debate in the US on this is sad, but nonetheless...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4695320.stm

I wonder if this might help turn America around and start to do something about the global warming issue. Of course, the stuff about the group distancing itself at the bottom isn't exactly promising.

Thoughts?

- Trip

EDIT: Sorry for the misleading title, I didn't realize I left off the word "legislation" at the end.
 
What do you want the government to do?
 
A few months ago, Billy Graham wrote in one of his columns (I don't know why I was reading it) that he supported efforts to curb global warming, and actually made it a religious issue (talked about God creating the world and man being the caregivers of the world...or something similar). So this doesn't surprise me. It's a great move. If the largest Christian groups get environmental, then things WILL start to change in the US (at least more than they are now).
 
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What do you want the government to do?
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I didn't say anything about the government doing anything. Right now, many people don't even believe that global warming exists. Getting people out of that mindset is the first step.

- Trip
 
I'd say this goes along with the sterotypical fundie mindset of not caring about anything except trying to control the lives of people who aren't actually hurting anyone.
 
Because global warming "isn't hurting anyone"?

I suppose you believe in those piss-poor studies that claim it doesn't exist, too?
 
The only legit studies are the ones that say America is causing everyone to suffer immensely.
 
Oh, take your nationalist pride and stuff it where the sun doesn't shine, Mozz. You know very well that's NOT what I think, because we've had this debate any number of times.

The studies that blame it all on the US (are there even such studies?) are just as piss-poor as the one that pretend to claim that there is no such thing as global warming. That the Earth is getting warmer is not open to debate (five warmest years since 1900 IIRC : 1998, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005 - and 1998 had El Nino). That the greenhouse effect would cause Earth to get warmer is also something that I have yet to hear convincing argument against, especially considering the fact that the greenhouse effect certainly works on Venus.

The only thing that's open to debate, really, is whether there are other factors at work besides Greenhouse gases, and if so, in what proportion these effects affect the ongoing warming.

Personally, I find the fact that "there is no global warming" studies have any serious strength in only ONE western country rather telling - especially when we're talking about a country that has been known to have strong anti-scientifical undercurrent in other issues *coughIDcough*

(And when I say we, I mean every country - only one country doing something won't accomplish much)
 
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I wish this would but it would have been nice if this happen two or more years ago.

One thing Bush could do is reenter the Kyoto Treaty. We were on the fast track to a cleaner economy in preparation until Bush came in and the corporation began dragging their feet about cleaning up their emitions know they didn't have to worry about Kyoto. If anything, Bush made the economic impact worse when we do have to cut our emisions suddenly instead of gradually.

But the U.S. is making a disproportional amount of CO2 Mozz. All studies point to that. The fact that we are dead last in environmental protection in all the industrialize world should be alarming.

Back to this. The fact is, Bush doesn't care. He won't be relected and has no reason to listen to the American people. His actions since November of '04 should tell you that. If this happen in '04, it would have made a difference.
 
Well, I say woot to this. It's especially cool that Rick Warren is behind this- he's not too far right, so he'll be able to get a bit of support from the Democrats, and I've read some of his writing, and he's an excellent guy when it comes to motivating people. It's nice to see that the Protestants are getting into the game finally.
 
Kyoto is such garbage even Clinton wouldn't do it.
 
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Kyoto is such garbage even Clinton wouldn't do it.
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Maybe Bush should have fixed it instead of taken a dumb on it. Most treaties and the like need refining. However, Bush has made the Kyoto accord the League of Nations of Environmental protection.

Like I said, this won't change a thing. Bush got what he wanted out of the religious people, their votes. Now he wants money and the corporate leaders have the money and the corporate leaders don't want to control pollution because it costs money. I mean, their trying to shove the Clear Skies bullshit down our throats claiming the government doesn't need to watch over the corporations anymore. All I can say is hello pink skies of Gary.

But no one can deny we are changing our climate. Many believe we are accelerating the process into a new ice age by melting the polar caps.
 
Bush has made the Kyoto accord the League of Nations of Environmental protection.
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What? Wait...is Bush Wilson in this analogy? Or is Bush Lodge?
 
I think global warming exists, I just don't know that it's that big of a deal, I just don't think that like the polar ice caps are going to melt and kill us all. I think the earth will adapt to the temperature change.
 
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What? Wait...is Bush Wilson in this analogy? Or is Bush Lodge?
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I mean the fact that the League of Nations failed and Kyoto will eventually fail.
 
The Big Al said:
I mean the fact that the League of Nations failed and Kyoto will eventually fail.
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It already did fail. Pray tell, how well is the EU keeping up its end of the Kyoto bargain?
 
ChaosRocket said:
I think global warming exists, I just don't know that it's that big of a deal, I just don't think that like the polar ice caps are going to melt and kill us all. I think the earth will adapt to the temperature change.
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Just *think* things through, Chaos.

What happens to Ice when temperature gets warmer? It melts.

What's going to happen to Ice on earth if temperature gets warmer? It'll melt.

Probably not ALL the ice, and certainly not enough for a Waterworld-like scenario ("Kill us all") as you say.

But most certainly enough to turn any number of coastal towns in swamps, and make most of the others into easy prey for the next Katrina to drop by (did I mention that higher water temperaure makes big hurricanes more likely?).

This is just plain logic here.
 
Waterworld will NEVER happen. You'd have to slam almost all the comets in the solar system into earth and melt all of Earth's ice in order to get that kind of flooding.

We really need to worry when the north polar ice cap melts. Think of Lake Effect Snow to the extreme. Continental glaciers will reform, reflect away short wave radiation which is not absorbed by CO2 and the world then becomes colder because less heat is transformed into long wave radiation which is held by the atmosphere. We may live to see the beginnings of the first man-made ice age.
 
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