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VG Weekly Poll #2: Did you agree with N's ideals?

Did you agree with N's ideals?

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Welcome to the second installment in the Video Games Forum's new weekly series of polls!

Centered around the Pokemon series of video games, these polls will be based on the various different aspects of the popular video game franchise. Every Friday, a Video Games staff member will post a new poll that'll remained stickied up on top of the forum. Suggestions for polls and questions can be sent to Life Alert, and they could possibly used for new polls (credit will be given, of course).

With that out of the way, here is the poll: Did you agree with N's ideals? Did you feel he was doing the right thing in liberating Pokemon; that he had good intentions, but was misguided; or that he was totally wrong in what he was trying to do?

(credit to Joshawott for the poll)

Past Polls of the Week

1) http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f323/vg-weekly-poll-1-black-white-step-right-direction-115729/

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His heart was in the right place, but he took them to the extreme, and since he's never contacted his own kind because he was raised by Pokemon, it led to his hatred on the human race for using Pokemon.
 
I think he was simply misguided. Even though he was way wrong for trying to liberate pokemon, you can't help but feel for the guy.
 
He is compelling, but difficult to agree with for being just a bit too extremist. And even he realizes he was wrong in the end.
N was an anti-villain and a tragic example of how dangerous innocence is, so that one girl put it.

Purposely misled by Ghetsis to believing humans abused their Pokémon, he really believed the only way to stop it is to separate them. As he (and we) later learn, he never would've gotten his wish anyway, as his father had darker motives.
 
N had good intentions, but in the end, he was simply used as a tool by his own father.

Though, I would think that he'd have to be seriously brainwashed in order to believe that all trainers were PKMN abusers. And even then, if I remember correctly, he found Hilbert/Hilda to be a person with good intentions. So there was still a part of him that was uncorrupted.
 
He was wrong. I find it difficult to agree with him when all the previous games have drilled the belief that Pokemon and Humans are friends into me.

Some people use the Stolkholm Syndrome arguement to explain the affection Trainer's Pokemon have for their trainers(or captors) but the thought that every single Pokemon caught by Trainers has that Syndrome is ridiculous.

All the games have repeatedly said that both poeple and Pokemon grow and learn from each other.
 
He was wrong. Pokemon are meant to be tools for trainers. You use them for whatever you want. 'Nuff said.
 
Uh, no, Baron. ._. Pokemon are meant to be your PARTNERS/FRIENDS. Using Pokemon as "tools"...isn't that why we stopped Team Rocket. What you said only helped prove N's point even more.

Now, in this world, indeed, you do whatever you wish with your Pokemon. But in-game, in-story, it's clear that humans and Pokemon work together. Like we've seen in the anime, another side of the Pokemon world, if a Pokemon wishes to pursue another career (ping pong Ambipom anyone?), any decent trainer would allow them to do what they wished. Only douches like Silver or Paul would be mean to their Pokemon and possibly force them to do stuff against their wishes.

I was prepared to say that N was misguided, but what Baron just said makes me feel a little annoyed, and more inclined to think he might be right in some ways. Over a video game, I know...but...but man. How can you say something like that? D8; People like that have no business training Pokemon if they only see them as tools to do whatever they wish with. They're not tools or anything like that; they're supposed to be your friends, randomly-generated pieces of data or not. ._.

Ah...man. N may be right about some people. >> But overall, he was indeed misguided. Well as his intentions were, he should have thought more carefully before trying to forcefully separate humans and Pokemon.
 
considering N was brainwashed into thinking these things by Ghetsis, I think we can immediately assume N's "ideals" were only ploys to get Ghetsis further towards his goal (Although N didn't know, clearly).

as for the ideals themselves? No. The relationship between trainers and Pokemon is long established, and it's a working solution. Releasing all of the overleveled Pokemon trainers carry would only create havoc into the Ecosystem already established. Imagine, if you will, a Group of Ninetails spreading drought throughout Unova. A Group of Politoed, flooding populated areas, creating Mudslides and Floods.

Trainer's Pokemon are significantly stronger than wild. if they were to be released, hell would break loose.
 
I kinda think that N had the right ideas, but he was brought up in a twisted reality. So yeah, I would agree if Unova was as he percieved, but given the status of the real Unova, nope.
 
N's ideology was understandable, but the way he executed his ideas was pretty bad. His ideas do make sense in the reality he was forced into, though, and N wasn't truly evil.
 
N honestly thought that what he was doing was right. I honestly thought that N was batshit insane, but his innocence and messed up childhood, made him think what he was doing would help, not knowing the consequences. That's why I voted that he good intentions, but was misguided.
 
Yes, he had some valid points.

However, punishing everyone for the misdeeds of a small number of people never usually works out very well. >_>
 
Yay my idea was used *jumps up and down like an excited little girl"

Anyways, I'll be honest, when I was playing through Pokémon White, I found myself agreeing with N's ideals. This was also helped by Cheren and Alder's opinions being so typical of a Pokémon series - "Pokémon are friends gurdurr!". Obviously, N did take the ideals a bit far with the whole Team Plasma thing, but his ideals by themselves were justified - it was something we fans had joked about for a decade and a half before.

N is without a doubt, Pokémon's best antagonist.
 
He makes some good points and his ideas would easily apply to the real world,but ironically not to his own. Basically he lives in a world where people first injure,then capture Pokemon. Then they mostly either breed them hundreds of times, imidiately trade them away,place them in a PC box to never ever look at them,stuff them with steroids or poffins or,worst,send them into cock fights. The term HM slave sums it all up. To conclude if this were real animals,he would be the voice of morale and sanity,but in his own world,he was completely wrong.
 
He had good intentions, but he was misguided. He's trying to keep his friends from being put in what are essentially cockfights and forced to mangle each other, which is a very good thing to devote your life to. Thing is, from everything we've been told, that's not how it works. The Pokemon are okay with everything, they fight willingly, and there's no permanent damage done unless something has gone very wrong. His sudden separation of the Pokemon and the humans would have done more damage to both worlds than thousands of battles.

Basically, the theory was reasonable; the methods used to attempt correction were not.
 
I can see that his intentions are good. He's more sincere than anything on earth - just pure. It's just that Ghetis raised him in a rather wrong way.
 
I actually think he was doing the right thing, he just didn't realize what the consequences were.

Removing Pokemon from the possession of humans when entertainment and economy are all based around that? BAD, bad news. So I'd have sided with him, if not for the fact he was fixing the situation too quickly.
 
I agree with N to a certain extent -- he was right in that pokemon ought to have the choice whether or not to be with a trainer (which they didn't have in the games), but he was wrong to force them to leave their trainer.
 
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