Why are people so harsh on Gen 1 nowadays?

[RTA fan]

I hear so many people criticizing the first generation and i never understood why. Please can someone explain it?

 

[Doormat]

Because it's trendy to hate on gen 1 these days. It used to be more common to prefer the older gens, but at least that was mostly out of genuine nostalgia and not this hipster counter culture that we see with the gen one haters. Somehow genwunners got this reputation for being obnoxious hipsters even though it's the gen 1 haters who are bashing the original Pokemon for their "lack of creativity". Yeah okay... I guess the original created Pokemon just aren't creative enough for some people. Go figure.

I for one judge Pokemon by their designs more than anything. So if a Pokemon has a bad design (like all of the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th & 6th gen Pokemon for example) then it wont win me over due to whatever lore it was based on. Just as I wont dismiss a Pokemon I like just because it's based on a random bird or something.

HAVE SOME RESPECT FOR THE GENERATION WHICH SET THE FOUNDATION FOR POKEMON PEOPLE !!! ) X

 

[Rainami]

I for one judge Pokemon by their designs more than anything. So if a Pokemon has a bad design (like all of the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th & 6th gen Pokemon for example) then it wont win me over due to whatever lore it was based on.

HAVE SOME RESPECT FOR THE GENERATION WHICH SET THE FOUNDATION FOR POKEMON PEOPLE !!! ) X

not if it means blindly disrespecting everything else lol

I think generation 1 has to be one of the more badly designed generations, it's just so boring relative to the later gens. It's also hard to respect with all the irrational fans of it running around. So many of them seem incapable of using logic. For example, back when I was in Boy Scouts I was talking to one of them. Showed him Serperior, his reasoning for why he thought it looked bad? "It looks like a girl!" Oh. Okay, so not only are you sexist, but you are apparently blind, too (Generation I has some feminine Pokemon, look at Jynx). At one point I insulted Geodude's design, and he defended it, his only logic being "it's an original!" (Just to be clear, I'm not insulting the fact that he insulted Serperior and defended Geodude, I'm insulting his reasoning for said insult and defense.) I know not all gen one people are like that, but so many of them are, and it's ridiculous.

 

[Team Gaara]

It more or less has to do with the massive amount of people defending Gen 1 as the years go by that it gets so much "hate" these days.

It seemed like around the time of Gen 5, and possibly even in Gen 4, people were getting the ideas that GAME FREAK were "running out of ideas with the new Pokemon", because they "aren't as good as the originals" or because "inanimate objects are NOT Pokemon" (despite the fact that most of the inanimate object Pokemon are from Gen 1). They then go on to proclaim that Generation 1 was the best generation because it was the original, which is simply not true in many senses. Next, the accuse every generation after the first (but, more often than not, including the 2nd) of being sh*t. So then, likewise, you have the more sensible people explaining that the older generation of Pokemon were generally more uncreative than what we have now. Stuff like, "a pile of sludge Pokemon, a Poke Ball, a balloon, rocks, etc;" those are uncreative, they argue. Then the GenOneFanboys retort that "they are original" and give next to no other reason why they are more creative than something like Chandelure or Honedge, which they would hate the sh*t out of for being based on an inanimate object, like Jigglypuff and Porygon. And after that, it generally spirals into hating the newer games themselves, and elements like new mechanics (Mega Evolution), story lines, etc. which is then defended and it is argued that Generation 1 didn't even offer anything after the main game, is glitch heavy, etc.

In general, the "hate" is actually people who are tired of the people so utterly blinded by nostalgia to accept anything else. When you do that, people are inclined to react that the older generation is not as good as it is made out to be and explain why, which some people translate as "Gen 1 hate". It's not actually hate.

 

[lovandra]

I think that not Gen 1 that peopls hate. But people who over-fanboying gen 1 games.

We have 6 generations game now and pokemon fanbase expand through generation. But most of the time gen-1 fanboys always think they are the best.

 

[Doormat]

People overrate creativity. A Pokemon can be "creative" and still be fugly you know. Some of you just hate on gen 1 to be cool imo. You can't even praise gen 1 these days without someone using the N word on you. Notsalgia that is.

 

[Rainami]

People overrate creativity. A Pokemon can be "creative" and still be fugly you know. Some of you just hate on gen 1 to be cool imo. You can't even praise gen 1 these days without someone using the N word on you. Notsalgia that is.

Every group has its idiots, including the people who think generation one is overrated. I can respect generation one for the good things it did, it wasn't totally bad. Attributing all the praise to nostalgia is silly.

I find the recent attempts at creativity to be largely successful, wheras generation one...didn't try enough, imo. There is some charm to simplicity, but only when done right.

 

[Team Gaara]

People overrate creativity. A Pokemon can be "creative" and still be fugly you know. Some of you just hate on gen 1 to be cool imo. You can't even praise gen 1 these days without someone using the N word on you. Notsalgia that is.

And a Pokemon can be original and be "fugly", too. I can just as easily say people praise the sh*t out of Gen 1 just to be cool. "If it's the 'in' thing to hate Gen 5 and be all about the nostalgia, then I'm gonna do it, too". Liking Gen 1 is fine, everyone has their opinion. But saying it's the best thing ever and that everything following it sucks...I'm not inclined to take something like that too seriously.

 

[Doormat]

Another fact: A lot of the people who ignorantly bash gen 1 were too young to play those games at the time of their release and just judge those games by their graphics.

 

[Rainami]

Another fact: A lot of the people who ignorantly bash gen 1 were too young to play those games at the time of their release and just judge those games by their graphics.

I don't think any of us here are just judging the generation based on the graphics. They were shit, but that's not what I'm referring to.

 

[Doormat]

Another fact: A lot of the people who ignorantly bash gen 1 were too young to play those games at the time of their release and just judge those games by their graphics.

I don't think any of us here are just judging the generation based on the graphics. They were shit, but that's not what I'm referring to.

First off, language! Secondly I wasn't talking about anyone directly. I'm talking about most of the gen 1 haters that I have come across. Yes you could say I'm generalizing but so are the both of you when you talk about people who prefer gen 1.

Anyways back to my point. I'm in the minority of people these days who prefer gen 1. I'm not a genwunner though, I'm a gen 1 warrior. Because I like the first generation the most and I'm not afraid to stand up to bullies who make fun of the older pokemon. Older pokemon are pokemon too guys. Have some respect and stop being haters!

 

[Team Gaara]

Anyways back to my point. I'm in the minority of people these days who prefer gen 1. I'm not a genwunner though, I'm a gen 1 warrior. Because I like the first generation the most and I'm not afraid to stand up to bullies who make fun of the older pokemon. Older pokemon are pokemon too guys. Have some respect and stop being haters!

And newer Pokemon are Pokemon, too, right? The don't deserve to be made fun of either, don't you think? And yet you said:

So if a Pokemon has a bad design (like all of the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th & 6th gen Pokemon for example) then it wont win me over due to whatever lore it was based on.

Why do older Pokemon deserve more respect than newer ones (of which you named EVERY Pokemon after Mew)? That's the kind of stuff I'm talking about. I find it hard not to generalize when statements like that are made, dismissing every single Pokemon after Gen 1 as horrible, and over glorifying the originals. How is that not being a hater?

 

[Doormat]

And newer Pokemon are Pokemon, too, right? The don't deserve to be made fun of either, don't you think? And yet you said:

So if a Pokemon has a bad design (like all of the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th & 6th gen Pokemon for example) then it wont win me over due to whatever lore it was based on.

Why do older Pokemon deserve more respect than newer ones (of which you named EVERY Pokemon after Mew)? That's the kind of stuff I'm talking about. I find it hard not to generalize when statements like that are made, dismissing every single Pokemon after Gen 1 as horrible, and over glorifying the originals. How is that not being a hater?

I'm just fighting fire with fire. You guys and many others think the original pokemon are unoriginal, well I think that the newer Pokemon are fugly monstrosities. So deal with it!

Also @Neosquid I find it pretty petty that you're taking shots at the graphics of the original games considering the technology they had to work with at the time. But I guess gen 1 haterz gonna hate.

 

[Team Gaara]

I'm just fighting fire with fire. You guys think the original pokemon are unoriginal and I think the newer Pokemon are fugly monstrosities.

Also @Neosquid I find it pretty petty that you're taking shots at the graphics of the original games considering the technology they had to work with at the time. But I guess gen 1 haterz gonna hate.

First of all, when did I ever say I found the original 151 unoriginal? In my first post, I was directly answering the OP's question and stated that some people find the original 151 uncreative in response to the same claims about newer Pokemon. I never said I did; though there are some that are uncreative, I didn't say they were terrible. This is what I meant in my first post; this is not Gen 1 hate, yet you receive it as such.

Secondly, you didn't answer my question. Why is it that you advocate all of this respect for the originals by claiming that "they are Pokemon, too" and yet you have a completely different attitude for every other Pokemon? Even if you don't like a certain Pokemon, as does everyone, why does the "they're still Pokemon, too" argument, not apply? .

 

[Doormat]

I'm just fighting fire with fire. You guys think the original pokemon are unoriginal and I think the newer Pokemon are fugly monstrosities.

Also @Neosquid I find it pretty petty that you're taking shots at the graphics of the original games considering the technology they had to work with at the time. But I guess gen 1 haterz gonna hate.

First of all, when did I ever say I found the original 151 unoriginal? In my first post, I was directly answering the OP's question and stated that some people find the original 151 uncreative in response to the same claims about newer Pokemon. I never said I did; though there are some that are uncreative, I didn't say they were terrible. This is what I meant in my first post; this is not Gen 1 hate, yet you receive it as such.

A quote from you. Notice the bold in particular

They then go on to proclaim that Generation 1 was the best generation because it was the original, which is simply not true in many senses. Next, the accuse every generation after the first (but, more often than not, including the 2nd) of being sh*t. So then, likewise, you have the more sensible people explaining that the older generation of Pokemon were generally more uncreative than what we have now. Stuff like, "a pile of sludge Pokemon, a Poke Ball, a balloon, rocks, etc;" those are uncreative, they argue.

You're pretty much implying it if not downright saying it here. Referring to those who called the older generation of Pokemon more uncreative as "sensible". Right here is where you took a side so I don't know why you're backtracking on your statements now. If that's your opinion then that's your opinion but don't pretend to be unbiased after saying that.

Secondly, you didn't answer my question. Why is it that you advocate all of this respect for the originals by claiming that "they are Pokemon, too" and yet you have a completely different attitude for every other Pokemon? Even if you don't like a certain Pokemon, as does everyone, why does the "they're still Pokemon, too" argument, not apply? .

I'm not saying that you can't dislike gen 1 Pokemon. I'd respect gen 1 haters more if they just said they thought they were ugly or something like that. I just think that most people are being ludicrous when they complain about gen 1 not being creative enough. Pretty much every Pokemon is based off an animal, object or something from a particular lore. Why not judge a Pokemon based on the way they look instead of acting like a Pokemon that is based on something more complex makes them better?

I just have a problem with the hipsters who hate gen 1 for not being creative enough, not every person who dislikes gen 1 Pokemon.

 

[Norzan]

Because of the blinded by nostalgia fans who think Gen 1 was the only good gen, i'm grateful that it started the series but saying it's the best gen and every gen following it's garbage is an outright lie, it's severely flawed when compared to the following generations.

Also the blind bashing of the newer pokemon by saying "hurr durr Gen 5 sucks because it has an ice cream, a trash bag and a chandelier hurr durr", while Gen 1 has the lovely rock with eyes and arms, a hooker, a clown, a body builder in a speedo, a palm tree with faces which somehow evolves from eggs, a pokeball with eyes (seriously how did this pass through? this like making a new enemy for the Legend of Zelda and it's a Triforce with eyes), a pile of shit, a floating gas ball, a dick coming out of the ground that somehow evolves into three dicks, a magnet that somehow evolve into three magnets (how are these two evolutions if they are just three of the previous stage), spaghetti with shoes, a seal with a...horn (how creative) and a baloon, there are others but you get the point. Ok all gens have their fair share of uncreative pokemon but saying that an entire Gen sucks because of five or six pokemon is damn stupid.

 

[Ambipom666]

I feel a lot of this so-called harshness is a knee-jerk response to fans who like Generation I and bash the older generations. I've seen many people - on sites such as Facebook and YouTube, and just people I talk to - bash Pokémon of recent Generations for being lazy and uninspired. These same people adore the original 151 Pokémon, which I think nostalgia plays a part in. This idea that Game Freak has suddenly become a lot less creative in its creations over the past few Gens doesn't really make sense to me, so when one of my friends says something along those lines, I feel almost obligated to argue that Gen 1 Pokémon aren't all that creative either, at least no more so than Pokémon from the past few Gens. I'm sure others feel the same.

So yeah, when people say that the more recent games are lazy and uncreative because we have Pokémon based off ice cream, garbage, or cotton candy, and that the franchise was so much better back in Gen 1, or even Gen 2 or Gen 3, I can't help but feel that a lot of Gen 1 Pokémon are uncreative too.

On this forum, there aren't too many people (relatively) who like Gen 1 while bashing the later Gens, which is probably because Bulbagarden keeps up with all the latest entries to the franchise, but just go on other sites that aren't Pokémon-centric, or talk to people who enjoyed the franchise back in its heyday, and you'll probably encounter lots of them.

Also, some people probably just prefer the other generations. Gen 1 probably is my least favorite of the gens, not because it's bad, but just because I like the other gens more. I enjoy a good story in the games, so I am pretty partial to the later gens which I think delivered well on that front. But that's just me.

 

[lovandra]

I think you can't call original as uncreative. I mean everything come after original of course will effort in more creativity that the original they based on too.

Original can't be more creative than newer version cause they are original. But that not make them 'uncreative'.

Also... I'm not a gen 1 fan, I'm more generation 2 fan, maybe, gen 6 also fabulous. But I respect them as original. I also hate when someone overatted the gen 1. But underatted them also bad...

I mean if gen 1 don't exsis. There won't be gen 2-6.

 

[Doormat]

Because of the blinded by nostalgia fans who think Gen 1 was the only good gen, i'm grateful that it started the series but saying it's the best gen is an outright lie, it's severely flawed when compared to the following generations.

Also the blind bashing of the newer pokemon by saying "hurr durr Gen 5 sucks because it has an ice cream, a trash bag and a chandelier hurr durr", while Gen 1 has the lovely rock with eyes and arms, a hooker, a clown, a body builder in a speedo, a palm tree with faces which somehow evolve from eggs, a pokeball with eyes (seriously how did this pass through? this like making a new enemy for the Legend of Zelda and it's a Triforce with eyes), a pile of shit, a floating gas ball, a dick coming out of the ground that somehow evolves into three dicks, a magnet that somehow evolve into three magnets (how are these two evolutions if they are just three of the previous stage), spaghetti with shoes, a seal with a...horn (how creative) and a baloon. Ok all gens have their fair share of uncreative pokemon but saying Gen 1 is the best in terms of designs is an outright lie.

How can an opinion be a lie? You say we're blinded by nostalgia but after reading your immature summations of the gen 1 Pokemon it seems you're blinded by hatred. For both the Pokemon and the people who prefer them over the newer ones.

Anyway lucky for you guys I have to watch Mad Men instead of defending the best generation that Pokemon has ever seen. So with that I bid you adieu...


GEN ONE NEVER DIE !!! ) X

 

[Team Gaara]

You're pretty much implying it if not downright saying it here. Referring to those who called the older generation of Pokemon more uncreative as "sensible". Right here is where you took a side so I don't know why you're backtracking on your statements now. If that's your opinion then that's your opinion but don't pretend to be unbiased after saying that.

Not so. As I said before, I was explaining the situation to the OP, in that there are people who explain that there are uncreative Pokemon in the original 151 to those who hate on all of the newer ones because they lack the alleged creativity of the originals. I didn't take a side at all, nor did I ever say I found the original 151 uncreative. If that's the way you see it, then fine, but please don't put words into my mouth.

I'm not saying that you can't dislike gen 1 Pokemon. I'd respect gen 1 haters more if they just said they thought they were ugly or something like that. I just think that most people are being ludicrous when they complain about gen 1 not being creative enough. Pretty much every Pokemon is based off an animal, object or something from a particular lore. Why not judge a Pokemon based on the way they look instead of acting like a Pokemon that is based on something more complex makes them better?

I just have a problem with the hipsters who hate gen 1 for not being creative enough, not every person who dislikes gen 1 Pokemon.

You're still labeling them as Gen 1 haters, though. Why? Also, not everyone hates a Pokemon because they think it's ugly. I love Hawlucha's design, but I hate the Pokemon, for example. They may genuinely consider them uncreative as there are for Pokemon from every generation. So why is it okay for people to say that the newer Pokemon aren't creative enough (or are ugly), but not the older ones? That's why people feel the need to point out the flaws of the originals, which leads other people to receive it as "Gen 1 hate", when it really isn't.

I don't care if someone likes or dislikes a certain Pokemon or generation of Pokemon. But the argument is not that Gen 1 Pokemon are "not creative enough" it is that a lot of them are just as "uncreative" as some of the newer ones that get more hate than the older ones simply because they are newer. Let's just say Grimer is uncreative as an example. It is simply a pile of sludge. Everyone is fine with it because they grew up with it and no one really cared back then, so they don't see it as uncreative. Well, now we have Trubbish, which is similar; a bag of garbage. All of a sudden, Trubbish is labeled as uncreative, but not Grimer, who is very similar. Both are more or less trash, but the Gen 1 Pokemon will never get accused of such or hated on because it is original and nostalgic. This is the case between many "genwunners" and "Gen 1 Haters".

I don't even think it's that these "haters" dislike Gen 1 Pokemon. They acknowledge their opinions on lack of creativity from every region, rather than giving Gen 1 an easier time just because they are the original ones; they like some, they dislike some. As do fans of Gen 1. As you hate hipsters who hate Gen 1 for not being creative enough, "Gen 1 haters" dislike people who hate on all later generations for being garbage just because they are newer, while praising Gen 1 for being the best with little real argument other than being original.