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Vayre's OU Team

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Vayre

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Updated on 16th of May
Please help me rate this team. Comments underneath each pokémon state what it is planned to do, as well as any questions I have about that pokémon.

Planned Eventual Team


Pokemon: Ninjask
Ability: Speed Boost
Nature: Jolly
Item: leftovers
EV’s: 252 HP / 176 Atk / 80 Spe
Moves:
- Substitute
- Swords Dance
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- Baton pass

Lead, designed to power up Tyranitar, I’m looking for a good attack move to discourage common taunt users.

Pokemon: Gengar
Nature: Modest
Item: Choice Specs
EV’s: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Moves:
- Shadow Ball
- Thunderbolt
- Focus Blast
- Pain Split

Absorbs fighting attacks/ special sweeper

Pokemon: Umbreon
Ability:
Nature: Careful
Item: Leftovers
EV’s: 252 HP / 92 SpD / 164 Spe
Moves:
- Wish
- Mean Look
- Toxic
- Pursuit

Walls, passes wishes and if needed, can trap/Toxic something, then wish while its enemy slowly dies.

Pokemon: Tyranitar
Ability: Sand Stream
Nature: Adamant
Item: Expert Belt
EV’s: 160 HP / 252 Atk / 96 Spe
Moves:
- Crunch
- Earthquake
- ThunderPunch
- Fire Punch

In ideal settings this Tyrannitar will have +5 speed modifier from Ninjask, as well as a few sword dances. Due to the ridiculous potential power this is focused on getting as few resisted’s as possible. Movesets to allow me even more Neutral/Super effective attacks would be helpful, as well as comments on this strategy.

So far I’m torn between two movesets:

-The attack moveset above allows Tyranitar to still hit hard if Ninjask cannot boost its attack.
- A defensive EV/Nature set would allow Tyranitar to last longer.

In essence this Tyranitar gets boosted by Ninjask, then goes on a suicide run fuelled by very good speed with possible attack boosts.

Pokemon: Breloom
Ability: Poison heal
Nature: Adamant
Item: Toxic Orb
EV’s: 48 HP / 252 Atk / 208 Spe
Moves:
- Spore
- Focus punch
- Subtitute
- Stone Edge

Ideally Umbreon traps something, then Wishswitches into Breloom, who puts it to sleep, and focus punches it. If Umbreon is KOed breloom can force a switch with Spore and hit the Pokémon switching in. Toxic Orb + Poison heal provide a nice health regen.

Pokemon: Togekiss
Ability: Serene Grace
Nature: Modest
Item: Lum Berry
EV’s: 252 HP / 152 SpA / 104 Spe
Moves:
- Roost
- Nasty Plot
- Air Slash
- Aura Sphere

Togekiss works as a Special Tank/Special Sweeper.

Currently I’m wondering if I should change it to a defensive nature/Ev set, as after a few nasty plots the superior Special Attack will be moot anyway, as its lowest possible special attack would be boosted to 1488 anyway.

So summarise, my main questions are:

-General Rating
- Togekiss’s Nature/EV set
-Tyranitar moveset/general rating/Nature and EV set
- Attack for ninjask
 
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Put Crunch on Luke because you need that for the Ghosts otherwise someone can bring in a Gengar and your whole moveset is fucked.

Also add Swampert in there to have something to take hits for Arcanine and something that can set up Stealth Rock. Um and seeing as you have all physical sweepers you could use Latias as a Special Sweeper...it has a lot of variety and it's very destructive.
 
I'd replace forretress' gyro ball with stealth rock.
For your other 2 slots Id reccomend tentacruel to set up toxic spikes and maybe a nasty plot togekiss
 
Whirlwind still goes last even with a choice scarf. Cross Poison is better than poison fang.

If you want to shuffle, get rid of Crobat and put in a rest talking Aerodactyl with Rest, Sleep Talk, Roar and Whirlwind. Very gimmicky, but if you have rocks and spikes up, it can work.
 
Dexington said:
Whirlwind still goes last even with a choice scarf. Cross Poison is better than poison fang.

If you want to shuffle, get rid of Crobat and put in a rest talking Aerodactyl with Rest, Sleep Talk, Roar and Whirlwind. Very gimmicky, but if you have rocks and spikes up, it can work.
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Why Aero if you can get Skarm who can set up, heal and pHaze while taking hard hits?
 
coolking503 said:
and hippodon, and swampert, and suicune, all roar well.
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all together??? No
Swampert and Hippowdon on one team is good
but adding Suicune? Why would you want to do that? If you're building a defensive team adding Suicune would ruin the whole thing.
 
badalcristiano said:
all together??? No
Swampert and Hippowdon on one team is good
but adding Suicune? Why would you want to do that? If you're building a defensive team adding Suicune would ruin the whole thing.
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Adding Suicune would give the team another Grass weakness. And badal, why would adding Suicune to a defensive team be a bad idea when it can already be played defensively?
 
ya but You know, like you said it added a grass weakness
and its a better Special Attacker and it would be well suited for this team or a Pory-Z though Suicune on a wall doesn't necessarily work out for me
 
OP has been updates with my new team, rather than make a new topic for it.
 
Pain split is a better option for gengar's recovery.

umbreon's evs should be 252 HP / 92 SpD / 164 Spe
tyranitar should be jolly when sarfed

I'll do a more in depth rate later, but those are the obvious changes.
 
Ok, seems like good ideas, what do you think about x scissor as Scizors attacking move?
 
Taunt is another option over Pursuit or Wish on that Umbreon. It keeps the opponent from just setting up as you try to pass to a counter. Not a necessary change, just something to keep in mind should that become a problem in testing.
 
on scizor, bullet punch is a much better attack than bug bite due to priority, since scizor is slow. If you decide to baron pass agility instead bug bite may work, however.
Also, on breloom, substitute may be better than seed bomb due to reliability of focus punch.
 
Not sure, if an attack hits a substitute does it interupt focus punch? Because if it does then Focus Punch should become harder to use unless the game isn't using sleep clause if Umbreon gets knocked out and I can't trap enemies, seed bomb is for use if that happens.
 
if a sub is hit focus punch is stil uninterupted, which is why that combo is commonly used. Also, SE seed bomb is only slighly stronger than a nuetral focus punch, but SE stone edge is stronger than a resisted focus punch by quite a bit.
 
Scizor having Bullet Punch is much better than Bug Bite. Stab + Priority is the reason why it is used so much.

I like running the Subsitite+Focus Punch set on Breloom. And no, you still hit the other Pokie with Focus Punch if your sub breaks.
 
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