Why are they doing this?

[JaimeHunter]

To all my fellow Pokemon fans: Why is Nintendo doing this? I am so sick and tired of them creating new and uglier Pokemon every year and popping out a new pair of video games with the exact same plot as all its predecesors. I think it's time to stop making up new Pokemon and maybe create a Pokemon video game with a theme other than collecting gym badges.

 

[Orion]

1. Nintendo doesn't make Pokemon. Game Freak does.

2. The Pokemon continue to get better looking each Gen. Gens I and II had some really poorly designed Pokemon. They were too cute. No one likes cute Pokemon.

3. Game Freak has to appeal to newer players in order to keep sales up.

 

[Shiny Porygon]

*inb4locking*

B2/W2, as sequels to B/W, are hardly formulaic. Plotwise, they have apparently no real relation to B/W (AFAWK). And there are plenty of spin-off games not involving badge-collecting - well, the main series is hardly just that either.

/trollfed

 

[Jenni]

The story does change from game to game, the basic "collect badges, beat champion" thing sticks, but each game has villians (team rocket, team plasma etc) who have their own goals and motives, which differ from gen to gen, while keeping similarities to the other 'evil' teams of past games.
As for the designs, it's your opinion that they get uglier. Personally, I love seeing what new designs each generation brings. Some of them I don't like (I'm not a fan of vanillish) but some of them I'm rather fond of (Like trubbish) and even the ones that I think are rather mediocre looking (like munna) are at least something new, which is welcome, but they keep the old designs somewhat available as well, so I can still use and gather my old favourites.
Not all the pokemon are cute, not all are ugly, there is a huge range of looks and styles, which I love. most of my favourites are, admittedly, first gen pokemon, but I don't think the designs have gotten any worse over the years. If anything, they seem to be consistently appealing to me.

 

[Xenidal]

To all my fellow Pokemon fans: Why is Nintendo doing this? I am so sick and tired of them creating new and uglier Pokemon every year and popping out a new pair of video games with the exact same plot as all its predecesors. I think it's time to stop making up new Pokemon and maybe create a Pokemon video game with a theme other than collecting gym badges.

I agree, but here's why it's done:
New Pokémon - the game would be old / less interesting if we had the exact same 150 monsters as Generation I for all 5+ generations.
New Pokémon are uglier - they are running out of ideas. You can't keep adding a set of 100+ new monsters each time and have each of them be just as cool / cooler than the previous ones. This is the reason why most movie sequels (that were not planned out from the beginning) aren't as good as the original... all the good ideas get used up.
Plot - Ever since Generation II the Pokémon plot has followed a strict formula of 8 gyms, 4 elite four members, and 1 champion. I would personally find it interesting if they deviated from that concept, however, it's not going to happen. At least not now when people are still buying the games as if nothing's wrong. Maybe they'd reconsider if the sales suddenly dropped, but that probably won't happen. The other thing is that each new generation is targetted toward previous players as well as new players. Keeping the plot exactly the same won't seem "old" to any new players, and they probably figure that previous players liked the plot as it was so they have no need to change it. There are side-games that follow different plots / ideas, but the side games are never as good as the main games.

 

[Zeb]

C'mon guys, if you think someone is trolling just report it instead of spamming the thread. Posts have been deleted as they were pointless posts.

Also, can we stay away from flaming people who suggest ideas we don't like. Just because the OP wants to move away from the regular gym theme and stop introducing new pokemon doesn't give anyone the right to flame. They're putting forward something for a discussion.

Let's be respectful to one another's opinions.

 

[Kyo~]

2. The Pokemon continue to get better looking each Gen. Gens I and II had some really poorly designed Pokemon. They were too cute. No one likes cute Pokemon.

So gens 1 and 2 (strange you didn't throw 3 in since it's also "nostalgia-tier") have bad mons because they're all CUTE? If anything, they have /less/ cute stuff than the others.

 

[Envoy]

Game Freak makes these games, not Nintendo.

Pokemon design is all up to opinion. I think the newer Gens have introduced more well designed Pokemon than the older Gens did.

Why fix something that ain't broken? If it makes money, then keep doing it.

2. The Pokemon continue to get better looking each Gen. Gens I and II had some really poorly designed Pokemon. They were too cute. No one likes cute Pokemon.

I like cute Pokemon.

 

[Lief Katano]

Am I the only guy who agrees (partially) with this guy? Really, only the fact that Black and White lacked luster. So yeah.
Disliking Pokemon because they are cute is bad. Some girls are only in it for cute Pokemon.
I think.

 

[Mistbound]

Spoiler

The new Pokemon are no more adorable or ugly or lacking in creativity than the first generation. Jynx, Magneton, Electrode, Eggsecute, Weezing, Dunsparce, Mr. Mime, Muk, Likitung. These Pokemon and their evolutions are ugly and/or uncreative by the same standards people criticize the new generations. Yet you accept them as cannon. Your argument is flawed and you're too afraid of change. I'd welcome criticism about a lot in the Pokemon world and games, but the "New Pokemon are so uncreative" one is just silly.

Besides, a lot of real life animals are ugly too.

Spoiler

 

[Ghetsis-Dennis]

Not this again...

The new Pokemon aren't inferior to the previous ones, you're getting old/outgrowing the franchise. Not every Pokemon is suppose to look as basic as those from the first two gens, and there's a need for ugly Pokemon to balance off with the good-looking Pokemon. And as for the complaint about the strict formula, I don't see you complaining about Mario and Zelda following their own strict formula.

 

[Orion]

Not this again...

The new Pokemon aren't inferior to the previous ones, you're getting old/outgrowing the franchise. Not every Pokemon is suppose to look as basic as those from the first two gens, and there's a need for ugly Pokemon to balance off with the good-looking Pokemon. And as for the complaint about the strict formula, I don't see you complaining about Mario and Zelda following their own strict formula.

That's because Zelda is badass.

 

[Envoy]

The person or the franchise? Doesn't matter. They're both epic.

 

[Pride]

C'mon guys, stay on topic >.<

Yeah, I personally disliked a lot of the Unova Pokémon, except some, such as the Deino family, Snivy family, Tynamo family, Litwick family, Axew family, Solosis family, Scraggy family, and so on. But a lot of them were ugly or uncreative.

I personally think that the Pokémon designs didn't particularly drop until Sinnoh, however, a lot of Sinnoh Pokémon did look very good.

Kanto obviously started it all, Johto took upon itself to sort of build upon Kanto, Hoenn had very cool and diverse looking Pokémon, Sinnoh had a little of a drop but still looked pretty good, but Unova...no.

 

[Jenni]

An after thought.
You do realize if you do honestly dislike the games, or the direction they are heading, etc, no one is forcing you to buy them, right?
If you think the game peaked at gen 1 or 2, then you're more than free to play those games and never touch the later ones. If the games continue to sell well following their formula, then game freak has no reason to deviate farther from it than they feel appropriate. You may be unhappy with the games formula, or the design choices, but the games still have a large following, so game freak must be doing something right - the franchise is a huge success.

I wouldn't say it's perfect. There are some things that are getting old, and some designs I am not a fan of, etc. but really, if I ever stop enjoying the games, I'll just stop playing them, and if the fans really want them to change that much, then the best way to get that point across is to speak with their wallets. If the games start to lose buyers, then the company behind them will have to take notice.

 

[Sir Turtlelot]

I somewhat agree with the OP. Until BW, I really felt that pokemon designs were overall getting worse each generation. I will admit that part of it was initially nostalgia-fueled, though even after I got past that, I still preferred the simple designs of gens 1 and 2 over 3 and 4. Granted a lot of pokemon I initially didn't like eventually began to grow on me. However, I felt that BW broke this, for me anyways. Instead of there being a handful of designs that I really liked, there were only a few designs that I really didn't like.

I don't mind the stories being a bit repetitive, since you're more or less going on the same adventure, but just in someone else's shoes. Though, I'm not the biggest fan of the trend that RS set with having the story center around the mascot legendary and the villainous team always trying to capture it. I would also prefer to not deviate from the standard setup of 8 gyms then the E4 and Champion. I'm okay with adding more side activities, but I wouldn't want them to replace the main part of the game.

 

[VirtualAnomaly]

The games are fine the way they are. The stories (in my opinion) just continue to get better and better. I thoroughly enjoyed the B/W storyline, because some of the characters actually had a background to them.

If they change too much, people will stop playing Pokemon. Game Freak knows this, so they keep the basic gameplay elements the same while adding stuff that makes the game more fun/challenging.

 

[voicerocker]

To all my fellow Pokemon fans: Why is Nintendo doing this? I am so sick and tired of them creating new and uglier Pokemon every year and popping out a new pair of video games with the exact same plot as all its predecesors. I think it's time to stop making up new Pokemon and maybe create a Pokemon video game with a theme other than collecting gym badges.

New Pokemon - As I said in another thread, Yu-gi-oh and Digimon have FAR many creatures than Pokemon and no one tells them they need to stop. There are also many more than just 649 species of animals on this Earth.

Same Plot - The overall plot (beat the bad guys, battle gyms, Elite 4 and become Champion) has been the same for 17 years, yet new and old fans still buy each new game that is released. If the same formula has been successful for that long, why change it?

And there ARE Pokemon games out there that don't focus on gym battles or even catching the Pokemon. PokePark is out there, Pokemon Ranger, Mystery Dungeon, Trozei...so yes, there are other options out there for people who don't like the main series. But that doesn't mean that they have to change the main series either.

 

[Kyo~]

Y'all aware that OP is probably not returning, except to laugh at some of your posts, right?

E: two days later, OP still hasn't logged in, people keep (poorly) trying to defend against OP's post. Hilarious.

 

[Xenidal]

New Pokemon - As I said in another thread, Yu-gi-oh and Digimon have FAR many creatures than Pokemon and no one tells them they need to stop. There are also many more than just 649 species of animals on this Earth.

I can't explain Digimon, but Yu-Gi-Oh! makes sense as it's a man-made card game and the monsters don't correspond to any actual monsters in the world so the options are endless (yeah, I know that in the story some of them are based on the souls of Egyptian priests and monsters from the shadow games, but obviously others were entirely made up by Pegasus, so there is no limit to the number he can design... what wouldn't make sense would be if they showed a complete list of all the Egyptian monsters and then afterwards decided to add a new one).
Pokémon isn't like that... I know that some are regional but in Generation I it was stated "there are only 150 Pokémon", not "150 Pokémon in this region". Earlier anime episodes showed Ho-Oh, Togepi, Marill, and Snubbull to be "newly discovered Pokémon", not "Pokémon from a different region". This is most likely due to bad planning (the concept of region-exclusive Pokémon was probably not developed yet but they probably figured "wouldn't it be strange for 100 unknown Pokémon to suddenly end up discovered?" so they changed it).
As for more than 649 species of animals... for one thing, no one knows if Pokémon is a kingdom or something more specific like a family or a genus or a species... you can say "there are more than 649 species of animals" but you can't say "there are more than 649 breeds of cat" or "there are more than 649 species of animals in the family Nautilidae".
Also the difference between animals and Pokémon is that in one region we know about animals from other regions... for example, I live in America where there are no elephants, yet I know that there is a such thing as an elephant in Africa and India. It isn't always like that in Pokémon... people from Unova do know about Kanto-exclusive Pokémon, but people from Kanto don't know about Unova-exclusive Pokémon. Again, this is due to bad planning (or maybe not even bad, but the very nature of adding new Pokémon makes it nearly impossible not to create any form of plot-holes or the like)

Y'all aware that OP is probably not returning, except to laugh at some of your posts, right?

Maybe... it doesn't really seem like she's trolling though (as someone could easily make a legitimate claim stating pretty much the same ideas), but that 1 post post-count does look a little suspicious.