Who is the bigger hypocrite; Ash or Paul?

Who is the bigger hypocrite?

  • Ash

    Votes: 16 47.1%
  • Paul

    Votes: 18 52.9%

  • Total voters
    34

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Ash talked about how he and his rivals never tell each other or discuss how to raise the other’s Pokemon because they settle that on the battlefield. He told this to Drew at the Kanto GF after he yelled at May during a training secession with his Absol. Though I feel he contradicted himself a few times in the show. Look at “The Path to the Pokemon League” where he basically got into a few fights with A.J. because of the way he treats his Pokemon. Then let’s not even get started with the arguments with Paul.

His role in the Wallace Cup was put under question by Paul. In a way, Ash’s motives were the same as Paul entering the Tag Battles. However, one could argue in Ash’s favor since Wallace himself suggested entering Buizel. This is unlike Paul who probably entered it under his own decision. The two come to a head when they both entered in Pokeringer contest. Ash has done the “raise Pokemon with love/friendship speech to A LOT of people in the anime. On that comes to mind is Barry in his debut episode.

I mean Ash explains how he raises Pokemon many times, but sometimes it is like he is trying to push those ideals to others when he clearly tells Drew that he and his rivals never do that.

Paul contradicts himself a few times;
• Telling Ash that a loss is the trainer’s fault when he clearly harasses or scolds his Pokemon when they lose
• Saying to Ash that using a Grass type at an Ice gym was chalking it up to blind faith “A Pyramiding Rage”, when he uses Pokemon with type disadvantages most of the time; Elekid/Chimchar at Oreburg Gym even though both knew super-effective moves Brick Break/Dig, Ursaring vs. Hitmonlee, Chimchar vs. Garchomp, and other matches. Though sometimes he had a hidden agenda behind his Pokemon choices; Torterra’s Stone Edge against Staraptor, many failed attempts to unlock Chimchar’s full Blaze power or activating his Pokemon’s abilities
• Saying that “So, it’s always about you is it?” in Tag We’re It when Ash talks about how they should work together to win. Really, he entered the tournament for “him” to power-up his Pokemon
• In the final round of the Tag Battles, Ash tells him that if they don’t work together there is no way that they can win and that they could lose. He replies “So, what if we do?!” Then after they win he is talking about how if it wasn’t for Electabuzz’s evolution then they couldn’t have won and then promptly telling Ash/Chimchar how pathetic they are and that they belong together. He also mentions how Flamethrower should have finished Heracross on the spot, but Elekid had just evolved meaning that its Thunder should have multiplied in power. However, it hit Buizel head on and it was still standing as well.

These are a few that instantly pop into my mind when I think about his appearances in the show. So, he needs to look at himself before he goes and scolds or berates others.
Who do you think contradicts themselves the most?
 
I'd have to say Ash. I mean, the kid is awesome and all, but like you said, he seems to try and push his ideals onto other trainers at times, especially to Paul always ssying that you have to love and respect pokemon.
 
I'd like to know why you feel the need to make so many threads.

Neither are hypocrites.
 
No idea what the purpose of this is at all.

Also it's not like the characters can be judged if they contradict themselves, it's the writers fault for being sloppy...or you're just looking too hard into all of this. It's a show for kids, it's not supposed to be written flawlessly.
 
I'd like to know why you feel the need to make so many threads.

Neither are hypocrites.


It’s more of a mixture between the things I have thought about for awhile and I wanted to know how others feel about certain issues. I’m just a person that likes to know what other people think on a certain matters. I’ve been watching the series since it first came out and of course there are a lot of things that I have questioned for awhile.

Does this answer your question?

To Coco:

Purpose? I like to explore the depths of characters and such in the show. I will not hesitate to say that I am an over thinker. I never said that the show should be perfect, but I was just pointing out a few characters flaws in the conflicting personalities of Ash and Paul. Especially since their rivalry is soon to come to an end.
 
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I'd like to know why you feel the need to make so many threads.

At least this isn't a Scott thread where a topic that should be common knowledge is brought up only to conclude that everything about Jotho/Misty/Sinnoh sucks.

Anyway, each character is right and wrong about different things, and this doesn't make them hypocrites. They're normal human flaws that they must overcome, just like everyone else.
 
At least this isn't a Scott thread where a topic that should be common knowledge is brought up only to conclude that everything about Jotho/Misty/Sinnoh sucks.

Anyway, each character is right and wrong about different things, and this doesn't make them hypocrites. They're normal human flaws that they must overcome, just like everyone else.

So, true perhaps a better term would have been “contradict” instead of hypocrite. It’s just that Paul and Ash have such headstrong feelings towards their own unique styles. I do get a tad bit overboard when I discuss things that I know a lot about for television shows it would be all of these cartoons that I have watched growing up.

The thing is while the shows themselves seem to be the same, I have grown up in the sense that I look at them in almost completely different ways. I think this goes for anyone who experienced something as a child, and then looks at it differently if they do it as a teen or adult. I see plenty of details and little things that I never would have noticed as a child.
 
I have seen Ash's contradictions, but I'd say Paul because of all the reasons you gave.....and I'm a little biased and I don't like Paul.

But idk if this would be contradiction with Paul, but remember how he claims Chimchar did horrible and he was lazy in battle and he's a slacker with Cynthia's Garchomp....Why did he send him out in the first place going against the champs ace pokemon?
 
But idk if this would be contradiction with Paul, but remember how he claims Chimchar did horrible and he was lazy in battle and he's a slacker with Cynthia's Garchomp....Why did he send him out in the first place going against the champs ace pokemon?
I think he was hoping (or half-hoping) that Chimchar would activate Blaze against such a powerful Pokemon.

As for the question, eh...I'm not sure.
 
I definitley have to say Paul. He changes his mind wheter it concerns him or not, and always has a different view if something happens to someone else
 
Going with Paul here. Paul considered Chimchar as weak and worthless, but Paul ends up bringing it out against stronger Pokemon anyway (to force it to activate Blaze).
 
Also, the things Ash said to Drew were quite different in the Japanese version. Drew was getting concerned because he saw May displaying superb performances during the GF and seemed worried that she'd already surpassed him. Ash told him that only a direct confrontation - in other words, a battle - can truly determine who's better, meaning that you can't judge by individual performances if Coordinator A is better than Coordinator B.

Come to think of it, a lot of those things smell like dub lines to me. Not saying that there were never contradictory instances in the Japanese version - they were definitely there.

But I'll be frank, I'd prefer it that way. People often tend to contradict themselves, even in RL. Most of the contradictions in the anime are surely accidental on the writers' part, but unintentional or not, they give those characters at least a tiny bit of realism that they usually lack IMO.

And about who contradicts himself more - dunno. I don't feel like counting every "fishy" scene and calculate the average amount of hypocrisy for both boys, but about that example you gave with "The Path to the Pokémon League"... even if Ash had said that Trainers never discuss how a Pokémon should be raised - which he never did IIRC since it really isn't like him to say such things - I'd be worried if he had the exact same views as way back in episode eight.
 
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