Who had better arguments with Ash, Misty or Iris?

[Cybersai]

Unlike May and Dawn, who generally got along with Ash and only argued with him in a select few episodes, both Misty and Iris generally made it a habit to argue and badger Ash.

Misty and Ash got into petty squabbles all throughout the early seasons. Although this stopped in Johto due to Togepi toning down Misty's character and Johto's writing being shot, we still had some of it like in the Totodile episode.

Meanwhile in BW, Iris constantly calls Ash a kid and berates him.

Whose arguments with Ash were more enjoyable?

 

[pokemon fan 132]

Im going to say Misty.Their bickering and disagreements over several things was always fun to watch with both always trying to prove being better than another trying to put themselves in better light.This can be especially noticed whenever there was something at stake(like battling for Togepi,in Cerulean gym,for Totodile or in Whirl Cup) with some sort of competitive fire always being present between Ash and Misty.
However in many situations Misty arguing was justified due to Ash being immature rookie making various mistakes with her criticism having purpose of helping him to grow as trainer and put him down on earth when he reacted impulsively becoming full of himself getting him out of trouble.

With Iris while she tends to tease Ash and be cynical at times its usually done in more subtle manner acting more like evaluator than his coach or mentor.Not to mention Ash doesnt react so much impulsively to Iris critics like he used with Misty with there simply lacking spark between them.However i gather how because of being more mature he learned how to handle criticism better explaining why Iris picking isnt achieving same result.

Also for record,in Johto Misty didnt argued so often with Ash like she used in early days but she still teased Ash quit a lot being cynical about it.From violent outbursts teasing changed in more subtle picking on with more smart alec jokes and sarcasm being used instead which was quite fun to watch providing different kind of conflict.
Reason was because her character started to mature/grow becoming more level headed and tolerant over time.She was still spunky trying to put her point across but in less violent way.
This can be best noticed in her recent cameos where she still likes to be cynical and playfully tease Ash being stubborn at some things with only difference being that she isnt berserk so much anymore.

 

[Masurao]

This isn't even a contest. At least Ash was responsive to Misty's criticism. With Iris, Ash really doesn't seem like he gives a shit 90% of the time. He has more of a "whatever" mentality with her. Besides, how many arguemtns have Iris, and Ash had? Like two or three in 40 something episodes? Compared to the several Misty, and Ash had by this point.

 

[PokemonLotty]

Is this even a question? Misty, obviously. The entire reason for their shipping popularity and just their friendship and chemistry in general was the bickering, it was what they were known for. Even if you compare Misty up to like episode 50, to be fair to how many episodes Iris has had, Misty totally slaughters her in that aspect of the show.

 

[Aestivate]

Remember to take the shipping talk to its respective forum, guys.


In response to the OP, I really don't think either character had justifiable arguments towards Satoshi. But at least with Kasumi the humor was typically lighthearted, slapstick, and fun whereas typically with Iris it's grating and hypocritical. The bickering with Kasumi is waaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy more entertaining though.

 

[Egghatch]

I don't like arguments with Ash, but at least when Misty argued with him, he actually responded, and she said something besides, "You're such a kid!"

 

[CommanderPigg]

Paul. /end thread

At least Misty seemed a bit...sorry for all the trouble she caused Ash, which I think made it a bit more bearable in the long run. Iris on the other hand is merciless If Ash responded to Iris the way he did for Misty, I think it'd be a bit more entertaining.

For the record, neither really appealed to me that much since their squabbles never really led anywhere, but if I HAD to choose...Misty.

 

[GameCubeController]

I'd say Iris. There's just something I like about seeing her interact with Ash.

 

[Aestivate]

Just a reminder to all that because this is a Contest hall style thread, you must state your reasons for your choices as to not simply repeat what's in the poll.

 

[Insanish Danish]

I say Misty, because for one thing, Ash actually reciprocated and argued back, which made it more entertaining. With Iris, it's not really that they argue but that Iris likes to tease Ash, but what takes away from that being entertaining is that Ash never fights back like he did with Misty. If he did than I'd probably have a harder time deciding.

 

[Peppermint Phoenix]

I don't like arghuements with Ash, but at least when Misty argued with him, he actually responded, and she said something besides, "You're such a kid!"

Not to mention both sides made sense and had points and realistic motives. Iris just comes of a whiner who needs to respect Ash's authority.

Misty: WTF is wrong with you Ash you need to think things thru
Ash: I'm just trying to accomplish my goals and I believe in my Pokemon. If I over think things I will lose connection with the world around me including my pokemon.
vs
Iris: You're stupid Ash
Ash: Oh Iris you so crazyyyyyyy

 

[Masurao]

At least Misty seemed a bit...sorry for all the trouble she caused Ash, which I think made it a bit more bearable in the long run. Iris on the other hand is merciless If Ash responded to Iris the way he did for Misty, I think it'd be a bit more entertaining.

Misty wasn't merciless? She would physically harm Ash with anything she could grab. Misty was just as bad as Iris is now, except the latter isn't physical. But that's what made the former more entertaining.

 

[The Puppetmaster]

Misty wasn't merciless? She would physically harm Ash with anything she could grab. Misty was just as bad as Iris is now, except the latter isn't physical. But that's what made the former more entertaining.

I think Piggy meant Misty overall seemed to feel more remorse for her actions toward Ash, not every time she'd poke fun at him. Iris doesn't seem to feel bad at all for teasing him, but it's understandable since he isn't very responsive to her, anyways...

As for the poll, I choose Misty since she at least got a reaction from Ash whenever she'd tease him; at least that way, it shows he cares for what she thinks of him where with Iris, it's like, "Cool story, bro."

 

[Hellion]

Paul. /end thread

This XD

I say Misty, because for one thing, Ash actually reciprocated and argued back, which made it more entertaining.

That pretty much sums up my opinion on the topic. Misty's argument with Ash are automatically better because... well... they actually argued. There's no reciprocicty in the Ash/Iris dynamics, and it's a two-way street. Ash isn't affected by anything that Iris does or says, never angered or annoyed, there's no back and forth, but even with Iris, she says Ash is a kid, but there's no real connection. She's not affected by it the way that Misty seemed to be personally bothered by Ash's mistakes and equally responsive to Ash's good points.

 

[Cybersai]

The Ash/Iris arguments are more subdued than Ash/Misty, but that's only because Misty was a more aggressive and "loud" character at the beginning.

Also, Iris doesn't really have a temper, so I guess that's why her arguments don't really feel like "arguments" to most people. She's more of a...mocker I guess?

I suppose Ash/Misty's was more entertaining, even if they died down in Johto.

 

[pokemon fan 132]

The Ash/Iris arguments are more subdued than Ash/Misty, but that's only because Misty was a more aggressive and "loud" character at the beginning.

Also, Iris doesn't really have a temper, so I guess that's why her arguments don't really feel like "arguments" to most people. She's more of a...mocker I guess?

I suppose Ash/Misty's was more entertaining, even if they died down in Johto.

It didnt died down at all,they just argued less compared to Kanto days.Which is understandable because both Ash and Misty started to mature becoming more tolerant toward their differences.Loud arguing in Johto changed more in mocking and playful teasing with Ash usually answering back to provocations being enjoyable because you had two way interacting.However that not to say they never argued in Johto as well because there still existed tension and competitive fire between two which can be noticed in several episodes("Like when battling for Totodile,in episode about Zapdos,when entering Whirl Cup,in Fortune Hunters etc).

On of main reasons why i enjoyed more in Ash and Misty arguments is exactly because of arguing not being one-way with Ash actually paying attention to Misty provocations and arguments replying back with his own which contributed toward healthy and fun dynamic between characters.With Iris she tends to tease and be cynical like Misty did but it happens in more subtle manner with main problem being Ash indifference toward it most of time not creating same type of conflict and tension like arguing between Misty and Ash manage to accomplish.

 

[Shinneth]

Yeah, it really isn't a contest by any stretch of the imagination. And while I'm not really keen on either's interactions with Ash, the ones with Misty have the merit of actually being reciprocated. It actually makes me wonder why they even bother having Iris make jabs at Ash when he doesn't respond to them at all; all this does is make Iris look bad. Personal feelings on Misty aside, though she wasn't always justified to give Ash flak, there was at least foundation set for it. If a dude stole my bike, totaled it, and then dragged me into an area teeming with things that repulsed me, I'd be bitter as hell and troll that guy however way I could as revenge... especially if the guy was a legitimate dimwit and practically begged to be trolled for certain antics.

So not only were the Ash/Misty interactions legitimate arguments and infinitely more entertaining, but they were also within sensible grasp. Plus it's more of an even field with those two; Misty wasn't made out to be a super-special snowflake who was way out of Ash's league, so the arguments weren't heinously one-sided. Hell, even if Misty went Iris' culturally-insensitive route and berated Ash for not knowing things about Kanto (I don't recall her doing so... not to a notable extent, anyway), it would be a bit more easy to comprehend because Kanto is Ash's freaking home region and he ought to know at least a few basic things about it. Not knowing about type logic, moves, or Pokemon would've been more understandable because Ash was brand new at this in Misty's time and thus there was reason to pick on him because he was a stupid newbie; there's just no common sense in mocking Ash for not knowing a region he's not native to and is far, far away from him, it's pretty nitpicky to mock him for not knowing about Gen V moves since they're literally never seen elsewhere, and the type logic thing is just a bad writing decision since it's not consistent with Ash's character, so that's a matter of flubbing continuity all for the sake of letting Iris have an opening to mock him that is on the whole inconsequential because nothing ever comes of it.

Really, the majority of Iris' and Ash's banter is a consequence of skewed continuity or a complete lack of common sense in instigating a conflict that'll last all of five seconds. They didn't have to go through all this with Misty because for the most part, the catalysts to the impending argument were within the grasp of common sense, didn't compromise continuity, and wasn't a complete waste of time. Especially with all the posts that explained this better than me, there's hardly a need to go into this much detail to articulate precisely why Misty and Ash had superior arguments, but I figured this would be more worthwhile than some cheaply-done "ditto per all" reply.

At the end of the day, Paul trumps them both anyway. So does Gary, for that matter.

 

[Chronos]

Ash and Iris don't argue, so my vote obviously goes to Misty.

 

[Cybersai]

Ash and Iris don't argue, so my vote obviously goes to Misty.

And what do you mean by that?

 

[Chronos]

Iris calls Ash a kid; Ash pays no attention to it. Whereas when Misty was around, Ash would usually defend himself. Ash and Iris never argue to the extent that him and Misty did.