We should have about 600 total Pokemon with this generation

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DP added about 107 new Pokemon to bring it to 493 on top of the 386 that R/S totaled.

107 more would bring us to 600. Considering 100 Pokemon is the bare minimum they would give as new ones, add 7 or so more to that and we get 600.

How GameFreak expects little kids to fill a 600 Pokemon Pokedex is beyond me, but as the series continues its to be expected.
 
I do want a round number again, I will say that.

The dream, though, is 150 new ones, THAT'S the entire new regional Dex, and add 7 more to bring the national dex up to 650.
 
Dear Arceus.

As if nigh on 500 wasn't monotonous enough to catch/breed/even just see...
 
Hehe. My poor little sister already has trouble recognising every pokémon.
 
They had 493 total in Gen IV so that there would be less speculation about the three event-exclusive pokemon of Gen IV (in other words, so that Darkrai, Shaymin, and Arceus would be kept more of a secret.) If there was a grand total of 600 pokemon, and if there are 3 that aren't revealed immediately, then there would be more people figuring out that there are three more pokemon to make the total 600 before Nintendo/Pokemon Company/Game Freak wants them to be revealed.
 
Just a thought...

Remember the days when all the original Pokémon (save Mew) could fit into a PokéRap?

Now imagine how insanely long a Gen IV National Dex PokéRap would be.
 
I've been considering making a thread about G5 Pokemon, but will so many existing it will probably be pointless.

Anyway, yes, we will have AT LEAST 600 Pokemon next generation.
However, with current trends that's not nearly enough, I think at least 150 new Pokemon would be much better.

There are plenty of reasons, but there need to be more unique type combinations, and certain types outnumber others to an outrageous degree.

As I'm a lover of the Electric and Dark types, we need to see much more of them (and battle usable ones might I add), but Fire Ice and a myraid of other types also need to see some love.

DP debuted only 2 new non legendary fire Pokemon* and only 5 electric types.
Those are horrible odds, lots of species diversity for each type should exist in everty new set of Pokemon.

For example, at least 6-7 fully battle usable[meaning fully evolved at the time] Pokemon in every type with every new set of Pokemon
6x12=102
Now that's at least 107 Pokemon right there, not including any pre evolved forms.

Lets say that half of those Pokemon can have one pre-evolution, that's another 51.
Lets also say half (we'll call half 50) are also evolved into, that's 25.

102+51+25=178

178 new Pokemon

I know that's a large number, but something in the 140-170 range is technically feasible, and it's easily doable.
I should not have to use "old" Pokemon to build a type based team every time a new game is released.

More dragons would be great, but I'm unconcerned; they're a psuedo legendary type anyway.
*discounting unevolved pokemon

While I do acknowledge that the region has an affect on what kinds of pokemon are introduced, should it?
Pokemon can be obtained through a plethora of ways besides directly catching, side games, in game eggs, and trades, etc etc.

Shinou is cold, but 3 new fire pokemon?
Really?

By the way, I'm not math wiz, so feel free to correct anything that appears wrong.
 
I would love a round number again. or 601 for old times sake, which would add 108 new pokemon. As long as there aren't too many legendaries this generation that would be fine. I figure those 7 or 8 could be all the legendaries we need, and that would give us 100 new non legendaries. For legendaries, give us like a trio, a pair or other trio that would act as version mascots, a base 100 and an event uber. That comes out to 7 or 8, and I really hope we don't get so many legendaries cause it just gets annoying.

The games haven't focused on catching them all since like the second generation, it's kinda just a side thing now along with like battle frontiers and contests and everything. I'm game to catch 600 pokemon.
 
Yeah, with the new games I'm going to want to use teams of new pokemon, so having type coverage is necessary. Does water really need that many new pokemon, not really. Are they going to get more than any other type bar normal, most likely. There needs to be a better equilibrium between balanced type coverage and habitats that fit the different types.
 
If the new Pokemon are interesting ones and are fun to use, I don't mind the number, be it 600 or 650 or whatever.
 
d.aisuke said:
I should not have to use "old" Pokemon to build a type based team every time a new game is released.
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THANK YOU.

d.aisuke said:
Pokemon can be obtained through a plethora of ways besides directly catching, side games, in game eggs, and trades, etc etc.
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Have there been any "You only get it through in-game trade" pokemon since Gen. I?

And don't suggest side games. I'm currently considering renting one of the Pokemon Ranger games just to get Manaphy, and it's making me feel dirty.


d.aisuke said:
Shinou is cold, but 3 new fire pokemon?
Really?
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I agree with you completely, but I think here's the thing: it's not so much region as it is location in the game. Traditionally, types have been fairly location specific (examples include bugs in a Forest, electric in a man-made location, fire in mountain or volcano). Over the years, GF has broken this pattern, but the fire-type one has stayed fairly true, and so far the only fire-type to appear consistently in the field is Ponyta (which I'm sick of, at least until they give it a fucking pegasus evolution, but then do we really need another fire/flying?).

Stark Mountain would've provided the perfect opportunity to introduce new fire-types, but as players get there only after they've gotten the national dex (by the way, making sure there's a way to see every pokemon in the game was inspired), there's more incentive to use it as an opportunity to get a bunch of the fire-types players couldn't get earlier in the game.

The real question, which is really the one you already asked, is THEY HAD FUEGO IRONWORKS READY TO GO AND DID JACK-ALL WITH IT. THEY ARE WORKING WITH MOLTEN METALS. IT WAS THE PERFECT OPPORTUNITY.



And they need to cut back on the legendaries.

Azelf
Mesprit
Uxie
Dialga
Palkia
Giratina
Manaphy
Phione
Heatran
Regigigas
Cresselia
Shaymin
Arceus
Darkrai

I typed those out just to give myself a count, fully intending to delete them, but I think I'm going to leave them there. 14 is too much for one game. Especially with 4 that you can't get in-game (5, counting Phione, 6 counting Regigigas).
 
d.aisuke said:
For example, at least 6-7 fully battle usable[meaning fully evolved at the time] Pokemon in every type with every new set of Pokemon
6x12=102
Now that's at least 107 Pokemon right there, not including any pre evolved forms.

Lets say that half of those Pokemon can have one pre-evolution, that's another 51.
Lets also say half (we'll call half 50) are also evolved into, that's 25.

102+51+25=178

178 new Pokemon[/I]
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I wanna go off of your math, but make some changes.
17 Playable Types
5 fully battle ready (minimum for all types.)
17*5=85 Fully Battle ready pokemon
add another 3 for some types (most underused, those that need more pokemon. I counted 9) as a minimum.
3*9=27
27+85=112

112 fully evolved, non-legendary pokemon.

half of them have 1 pre-evolution
66

half of them have a mid-line evolution
33

112+33+66=211

211 fully evolved pokemon including their evolutionary line.

Legendaries.
Legendary Trio = 3
Legendary Duo = 2
Single Legendary = 1 (like Celebi and Arceus)
Optional: Non-related Legendary Pokemon (follows the myth but don't fit into a single group) = 2-4

Legendaries total 6-10 (counting 4 non-related legendary pokemon)

211+6(10)= 217(221)

217 to 221 total new pokemon at this point.

Now bear with me, this bit is a bit weird. Take the number of pokemon added for each generation, and divide it by the generation number, which is again divided again to get a single digit. X=number of pokemon, G=generation it came from, Y=calculated value, @=rounded by adding all digits together repeatedly until a single digit is produced. Formula: (XXX*G)/100=Y@ NOTE: The final value will be additional random novelty pokemon addded to Gen 5, and as such, will not be counted in the below equations, or become part of the Gen 5 Variables.

Gen 1: (151*1)/100=1.51@=1+5+1=7
Gen 2: (251*2)/100=5.02@=5+0+2=7
Gen 3: (386*3)/100=11.58@=1+1+5+8=15@=1+5=6
Gen 4: (493*4)/100=19.72@=1+9+7+2=19@=1+9=10@=1+0=1
Gen 5 (no optional legendaries): (710*5)/100=33.5@=3+3+5=11@=1+1=2
Gen 5 (plus maximum optional legendaries): (714*8)/100=35.7@=3+5+7=15@=1+5=6

Equation answers added together for Gen 5 Novelty pokemon
7+7+6+1+2=23+710=733 Total Pokemon with the introduction of Generation 5 (240 introduced in Gen 5)
7+7+6+1+6=27+710=737 Total pokemon with the introduction of Generation 5 (244 introduced in Gen 5 with the total of random legendaries)

Now I know that this is a large number. And much of those variables are at my own discretion. But all in all, any number of new pokemon between 240 or 244 and 148 (Took d.aisuke's number and subtracted 30.) would be reasonable.
 
600 might be a bit low. I don't know, maybe that's perfect, but it seems low. I always love seeing new pokemon and I'd like the new region to be full of them, mostly to overshadow the staple com-mons.
 
Sometimes I just feel like it would be great if they would have a generation where no current pokemon are able to be caught. Give us 150 or 200 new ones. Just feel like it would be refreshing. Wouldn't happen, but being able to only make up a team of new pokemon would be fun.
 
NEVER. AGAIN.

We got that with Gen III, missing 184 of the old 251. DO NOT TEMPT THE FATES. I DO NOT WANT ANOTHER HOENN.
 
GreatLiver said:
Sometimes I just feel like it would be great if they would have a generation where no current pokemon are able to be caught. Give us 150 or 200 new ones. Just feel like it would be refreshing. Wouldn't happen, but being able to only make up a team of new pokemon would be fun.
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I hated Gen 3.
 
Then, Generation 6 finally hits the 666 mark, and the Creepy priests who called Pokemon satanic in the G1 days who keep tabs on the series to this date will rise from the dead and rant some more about pokemanz on their cheap church telecasts. Bye-Bye, GameFreak! It was a nice 16 years or so! (Counting the Potential year of G6's release)
 
Mr. PBJ said:
Then, Generation 6 finally hits the 666 mark, and the Creepy priests who called Pokemon satanic in the G1 days who keep tabs on the series to this date will rise from the dead and rant some more about pokemanz on their cheap church telecasts. Bye-Bye, GameFreak! It was a nice 16 years or so! (Counting the Potential year of G6's release)
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Gen 6 will go past 666. We only need 173 more to hit that mark. That's less than 100 per generation if you split that between Gen 5 and 6. We've had a minimum of 100 every Gen. Gen 5 though, given 173 like I already said in this thread, would reach that 666.
 
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