What will be Clemont's reason for leaving his gym? And who watches it in his absence?

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When Clemont's identity is eventually revealed and he can have a proper gym battle with Ash for his badge, how will they allow him to leave his gym? Unlike Misty, Iris and Cilan, he has no siblings or mentor to take over the gym; and knowing Ash, especially considering the frustration he felt dealing with a certain French woman in Sinnoh, he would want other trainers have a shot to get Clemont's badge, even if means losing a friend. Now unless they introduce an anime exclusive parent like they did with Brock, I cant see how they shut down the gym for the reminder of the series to allow Cemont and Bonnie to travel for god knows how many seasons and movies with Ash and Serena. Any ideas?

Mode note: This is not to discuss changing, adding, or removing people from the main cast. It's also pretty much established that Clemont is indeed the Lumiose Gym Leader, so there's no need to keep bringing it up.
 
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I'm also asking this, but not because of that, but mainly because his design, which I didn't like.

The main cast was made for Ash and Serena being co-star but the games hasn't been put a sidequest. And I think, with a >50% (that is, a lot) that the sidequest has to be removed in the development of the XY games, probably very late into the development of those (to the point that the main cast is decided by that point).

Not to mention that they have Dedenne, a species which for me appears to be a mini-Raichu, more than Pichu a mini-Pikachu (and I love Pikachu and Pichu, and like Raichu).

I prefer to wait until ratings of the first episodes until I see. But or the ratings are very good, or merhcnaidse is very high, or Chespin will have to go out of Clemont. And if rating dips in the 5 territory (now it's a bad writing; and 4 a terrbile writing) Clemont and Bonnie will have a foot in the show, and if they lucky those two survive the movie (but given the last two movies...) and out. And Chespin to Ash.

Xy is clearly getting more ratings than the Da! series but the show right now needs more than a 7.5 in the premiere and a range of 6-6.5 to doing it good. And given the ratings of the last episode of Decolora (that was to promote the XY series), Pokemon Origins and the like, I doubt that the premiere will get more than 7.

At the production of this episode, I doubt that Nintendo has told to the writers that there are only 69 new pokemon (the anime needs to know the pokemon that star in the episode, 6-7 months and the background ones in 4-5 months).

And Clemont is more expendable than Serena, because:
1) Dedenne is not heavily promoted and Chespoin can go to Ash easily (it's not a starter).
2) Serena is the PC who they want to promote, and has a starter from the lab (which makes impossible to gift/trade). If she leaves, they have to create another Fennekin.
3) Getting out of the picture to Clemont means that not only Clemont is out; Bonne is out with him, giving to the cast less money gotten than with Serena being out.
 
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wait, is this honestly a thread about if they are going to kick clemont out if ratings are bad? it's not happening. what is the point of discussing it? they've picked their XY characters and they'll be here until generation seven. ratings for pokemon have sucked before, they didnt say "it must be due to this one character" and kicked them off the show. i don't get this topic.
 
After watching the first two episodes (with subtitles) I started to question myself if Clemont is even a gym leader in this continuity.
I know he is the eletric-type gym leader in the games, but in the anime he seems to be quite lacking in this type department as of now. Mind you, it seems the group is only going to meet Dedenne in the next episode, so what kind of Pokémon he could use in his supposed eletric gym?
Taking that into account I guess the writers may be deviating from his role in the games. If he is no gym leader here there's no problem with him leaving the city and he can stay. He may have ties with the gym, but maybe he is not the leader in the anime.
 
Eh, they'll think of some excuse. They always do. Though at least they (hopefully) have a while

Though I think it would be neat if he left Ash-tachii and someone took his place
 
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Magma Bomb said:
After watching the first two episodes (with subtitles) I started to question myself if Clemont is even a gym leader in this continuity.
I know he is the eletric-type gym leader in the games, but in the anime he seems to be quite lacking in this type department as of now. Mind you, it seems the group is only going to meet Dedenne in the next episode, so what kind of Pokémon he could use in his supposed eletric gym?
Taking that into account I guess the writers may be deviating from his role in the games. If he is no gym leader here there's no problem with him leaving the city and he can stay. He may have ties with the gym, but maybe he is not the leader in the anime.
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Clemont is seen with the other Gym Leaders in a silhouette along with the other Gym Leaders in the opening.
 
sunyshore said:
wait, is this honestly a thread about if they are going to kick clemont out if ratings are bad? it's not happening. what is the point of discussing it? they've picked their XY characters and they'll be here until generation seven. ratings for pokemon have sucked before, they didnt say "it must be due to this one character" and kicked them off the show. i don't get this topic.
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The rating has been never sucked in the start of a saga. The ratings has been good to excellent in all their run except ending of Johto, Battle Frontier, Best WIshes in 2012 and 2013 except early Season 2.

Ojo, that hypèd events has gotten "low ratings" recently, among others Pokemon Origins.
 
Nymphia said:
Ojo, that hypèd events has gotten "low ratings" recently, among others Pokemon Origins.
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...that sucks :-(

I just hope that doesn't discourage them from making similar specials
 
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They'll probably do the same thing they did with Brock and make up some relative of Clemont that happens to be a Pokemon trainer return to Lumiose City so that they can make Clemont continue to travel with Ash.

BTW, I look forward to Ash's reaction when he finds out that Clemont is actually the Lumiose City Gym Leader.
 
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I'm sorry, Nymphia, but I don't see why they would assume ratings would be down because of some characters. Just because you see him as expendable due to his sidekick status doesn't mean he isn't valuable to the narrative and characters. It would be silly to ruin their plans just because some people might dislike him and/or Bonnie, or for whatever reason. As sunyshore said, they picked their cast and they're sticking with them until their proper time has come.

As for the topic itself, they'd probably have Clemont have a robot to stay in the Gym in his place. (With malfunctions or break-downs here and there for comic relief, or to make it look like he might have to leave early.) Maybe he doesn't want to remain a Gym Leader and would rather work on his inventions; thus he'd easily give up his Gym, or temporarily close the Gym, or have a stand-in, much like how Agatha was the interim Gym Leader for the Viridian Gym.
 
The gym is doing fine without him right now isn't it? It'd be a simple case of Clemont not returning to his gym position and travelling with Ash instead after his 5th badge.
 
Honestly, I don't think Clemont is the gym leader at this point, opening credits aside. Bonnie quite easily referred to the Lumiose GL as someone else, and I don't think she's the kind to be a good liar at all. It feels more like Clemont is focused on overcoming the gym leader- hence Bunnelby's skill at dealing with the electric type Pikachu. Plus I think there was a preview that showed Bunnelby fighting a Manectric in the gym.

On the other hand, give the credits, this will probably lead in to Clemont taking over the gym and fighting Ash as gym leader, so I have no idea how he'd stay after that. Let the old (currently current) GL keep on going, maybe?
 
Fantina/Melissa is proof that you don't need to be there. Trainers frustrated at it could have gone to other anime-exlusive gyms which we know exist.
 
Iteru said:
Fantina/Melissa is proof that you don't need to be there. Trainers frustrated at it could have gone to other anime-exlusive gyms which we know exist.
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Like how Gary got ten badges in Kanto?
 
I know I posted this somewhere else, but maybe this belongs here

Maybe Clemont thought he wasn't a good gym leader after experiencing a badly performed battle and wanted to start over as a new trainer? Which may be why he used a newly caught pokemon for battle. He might have temporarily left the gym to an anime-only relative (like how Koga's sister was also taking care of the gym?), and he wanted to train more to find his confidence?
 
Clemont certainly seems like the gym leader to me. He was visibly nervous at Ash's response to the gym, as if frightened that he might be found out as the gym leader Ash referred to; and when Bonnie spoke of the leader, she DOES think of her brother and was thus praising him without giving away his identity.

As to how his absence at the gym will be explained and resolved... no idea. Temporarily closing down the gym, maybe?
 
YamiiDenryuu said:
Honestly, I don't think Clemont is the gym leader at this point, opening credits aside. Bonnie quite easily referred to the Lumiose GL as someone else, and I don't think she's the kind to be a good liar at all.
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i'm sorry, but both of those are just plain wrong D: first of all "opening credits aside" -- but you can't put them aside. they exist, and he's one of the gym leaders. how can you say "those aside" like that can be done? it can't.

and bonnie never referred "quite easily" or at all to the GL being someone else -- all she said was "the gym leader is very strong!" after cutting clemont off from saying something himself (ash was MAD at the lumiose gym leader at the time, and bonnie was protecting her brother). actually she's doing a great job so far of protecting clemont, why he wants to keep it a secret nobody yet knows, but bonnie is the one who jumps in front of him anytime ash asks a question that would lead to "i'm the gym leader of lumiose" and cuts him off and says something to distract.

still not sure why this thread exists at all. there's a bonnie and clemont discussion thread, and there is zero percent they are kicking any of their established characters out, so why does this exist again?
 
sunyshore said:
still not sure why this thread exists at all. there's a bonnie and clemont discussion thread, and there is zero percent they are kicking any of their established characters out, so why does this exist again?
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The OP's question was about Clemont's reason for being able to leave his gym and travel with Ash. I do not believe that they intended to suggest that Clemont might be dropped from the show before his time, however there does appear to have been some confusion about this in general. I will edit the thread title to make it clearer.
 
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