What pieces of music were left during Advance Generation?

[Pokemaster Justin]

today I was watching Which's Wurmple's Which? And to my suprise the ending music from Kanto came on...I thought 4Kids only kept the Team Rocket and Battle Scene music in AG.

If anyone can tell me some other episodes where the pretty much left the music alone I would much enjoy it as I've watch pretty much none of AG, but ugh the music edits are horrible...

 

[Kairyu]

Team rocket, battle music, "oh shit music" i.e advance adventure, and the kanto ending music.

 

[Trainer Lisa]

Battle music meaning, Ruby/Sapphire wild Pokemon battle, Hoenn Elite four battle theme, and I think the rival battle song.

Also, the Team Aqua/Magma themes are kept in episodes when the respective teams appear.

Anyway, out of all the Hoenn BGM, the Advance Adventure instrumental is my favorite. I love how the dub frequently kept that piece!! ^_^

 

[Dogasu]

Basically, you can't say "4Kids kept this music" or "replaced that music" since they were never, ever consistent about that sort of thing.

Just know that close to 60-70% of the music in any given episode was replaced.


I'm surprised you even care, Pokemaster Justin. You've always been pro-dub change, after all.

 

[Pokemaster Justin]

Yes I don't mind signs being changed or the cultural barriers being worn down a bit so they're enjoyable to all...but music is a different story.

I finally finished watching my whole Indigo Box set, and I could not have said I would have enjoyed that season as much as I did without the music...I just can't.

I noticed that you even mentioned this in your comparions as well, but then again you get flakey when mentioning what music they kept too, I thought it would have been enjoyable if you told us in every episode just what they kept so we could keep an ear out for.

I'm still waiting for the Orange Islands comparisons Dogasu ;p - as well as the rest of Indigo, at least back then it was fun to see the differences you pointed out, now it's just minor cuts and music changes.

 

[Dogasu]

No, I remember you specifically saying that you thought the Japanese music was "horribly boring," didn't see why changing it was that big a deal, and thought that the 4Kids score was vastly superior. Granted, that was from before you vanished off the forums for all those months, but still; when I think "Pokemaster Justin," I think "pro-dub, anti-Japanese fan."

And I'm not "flaky" when it comes to listing what music gets kept and what doesn't; I just don't feel the need to list what pieces are replaced in each and every episode. It'd be just as tedious for me to write up as it would be for you guys to read.


Back to the original topic...every piece of music has been heard in the dub at least once, but the dubbers are never consistent with how often certain pieces are heard.

 

[Yash]

Back to the original topic...every piece of music has been heard in the dub at least once, but the dubbers are never consistent with how often certain pieces are heard.

Are you sure about that? There have at least been some pieces that I don't think were ever heard in the dub before (for example, the piece that plays during the original Kasumi flashback at the end of Johto/when Rocket-Dan release Arbok and Matadogasu/Hikari loses the Zui contest).

 

[Jorah]

Back to the original topic...every piece of music has been heard in the dub at least once, but the dubbers are never consistent with how often certain pieces are heard.

Really? I'm sure some AG tracks have still never been heard in the dub, such as the RSE Secret Base Theme and a sad piece that was in AG01 (I've been going through episodes finiding tracks, heh). But I haven't watched Advanced Challenge at all and when I last watched Advanced Batte, so maybe they have played?

Are you sure about that? There have at least been some pieces that I don't think were ever heard in the dub before (for example, the piece that plays during the original Kasumi flashback at the end of Johto/when Rocket-Dan release Arbok and Matadogasu/Hikari loses the Zui contest).

Tears for a Cloudy Day? That was played a lot in Indigo League, kept in the dub quite a lot. Overused, I thought, in some not very sad scenes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_5XLMp5U78 That scene it suited, yeah

 

[Kazamatsuri]

Tears for a Cloudy Day? That was played a lot in Indigo League, kept in the dub quite a lot. Overused, I thought, in some not very sad scenes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_5XLMp5U78 That scene it suited, yeah

I think Yash is referring to a different tune. Just for reference, this tune first surfaced in Revelation Lugia towards the end of the movie from the point when Kasumi pulled Satoshi out of the water, to the point when Satoshi placed the final orb it its alter.

Anyway, others have kind of said this, but in 4Kids' last seasons, all they really kept were two commonly used Team Rocket tunes (motto and plotting themes) and half of the the hardcore battle music. The reason I say half, is because there were many battle tunes that always seemed to get replaced at that time. Some were tunes from previous eras that would always be kept in earlier episodes but no longer, and some that were never kept under 4Kids. Here's a list that I know off the top of my head:

Strong Adversary Emerges (Track #18 on SAC)
Desparate Situation (Track #33 on SAC)
Across the Stormy Sea (Track #11 on 1st Movie Soundtrack)
Copy Pokemon Awaken (Track #15 on 1st Movie Soundtrack)
Pokeballs Flying in Chaos (Track #17 on 1st Movie Soundtrack)
Run Pikachu (Track #18 on 1st Movie Soundtrack)
The Shining Light (a Self-Titled Tune from Johto)
The Team Rocket based music when Ash losing the Gym Battle to Whitney in A Goldenrod Opportunity
Everything from Movie 2, except for Dasshutsu!
Everything from Movie 3
Everything from Movie 4
The Regi Theme from the RS games
Everything from the 5th movie, except for Latios no Moto he!
Everything from the 6th movie, except for the Advanced Adventure Instrumental Remix and Furaigon Toujo, (which was only kept in one instance in the 4Kids'Dub).

Basically, the above listed are all battle tunes that were never heard in the 4Kids Dub during the Hoenn seasons, but were used at some point in the original during said era. And in fact even some of the commonly kept tunes were replaced at times. One example is in AG80, or That's Just Swellow, when Ash's Taillow beat the defending champion's Volbeat in the preliminary rounds. The instrumental version of OK! played during that scene, but where was it in the Dub?

 

[Pokemaster Justin]

Dogasu I'm pretty sure I never said anything about the music, ever...although I would constantly fight with you over the dub I don't think the music was ever an issue with me as I grew up on the Japanese music and loved it.


Wow is that really all the music 4Kids kept...I'm watching the begining of Johto too and when they finally get the new set of music I really like the piece of music when jessie gets denied from being a Chansey nurse, hopefully that wasn't played in Hoenn a lot

 

[Burning Bush]

Hasn't Tears of Life been on a few episodes recently? I don't like that to be honest it should stay where it is in the first film, it's to good to be on anything else.

 

[Trainer Lisa]

Actually, Tears of Life is a piece of 4Kids music.

It's from the Pokemon The First Movie Score soundtrack. And that's one of my favorite pieces of 4Kids BGM. I think it's very beautiful! ^^

And to your question, no, that song hasn't been played in the Pokemon USA dub recently, especially since they stopped using 4Kids BGM (sadly).

But anyway, I think the only time 4Kids actually used Tears of Life in an episode, was in the Pokemon Advanced episode, "A Poached Ego". And of course, I thought that track really suited that episode well! ^^

I'm watching the begining of Johto too and when they finally get the new set of music I really like the piece of music when jessie gets denied from being a Chansey nurse, hopefully that wasn't played in Hoenn a lot

OMG! I know exactly which Johto piece you're talking about!

Oh, and they also used that song in "The Whistle Stop". I love that song! ^^

But, it's a real shame that they never released that sad track, nor The Shining Light, nor the OK instrumental! And there's also two Johto battle tracks that were never released on an ablum either! That's 5 tracks from Johto which played in the anime, but were never released! And there could even be more than that, since I don't know much about Pokemon BGM!! ;_;

Wow, I wonder why Japan didn't release very much Johto BGM, back during the Johto parts of the anime. And I also wonder why, so far, Japan has only released a little bit of D/P BGM! That is really sad! =(


By the way, there is something I've been wondering about. In the dubbed version of "Charizard's Burning Ambitions", some really sad music is used, which I've never heard being played in any other episode of the 4Kids dub (nor the Pokemon USA dub for that matter).

So, what I wanna know is this:

1) What is the name of the track, that plays when Charizard is in the water and it's starting to fall asleep, and what are the other tracks called, which play near the end of the episode when Ash leaves Charizard? Is that Japanese BGM or 4Kids BGM?

2) If it's Japanese BGM, was it played in the Japanese version of any other episode besides "Charizard's Burning Ambitions"?

Oh, and I'm sorry for going off topic guys. I know this thread was supposed to be about Hoenn BGM, but I really wanted to ask that question.

 

[Dogasu]

I find it hard to believe that a self-proclaimed 4Kids fanatic still has trouble figuring out whether a piece of music is Japanese-created or 4Kids-created.

 

[Trainer Lisa]

Hehe. XD

Well, that's only because I don't have your vastly superior knowledge of both versions, Dogasu. So sometimes, I second guess myself when I'm not too sure about the music. =P (for example, I used to think the two Spearow tracks in the first Pokemon episode were Japanese music, until mogoldmember informed me that that was dub music)

Anyway, off-hand, I would have to say that was Japanese BGM in "Charizard's Burning Ambitions". I just thought it was strange, cause it only played in that one episode and then I never heard it again. Maybe it was created specifically for that episode....

 

[Kazamatsuri]

Hehe. XD

Well, that's only because I don't have your vastly superior knowledge of both versions, Dogasu. So sometimes, I second guess myself when I'm not too sure about the music. =P (for example, I used to think the two Spearow tracks in the first Pokemon episode were Japanese music, until mogoldmember informed me that that was dub music)

Anyway, off-hand, I would have to say that was Japanese BGM in "Charizard's Burning Ambitions". I just thought it was strange, cause it only played in that one episode and then I never heard it again. Maybe it was created specifically for that episode....

That tune when Charizard is in the water is called Kiseki no Namida from the first movie soundtrack. It is track #22, and is pretty much the Japanese equivalent of Tears of Life. It was also kept in Viva Las Lapras, although it was interrupted by an instrumental of The Time Has Come. It in episode #255 (Dragonite) as well, but is not kept in the Dub there.

And the tune at the very end is my absolute favorite tune in the Johto region. It only plays like 5 times in Johto altogether (episodes #136. #154 (Cyndaquil), #187 (Remoraid), #253 (Dragonair, and #255), and is only kept in that one instance.

Anyway, that tune that Justin mentioned is a sad instrumental variation of OK!. I was never used in Hoenn AFAIK, but if it was, I doubt 4Kids would've kept it, since they never kept it during Johto League Champions and Master Quest.

 

[Jorah]

That tune when Charizard is in the water is called Kiseki no Namida from the first movie soundtrack. It is track #22, and is pretty much the Japanese equivalent of Tears of Life. It was also kept in Viva Las Lapras, although it was interrupted by an instrumental of The Time Has Come. It in episode #255 (Dragonite) as well, but is not kept in the Dub there.

And the tune at the very end is my absolute favorite tune in the Johto region. It only plays like 5 times in Johto altogether (episodes #136. #154 (Cyndaquil), #187 (Remoraid), #253 (Dragonair, and #255), and is only kept in that one instance.

Anyway, that tune that Justin mentioned is a sad instrumental variation of OK!. I was never used in Hoenn AFAIK, but if it was, I doubt 4Kids would've kept it, since they never kept it during Johto League Champions and Master Quest.

I ask you because I know you know *loads*, I think I remember you saying that the GS Credit theme has played in the Japanese version? Which episodes did it play in? I'm interested in hearing it haha

 

[Pokemaster Justin]

I'm watching a lot of Advance Gen ones too - and they really did apparently like the Advanced Adventure instrumental, it's almost on every epsidoes.

I liked when Dogasu points out the music that stays though - I was pleasently suprised to hear that piano song from the ending of Indigo on that one episode.

4Kids and their consistancy with keeping music though... :\

I don't mind their background music too much, but ugh when they started to not even use the battle music...that's where it hurt.

 

[Yash]

I'm watching a lot of Advance Gen ones too - and they really did apparently like the Advanced Adventure instrumental, it's almost on every episodes.

The one thing that always confused me about that is that if they liked the song so much, why didn't they use it as the actual theme song? This goes especially for PUSA and its use of the By Your Side remixes in Diamond & Pearl. Certainly even simply using that track for the credits would make for a more interesting ending theme than an instrumental of We Will Be Heroes.

As much crap as I give PUSA for not keeping as much music as I would like them to, they're certainly a step up from 4Kids. I remember watching the Advanced Generation episode "Gaining Groudon" where 4Kids only kept ONE piece of music in that episode (Team Rocket's secret strategy), and even then it barely played for like fifteen seconds.

 

[Pokemaster Justin]

I would love to try to get the dub's voice track and sync it up with the japanese episodes from AG If I knew how and had the proper tools I would so do that.

I almost bet I'd love AG a lot more.

 

[Jorah]

http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ Audiacity is a good, free program for audio editing. But I don't have the patience to go through and get both Japanese and English videos then start editing

The one thing that always confused me about that is that if they liked the song so much, why didn't they use it as the actual theme song? This goes especially for PUSA and its use of the By Your Side remixes in Diamond & Pearl. Certainly even simply using that track for the credits would make for a more interesting ending theme than an instrumental of We Will Be Heroes.

Perhaps the openings just cost more then usual background music? Or is too much more hassle? Or, they actually prefer their own? They might think that American kids wouldn't like the Japanese ones because the scenes don't move on as much and the dub openings move on about every 3 seconds. I've also seen some people complain that the Battle Dimension opening doesn't say "Pokemon" enough so it doesn't stick in as much Then there would be the problem of translating lyrics to fit or just make up their own lyrics. Yeah, it probably comes down to - too much money - could never be bothered to translate lyrics/make lyrics fit the tune