Where do the GameCube games fit into the timeline?

[Glitchipedia]

We all know that Generations I and III take place contemporaneously, and Generations II and IV take place three years later.

Still, I am unsure where exactly Colosseum and XD: Gale of Darkness fit into the timeline.

Conventional wisdom says that Colosseum takes place at the same time as the rest of Generation III. However, XD is also able to communicate with the rest of Generation III, despite taking place five years after Colosseum. And no Time Capsules are required for this, either.

Is Bill up to something, all locked up in his house at Cerulean Cape? Was this simply a continuity error on the part of Genius Sonority?

On a side note, let us recall that Ho-Oh is given to the player after completion of the Purification quest and the Mount Battle challenge, while Lugia is caught by the player as a major part of XD's plot. Lugia and Ho-Oh are also found at Navel Rock, and later, in Generation II/IV, they are found in the Whirl Islands and Tin Tower, respectively.

As far as I know, where the games are concerned, there is only one of each of the legendaries. Where did they appear first, where did they go next, and where did they finally end up?

I will be most interested to hear what the fan community thinks.

 

[PDL]

To be honest, I'm not entirely sure that the Gamecube games even fit in the "timeline" of the handhelds.

It's more of a spin-off alternate universe. There's not references to Orre or anything that took place in it other then transfering a Pokémon that originated from those games (Even then, they would have "Distant Land" as their place of origin). And There's very little reference to the handheld games in the Gamecube games themselves (I can only think of two shelves with books that say "Pokémon from Jotho" and "Pokémon from Hoenn", but I might be wrong on the titles).

But then again, I don't actually believe that their even is a specific "timeline". All the games are ment to be self-contained and the spin-off games get so odd that they're impossible to place coherently in the same universe (Like the Mystery Dungeon games).

Also, it's never actually been stated that there could be only one of each legendary since they could be traded to different games and you can have mutlipules of them.

 

[AiedailEclipsed]

Its never been said that there is one of each of the legendaries. Just certain ones: the Lake trio, the Dragon trio, Arceus, ect... and there are more than one of these known: Lugia, Latios, Latias, ect...

 

[The Outrage]

I see colosseum taking place before RBY/RSE and XD after. When do you actually get to link up with the handhelds anyway? If its after the game has been beaten, I don't think timeline continuity matters. Besides, would you rather have them not let you link up to your handhelds because of a timeline that is mostly speculated upon?

 

[Glitchipedia]

The "multiples of legendaries" theory assumes that the trades between players are actually important to the plot. Aside from that, multiples of Lugia and the Lati@s were only seen in the anime, which has no bearing on the games (Pokémon Yellow being the sole exception).

Although, I could deal with multiple Celebi. In all likelihood, it's the same Celebi from different time periods.

The Legendary Beasts are a whole other matter. Crystal makes their capture essential to the plot. But then, so does Colosseum. However, it seems that cloning is not unheard of in the Pokémon games - Mewtwo may have simply been an altered Mew embryo, but the extinct Pokémon seem to be cloned from the fossils, so why not?

The sandbox = years passing theory is plausible. And no, I wouldn't want the GameCube games to be incompatible for the sake of preserving the timeline - I just find the subject fascinating.

 

[Nekusagi]

Multiple Celebi were kinda confirmed in the fourth movie, to the extent that they're all copies of the one Celebi from different eras.

Or something. The paradoxes in that movie made me shit bricks.

 

[LadyBow]

This question is pointless. It doesn't matter and no one can give you the answer you're looking for. You don't need to overanalyze things.

There is no Pokemon timeline, simple as that, it's not like there would need to be.

And your rejection of multiple legendaries is just ridiculous as it has already been confirmed.

So you've basically asked with no existing answer and you will have to settle with some made-up, implausible theory to how the single Lugia and Ho-Oh just travel everywhere.

Pokemon is extremely simple, I csn't understand why peopl feel the need to try and complicate it.

 

[Glitchipedia]

This question is pointless. It doesn't matter and no one can give you the answer you're looking for. You don't need to overanalyze things.

There is no Pokemon timeline, simple as that, it's not like there would need to be.

And your rejection of multiple legendaries is just ridiculous as it has already been confirmed.

So you've basically asked with no existing answer and you will have to settle with some made-up, implausible theory to how the single Lugia and Ho-Oh just travel everywhere.

Pokemon is extremely simple, I csn't understand why peopl feel the need to try and complicate it.

"There is no Pokémon timeline"? You never played Generation II, did you? If you had, you would know that it established a specific order of events within the franchise.

Also, if you have nothing productive to add to this discussion, I would ask that you not participate. I want friendly speculation, not flames.

Honestly, the last thing Bulbagarden needs is a clone of BCVM22 from Serebii...

 

[LadyBow]

I repeat, there is no timeline. I played Gen II, don't assume. GSC (not generation II) is a sequel to RBY, that's it. There is no line of events where things have taken place. Pokmon games all connect in some way but don't pretend like Colosseum and XD have some sort of timeframe they were supposed to have taken place in.

There thread had no merit of discussion. Any sort of post containing what you're looking for would be 100% unfounded, meaningless fan speculation. You're the problem here as you want to try and create some timeline that doesn't exist nor is relevant to the series.

 

[Glitchipedia]

I repeat, there is no timeline. I played Gen II, don't assume. GSC (not generation II) is a sequel to RBY, that's it. There is no line of events where things have taken place. Pokmon games all connect in some way but don't pretend like Colosseum and XD have some sort of timeframe they were supposed to have taken place in.

There thread had no merit of discussion. Any sort of post containing what you're looking for would be 100% unfounded, meaningless fan speculation. You're the problem here as you want to try and create some timeline that doesn't exist nor is relevant to the series.

That's exactly what I'm looking for.

And, as far as I know, the whole point of fan communities like this one is to overanalyze things. Because we're total PokéGeeks.

Now, honestly, haven't you got anything better to do besides trolling my thread?

 

[The Outrage]

So GSC is a sequel to RBY, yet there was no timeline of important events that happened between the two huh....

And going by your logic, 90% of this forum has no merit for discussion, including all of the random "What we want in GSC" threads, or the speculation thread that had no confirmation for GSC until like what? A month ago?

And your comment of Pokemon being extremely simple...

...Its deceptively complicated. Just have a look at the inner workings of the game mechanics that created an entire ofshoot of the fandom.

And we have an entire fucking forum for meaningless fan speculation, the Pokemon World forum (where this thread would probably be better treated), not to mention yet another offshoot of the fandom based on meaningless speculation (shippers).

 

[garchomprock]

I think colluseum fits johto and xd fits late hoenn or early sinnoh and stop trashing trashing glitchapedia lady bow this is supposed to be a friendly site!

 

[Glitchipedia]

And your rejection of multiple legendaries is just ridiculous as it has already been confirmed.

So you've basically asked with no existing answer and you will have to settle with some made-up, implausible theory to how the single Lugia and Ho-Oh just travel everywhere.

I withdraw my objection against multiple legendaries where the Legendary Beasts and Celebi are concerned. I just remembered Entei's Pokédex entry states that a new one is born every time a volcano erupts, so it's also quite possible that the other two spontaneously generate in a similar fashion.

But the single Ho-Oh and Lugia theory is entirely plausible. Consider the following:

• Perhaps the Ho-Oh given to the player is not given, per se, but rather, it joins the player of its own free will, since it is in search of a pure-hearted Trainer. But for some reason or another, it does not consider the player to be its original Trainer, thus explaining why it "belongs" to Mt. Battle. Also because of this, Ho-Oh must move on at some point, so perhaps Wes releases it, whereupon it flies to Navel Rock.
• The Lugia caught in Pokémon XD was caught for the sole purpose of purifying it. Therefore, it is reasonable to assume that Michael released it upon purification, and it fled to Navel Rock afterward.
• The Rainbow and Silver Wings supposedly summon Lugia and Ho-Oh to their respective nests in G/S/C/HG/SS. The Wings do not simply allow passage. Therefore, it is reasonable to assume that the birds were summoned from Navel Rock.

This theory is supported by the generally accepted behavior of the other three Legendary Birds, wherein the are not captured, but instead flee when their nests are invaded or they otherwise decide to move on. The Articuno, Zapdos, and Moltres found roaming Sinnoh are generally thought to be the same ones that once nested in the Seafoam Islands, the Power Plant, and Victory Road/Mt. Ember, respectively. Their presence in Sinnoh most certainly explains why they were not found in Johto or Kanto during Generation II, since it takes place at the same time as Generation IV.

So GSC is a sequel to RBY, yet there was no timeline of important events that happened between the two huh....

And going by your logic, 90% of this forum has no merit for discussion, including all of the random "What we want in GSC" threads, or the speculation thread that had no confirmation for GSC until like what? A month ago?

And your comment of Pokemon being extremely simple...

...Its deceptively complicated. Just have a look at the inner workings of the game mechanics that created an entire ofshoot of the fandom.

And we have an entire fucking forum for meaningless fan speculation, the Pokemon World forum (where this thread would probably be better treated), not to mention yet another offshoot of the fandom based on meaningless speculation (shippers).

I think colluseum fits johto and xd fits late hoenn or early sinnoh and stop trashing trashing glitchapedia lady bow this is supposed to be a friendly site!

Thank you both for your defense. However, Outrage, I posted this in the "Older Games" forum because it specifically deals with Generation III games and their position in the timeline. I thought this decision logical. However, if it needs to be moved, I won't complain as long as I can find it and people can still post.

 

[Shinx3000]

But the single Ho-Oh and Lugia theory is entirely plausible. Consider the following:

Perhaps the Ho-Oh given to the player is not given, per se, but rather, it joins the player of its own free will, since it is in search of a pure-hearted Trainer. But for some reason or another, it does not consider the player to be its original Trainer, thus explaining why it "belongs" to Mt. Battle. Also because of this, Ho-Oh must move on at some point, so perhaps Wes releases it, whereupon it flies to Navel Rock.

The Lugia caught in Pokémon XD was caught for the sole purpose of purifying it. Therefore, it is reasonable to assume that Michael released it upon purification, and it fled to Navel Rock afterward.

The Rainbow and Silver Wings supposedly summon Lugia and Ho-Oh to their respective nests in G/S/C/HG/SS. The Wings do not simply allow passage. Therefore, it is reasonable to assume that the birds were summoned from Navel Rock.

I am not sure if this counts, but probably does, there was a baby Lugia in anime right? It kinda proves there is more than one. I can see how there is only one Ho-oh, but the multiple celebi and 3 roaming legends (beasts and birds) can still apply.

 

[Glitchipedia]

I am not sure if this counts, but probably does, there was a baby Lugia in anime right? It kinda proves there is more than one. I can see how there is only one Ho-oh, but the multiple celebi and 3 roaming legends (beasts and birds) can still apply.

The baby Lugia was seen only in the anime, which has no bearing on the timeline of the games.

And yes, there probably are multiple Celebi since multiple iterations of itself from the past and the future could travel to the present, as has already been stated many times.

 

[AntiHyperLink]

I thought the legendary beasts were transformed versions of the original 3 eeveelutions? Or is that just a theory? A GA- NO!

Also, I'm sorry if necroposting offends someone, I just found this after looking up the topic on the Googler machine.

 

[DigitalGen6]

Omg a 14 year old thread lol
Anyway, I don’t think they fit in the timeline
I made my own version of the Pokémon timeline(s) before and did research and yeah I don’t think they fit

 

[Greninjaman]

I honestly don't care about timelines and all that stuff. Gets too confusing. I just roll with the flow (get it?).
It's the same with the Legend of Zelda games. How can there be a timeline of events when Hyrule changes so much between games?

 

[DigitalGen6]

I honestly don't care about timelines and all that stuff. Gets too confusing. I just roll with the flow (get it?).
It's the same with the Legend of Zelda games. How can there be a timeline of events when Hyrule changes so much between games?

IKR I’m not super into timelines and stuff unless I’m super interested in making them or whatever, I only care about a bunch of other things in the games (basically, anything not the timeline)
And uh, Zelda’s timeline is just wonky and ORAS’d at this point