what next after team flare?

[GaryOak123]

it felt to me like there were no ideas with team flare so they had just come up with something and in my opinion they weren't very good, the whole focus should of been on mega evolution and how it came about and why only some pokemon can

 

[Cosmic Gerbil]

I kind of agree dude cus after N's storyline in Black and White and the sequel, it did feel like team Flare just weren't developed enough. Though, I did like team Flare loads, loads more than Mega Evolutions though and would even like a whole spin off game about them cus

(Spoiler for people who haven't played X and Y yet).

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Lysandre is just so hot

I did want Mega-Eevee and the Eeveelutions though \m/

 

[Lysson]

You've won my heart Cosmic.
Hmmm I think you missed the whole goal of Team Flare xD They're my favorite because I actually understand their point. Here we go!
Spoilers below for anyone who hasn't completed Pokemon X and Y as it is a summary of Team Flare and its leader's goals:

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Lysandre sees how horrible people are, and when people are most horrible they make everything ugly, thus war is ugly to him. As Lysandre believes the more people and Pokemon there are the less resources there are and the more greedy people will become and resulting in more wars to make everything ugly. Now people only see the surface meaning of what the means by 'ugly' I believe it is a metaphor as well as evil is ugly.

What Lysandre wants to do to the world using the ultimate weapon is to STOP future wars but drastically cutting down on the world's population so there will be loads of resources for everyone. Why just for Team Flare? Because everyone in Team Flare think the same and are the same so can't fight over differences either. As Lysandre is a descendant of royalty he feels it is his destiny to stop future wars in any means possible. And he actually hates what he has to do which is WHY he wanted you to chose the button to see if it is his destiny to carry out his deed or yours to stop him, of course butt face scientist ruined everything.

If you have ever read all of Lysandre's diary it pretty much sums everything up and is why he is my favourite.

You need to also remember the producers made Team Flare look stupid and act stupid to actually cover up their deeper and darker meaning. They're also not dead as may people believe, but I believe some were seriously injured as a grunt in Kiloude City survived the whole things and lives to tell the tale of what happened.

Just saying anything Team Flare related just ask me, I know everything.

 

[GaryOak123]

i just felt like it had nothing to do with pokemon

 

[Lysson]

i just felt like it had nothing to do with pokemon

Woops I missed that part out!
As for Pokemon Lysandre was saddened that Pokemon were always dragged into wars (this links to AZ's story) and so wanted to save them... but by the logic that if they don't exist they can't be abused which is why he cried as it was something that he hated as he wanted to save them not harm them but to him he had no other choice. Think of Team Flare as PETA (who mess up saving animals) and Team Plasma as being animal rights campaigners (usually don't mess up saving animals as much as PETA)

 

[Cosmic Gerbil]

I hated it when Lysandre cried; that was so sad I feld bad for N too cos it was like, he cared about Pokemon so much but at the end of the games, he didn't seem to have made things better for them much (I hate it when the NPC trainers call their Pokemon "it" too, as if they are objects!

I wonder what N would think of Mega evolution?

 

[Osprey]

i just felt like it had nothing to do with pokemon

Think of Team Flare as PETA (who mess up saving animals) and Team Plasma as being animal rights campaigners (usually don't mess up saving animals as much as PETA)

Uh... I always thought of it a bit differently... Team Plasma's most notable quirk, Pokemon "liberation", is pretty much a parody of the PETA. Heck, until Ex-Team Plasma became a thing, they messed up liberation just as bad as the PETA. The PETA has some fairly ludicrous views on humanity's relationship to animals- such as never killing a living creature or never keep dogs on leashes- and have equally ludicrous ways of advertising that (see their soft porn site...). Team Flare didn't really match up to that.

The team as a whole reminded me more of a doomsday cult, with the high price it takes to join and the fact that they'd be the only ones left alive. Lysandre himself is more complex than his grunts, of course... He's looking to solve all the world's problems by wiping everything out. I almost understand what he was thinking, because I've thought of the same thing long before XY ever came out. The world is overpopulated, polluted, full of evil and corruption, and seems unredeemable. Better to end it quickly than for it to all go down in war and slow starvation, right? Kind of like the Noah's Ark story, in a way.

 

[Lysson]

i just felt like it had nothing to do with pokemon

Think of Team Flare as PETA (who mess up saving animals) and Team Plasma as being animal rights campaigners (usually don't mess up saving animals as much as PETA)

Uh... I always thought of it a bit differently... Team Plasma's most notable quirk, Pokemon "liberation", is pretty much a parody of the PETA. Heck, until Ex-Team Plasma became a thing, they messed up liberation just as bad as the PETA. The PETA has some fairly ludicrous views on humanity's relationship to animals- such as never killing a living creature or never keep dogs on leashes- and have equally ludicrous ways of advertising that (see their soft porn site...). Team Flare didn't really match up to that.

The team as a whole reminded me more of a doomsday cult, with the high price it takes to join and the fact that they'd be the only ones left alive. Lysandre himself is more complex than his grunts, of course... He's looking to solve all the world's problems by wiping everything out. I almost understand what he was thinking, because I've thought of the same thing long before XY ever came out. The world is overpopulated, polluted, full of evil and corruption, and seems unredeemable. Better to end it quickly than for it to all go down in war and slow starvation, right? Kind of like the Noah's Ark story, in a way.

I had no idea PETA was that much of an abomination. As I live in Britain we don't have PETA here I've only heard of some of the things they do. That's sick and I feel stupid for comparing Team Flare to them in any shape or form. I think I compared them in terms of 'One extreme to another'. Of course with me I can only ever form opinions over the information that I know, since I was misinformed about that I made a stupid comparison.

But the Doomsday cult is actually something I hadn't thought of and actually hits the nail on the head. In the long run Team Flare basically just wanted to speed up the world's demise from being slow and painful to being quick and un-knowing as the world at the moment seems to be very sanctity of life over quality of life and Team Flare can actually reach some touchy subjects in that reason and is why Team Flare has got many people's backs up as it's a Team that if you know what they're talking about you will have a strong opinion about.

 

[Osprey]

i just felt like it had nothing to do with pokemon

Think of Team Flare as PETA (who mess up saving animals) and Team Plasma as being animal rights campaigners (usually don't mess up saving animals as much as PETA)

Uh... I always thought of it a bit differently... Team Plasma's most notable quirk, Pokemon "liberation", is pretty much a parody of the PETA. Heck, until Ex-Team Plasma became a thing, they messed up liberation just as bad as the PETA. The PETA has some fairly ludicrous views on humanity's relationship to animals- such as never killing a living creature or never keep dogs on leashes- and have equally ludicrous ways of advertising that (see their soft porn site...). Team Flare didn't really match up to that.

The team as a whole reminded me more of a doomsday cult, with the high price it takes to join and the fact that they'd be the only ones left alive. Lysandre himself is more complex than his grunts, of course... He's looking to solve all the world's problems by wiping everything out. I almost understand what he was thinking, because I've thought of the same thing long before XY ever came out. The world is overpopulated, polluted, full of evil and corruption, and seems unredeemable. Better to end it quickly than for it to all go down in war and slow starvation, right? Kind of like the Noah's Ark story, in a way.

I had no idea PETA was that much of an abomination. As I live in Britain we don't have PETA here I've only heard of some of the things they do. That's sick and I feel stupid for comparing Team Flare to them in any shape or form. I think I compared them in terms of 'One extreme to another'. Of course with me I can only ever form opinions over the information that I know, since I was misinformed about that I made a stupid comparison.

But the Doomsday cult is actually something I hadn't thought of and actually hits the nail on the head. In the long run Team Flare basically just wanted to speed up the world's demise from being slow and painful to being quick and un-knowing as the world at the moment seems to be very sanctity of life over quality of life and Team Flare can actually reach some touchy subjects in that reason and is why Team Flare has got many people's backs up as it's a Team that if you know what they're talking about you will have a strong opinion about.

About Team Flare's doomsday thing. A few months before XY came out, I'd read an interesting book by Dan Brown (y'know the guy who wrote the DaVinci Code) called Inferno. You might wanna read it to see what I mean, but the main conflict is:

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a very rich person wanted to help the world. He saw it was hopeless to try to save everyone, that overpopulation would be the end of the world. He created a virus- "Inferno"- that would be used to slice down the world's population, and save the world from itself. Main character tries to prevent virus from being unleashed.

Everything Team Flare stands for is kind of summarized there (other than their style fetish), and even their name is related to "Inferno", or fire. Oh, and both XY and Inferno were published in the same year. All the odd similarities were very hard to ignore.

 

[Left_4_TF2]

When I look at Lysandre and the team he rules over, I just can't help but think that the two are completely separate from each other, especially since Lysandre strikes me as the Ra's Al Ghul (read: intelligent and competent leader) of the Pokemon universe, while Team Flare (the team he leads) seems more like a bumbling, incompetent, and silly version of the League of Shadows organization with Johnny Bravo hairstyles and costumes.

 

[Team Gaara]

When I look at Lysandre and the team he rules over, I just can't help but think that the two are completely separate from each other, especially since Lysandre strikes me as the Ra's Al Ghul (read: intelligent and competent leader) of the Pokemon universe, while Team Flare (the team he leads) seems more like a bumbling, incompetent, and silly version of the League of Shadows organization with Johnny Bravo hairstyles and costumes.

The same can pretty much be said for all of the teams and Leaders to some extent. It's highly obvious with Galactic that while the Grunts were more organized and what not, many of them were oblivious as to what exactly Cyrus was trying to do. Same for both Team Plasma and Neo-Team Plasma, who also show a good deal of incompetence among the grunts who didn't know Ghetsis' true intentions. I'm not sure if anyone in Kanto Team Rocket truly knew what Giovanni "wanted". Only in Johto were they all aware of the goal since they all wanted to revive the team. As for Aqua and Magma, while it seemed as if the grunts and the Leaders were more on the same page, a lot of the grunts seemed to just know the basics of the plan and had more of a "we're better than the other team" mentality.

I think it just seemed more pronounced with Team Flare since many of the grunts seemed more persistent about the flair of Team Flare due to the obvious wordplay, in addition to many of them being typical, incompetent grunts that don't really know what the Leader's goal is.

 

[Alolan Coconut]

I actually liked Team Flare's objectives to be honest. In a way how I like to see the villains in a Pokemon game that is.
Dookieshed's (youtuber) video about the top ten things about X and Y pretty much sums up the things that I liked about Team Flare:
1. Everybody sucks.
2. They should die.

No impossible missions like expanding the land or the sea, freezing regions or trying to recreate the universe. Just plain, simple and, in an obscure way, realistic.

The only thing I did find sad was Malva's role. They could have made her soooo much more important.

 

[Norzan]

I get what they were trying to do - a team of people that look like idiots and dress flashy to try to fool people into thinking they are not a threat but in fact they want to activate a 3000 year old machine to greatly reduce the human population because they think that the humans and their greed are pretty much responsible for all the crap that happens in the world, i just wished they were more developed throughout the story and i agree when people say that way too much plot happens in a small period of time, they should have instead used some of that plot during those big gaps when nothing happens except you defeating gym leaders.

Now about what's next for Team Flare, if they make a sequel (and if Lysandre is dead which i don't think it is) it would be awesome if Malva was the Team Leader AND the Kalos Champion instead of Diantha, yeah an evil Champion. If it's a third version i hope they fix some issues the story has like what they did with Emerald and Platinum.

 

[Ellron]

As for Aqua and Magma, while it seemed as if the grunts and the Leaders were more on the same page, a lot of the grunts seemed to just know the basics of the plan and had more of a "we're better than the other team" mentality.

Isn't that actually pretty realistic? I mean come on, what kind of leader with any common sense is going to tell everything to every single new recruit? That's just a bad idea. You keep your plans held close--no one but yourself and a few of your closest people will know the details.

 

[Cosmic Gerbil]

(Do not let me think, it's dangerous. Send me kittens to occupy my mind with instead).

Ahem

I've been thinking about what coulda happened to Team Flare and I came up with 3 ideas.

1: Lysandre escapes and runs off into the wild to think things over/makes more plans.

2: What with Diancie coming out at some point, maybe there's gonna be a sequel to X and Y and Diancie will be in it and Lysandre will try to capture him/her. (I thought this up cus Diancie is meant to be the most beautiful Pokemon and Lysandre likes beautiful things).

3: Um, I know that there's that huffing great hole in Geosenge Town at the end but I don't reckon the whole of the Team Flare Secret Base got flattened cos the entrance was up by the big stone to the left. So maybe if Lysandre and some of the Team Flare grunts are still underground but not squashed, I had this idea that Lysandre thinks (about destoying the world), "Sod that for a game of marbles, it's much better down here" and decided to make his perfect world underground, with his loyal Team Flare members. Sorta imagine that they dig out more caves and stuff to live in and they can start up their own civilization. Then everyone in the Pokemon world is left in peace, while Lysandre and the rest of Team Flare have got their own world beneath Geosenge Town.

(Disclaimer, I wasn't stoned when I thought up any of this).

 

[Lysson]

I just played the part where the ultimate weapon backfires on itself and I can say this after something I missed and looked through Youtube videos to confirm.

Lysandre and Team Flare are not dead. I have so much damn evidence I could write a book on it. I'll leave you with what I saw, when the ultimate weapon destroyed itself you can see a bunch of dust, I'm sure at some points I could see people and if you look at the entrance to the secret base it isn't flattened, a rock looks to be blocking the entrence but it is actually the angle the camera is at. There is a great big opening there!

Put this with the fact there are many closed doors in the base (only 1 open that leads down) and there is a surviving grunt in Kiloude City who said about what happened, he didn't mention anything dieing.

Now what will happen in the next game? I certainly do not think Lysandre will be the Team leader again, I think it will be Malva. I have no idea what their goal will be, maybe the same and maybe Lysandre will fight against it since he's realized he's wrong. As I played this time though Y for the story I gathered as much as I could (I swear Lysandre and AZ are the only characters with development, maybe Emma too)

 

[Norzan]

I just played the part where the ultimate weapon backfires on itself and I can say this after something I missed and looked through Youtube videos to confirm.

Lysandre and Team Flare are not dead. I have so much damn evidence I could write a book on it. I'll leave you with what I saw, when the ultimate weapon destroyed itself you can see a bunch of dust, I'm sure at some points I could see people and if you look at the entrance to the secret base it isn't flattened, a rock looks to be blocking the entrence but it is actually the angle the camera is at. There is a great big opening there!

Put this with the fact there are many closed doors in the base (only 1 open that leads down) and there is a surviving grunt in Kiloude City who said about what happened, he didn't mention anything dieing.

Now what will happen in the next game? I certainly do not think Lysandre will be the Team leader again, I think it will be Malva. I have no idea what their goal will be, maybe the same and maybe Lysandre will fight against it since he's realized he's wrong. As I played this time though Y for the story I gathered as much as I could (I swear Lysandre and AZ are the only characters with development, maybe Emma too)

Emma and Looker are easily the two characters with the most developoment and they are part of a post-game sidequest which completely confuses me, it's like they put more effort in the Looker sidequest than the main game story.

 

[Lysson]

@Norzan; Yeah I forgot about that but yes they seem to have a load of character development. Lysandre does as well as all the NPCs seem to be able to talk about is Lysandre and what a great guy he is. Which solidifies my theory that if he is alive he certainly won't be the Team leader.
And the post game seemed to be the only story based part of the game -.- but it did make me finally like Looker!

 

[Cosmic Gerbil]

If they make a sequel to X and Y, I aint playing it unless Lysandre is in it. I was gutted when I played Gold and Team Rocket were all like "We must find Giovanni" and you don't flipping find him. I reckon there's a good chance of him coming back though cos N and Ghetsis came back in the B&W sequel. Hopefully as a good guy cos I don't wanna fight him.

 

[Bironicus]

I played Pokemon X and I've looked on the internet and it turns out (I don't know whether you already knew this) depending on what version you play, what Lysandre says before he sets off the ultimate weapon is different in each version.

In X, he says "Let us live forever... That's right! I shall grant you eternal life! I'll give you the pain of endlessly waiting for a beautiful world to finally be built!"
In Y, he says "The ultimate weapon is a flower that bloomed to no avail... Just like me... But this ends here! I will show what its remaining power can do!"

This makes me question, what would be worse? Death or eternal life? But that's a philosophical argument for another time. (We're getting deep people!)

Also, is Lysandre dead? I think not, only trapped. PinkiePieFox has made lots of good points on why not. I believe that he's trapped under the ruins of the great machine and being exposed to its remaining power...

So, my beliefs for a third game in Generation VI is that Malva will be the head of Team Flare, which will be great as we haven't had a female team boss yet. Malva will see Team Flare for bad purposes, like its original intention was to use the ultimate weapon as a tool for world domination (Or hopefully something more original then what I can think up on the spot).

Additionally, (Story time everyone) before you engage in your final battle with Malva, you are interrupted by something smashing through the wall. It's a giant red werewolf-like beast that's actually Lysandre after being exposed to the ultimate weapon for a year or so. Lysandre escaped the abandoned Team Flare base and has been following you and your friends around on your journey. He's mad with Malva for using Team Flare for bad purposes and appears to have gone mad. In his rage, (This might be a bit too strong for a kid's game but I'm just brain storming) he kills Malva. But realising what he's done, he's filled with regret and is horrified at the monster he's become.
(If you guys can tell me what you think of this, that would be great as right now I just feel like a mad man.)