Why can Ash beat Nando, but not Dawn?

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I find it absolutely sexist that everyone keeps saying it's alright for Dawn to lose in her GF against Nando, but for Ash to beat him.

Ash does have more experience, but IMO, he's just DEM.

Not to bash him, but I just don't like the way he rolls.

I really want Dawn to own everyone at the Grand Festival, and I don't see why no one else does.

Dawn rocks, Ash does sometimes, only when he uses Pikachu, IMO.

Gliscor getting released should prove Ash isn't worthy, since he followed Paul's method.

This is all opinion, not fact, but I just think it's so sexist.
 
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Kengo said:
Ash does have more experience
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You just answered your own question. Eveyone's probably losing to Nando in the GF, including guys like Kenny, so its not sexist...at all.
 
It's not sexist, people just don't expect Dawn to win. Plus they like Nando's character better. But the anime has set up Ash to beat the league and challenge the E4. So Ash has to beat Nando.

Also, I don't see how releasing Gliscor proved Ash isn't worthy as Ash has released Pokemon before. Plus I hate Dawn's character.

Also, if you want this thread to be taken seriously, you might want to consider changing your avatar.
 
Because let's put it this way, everyone expect Ash Vs. Paul in the league.

How the hell is he going to get up to Paul if he loses to Nando before?
 
Kengo said:
I find it absolutely sexist that everyone keeps saying it's alright for Dawn to lose in her GF against Nando, but for Ash to beat him.
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Nando did beat Dawn before, while Ash beat him even though his Budew evolved into Roselia.

Besides two different goals, why should they even be compared? Nando beating Dawn but losing to Ash are two entirely different circumstances.

Dawn could probably beat Ash in contest battles, but Ash would likely cream her if it was a normal battle.

Scott85 said:
Because let's put it this way, everyone expect Ash Vs. Paul in the league.

How the hell is he going to get up to Paul if he loses to Nando before?
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Not to mention if Ash beats Paul, then it's going to make Nando look superior to Paul (if Nando does manage to beat Ash), and that really can't happen. Paul is supposed to be the strongest of Ash's rivals. If Ash loses, let it be some -son girl after Ash reaches Top 4 or Second Place (by beating Paul).
 
while I respect your opinion on Ash and Dawn, guess some feel Ash is a lot more experinced in battles than Dawn is. Dawn's still a newbie and only knows contests, Ash knows how to do both contests moves and battles. It doesn't matter whether you like one character more than the other, it matters on who knows what more than the other. Nando knows what Ash does, Dawn like I said only knows one thing and that's contests only. She needs to learn how to battle the same style both Ash and Nando does in order to beat Nando, he could use his battle style agianst Dawn to win too.
 
dman_dustin said:
Nando did beat Dawn before, while Ash beat him even though his Budew evolved into Roselia.

Besides two different goals, why should they even be compared? Nando beating Dawn but losing to Ash are two entirely different circumstances.

Dawn could probably beat Ash in contest battles, but Ash would likely cream her if it was a normal battle.

Not to mention if Ash beats Paul, then it's going to make Nando look superior to Paul (if Nando does manage to beat Ash), and that really can't happen. Paul is supposed to be the strongest of Ash's rivals. If Ash loses, let it be some -son girl after Ash reaches Top 4 or Second Place (by beating Paul).
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This makes no sense to me since Dawn went through so much more, and you're telling me Ash deserves more?

Ash released Gliscor and talks badly about Paul, he's a hypocrite.

Barry and Conway IMO, are more deserving.

I'm done...for now.
 
Kengo said:
This makes no sense to me since Dawn went through so much more, and you're telling me Ash deserves more?

Ash released Gliscor and talks badly about Paul, he's a hypocrite.

Barry and Conway IMO, are more deserving.

I'm done...for now.
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Ash has been through more than Dawn. Try three entire Pokémon League tourneys plus the Orange League and one Battle Frontier. Dawn hasn't even done one Grand Festival yet. Ash deserves to do better than Dawn, because Ash actually has experience.

Ash has done some things similar to what he criticised Paul for, granted, but he didn't release Gliscor. He gave it to someone else for training, which it wanted. He's not genuinely released a Pokémon since Larvitar. If Larvitar even counts.
 
Ash: 13 years, 6 regions, stronger Pokemon

Dawn: 4 years, 1 region, good Pokemon, but not as strong as Ash's.
 
This isn't exactly a troll thread, it's more of whiny, illogical rant about things that make no sense.

Ash talks bad about Paul because while they do train their teams hard, Ash is compassionate, caring, and kind. He also gives them praise. Paul doesn't. Ash has released many pokemon in the past for their own good. The pokemon even got to choose. So, how you can call ash a hypocrite is illogical.
 
Didn't Ash already beat Nando in his first ep? Its been so long I've forgotten.
 
PanicAttack said:
Ash has done some things similar to what he criticised Paul for, granted,
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Not really, Paul released Pokemon because he deemed them weak or weren't what he had in my mind.

Every time Ash released a Pokemon it was because of their benefit. Not only that but because said Pokemon wanted to (or else Ash would still have said Pokemon).

Butterfree- To mate

Primeape- Because...um... it wanted to be a better fighter? (at the very least Primeape didn't refuse)

Pidgeot- For the protection of the Pidgey and Pidgeotto (because that's what Pidgeot wanted)

Lapras- Because Ash made a promise to reunite it with his family.

"Charizard" - Because Charizard wanted to stay and get stronger

"Squirtle" - Because it wanted to be part of the Squirtle Squad again.

Larvitar- Because he was supposed to bring it back to its home.

Gliscor- Because Gliscor wanted to stay and become stronger.

The only Pokemon ever, that Ash "released" just because was basically Beedrill, since he gave it to Casey without bonding with it, but I'm not sure that counts too much seeing as how he gave it to someone to cheer them up.

I know Charizard and Squirtle don't really count, which is why they're in parenthesis but keep in mind Ash technically had the thought of "releasing" them just like the other Pokemon.
 
What I don't understand is how can a show like Pokemon of all things be sexist. Does the OP know Ash is the main character of Pokemon anime?
 
The writers did so cause they can, and if you find it sexist, thats your own see things where there isn't anything problem.
 
ιиsσмиιαc said:
What I don't understand is how can a show like Pokemon of all things be sexist. Does the OP know Ash is the main character of Pokemon anime?
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Well, the whole Nando issue I won't say is sexist (other than the fact that Contests and Battles are two entirely different things [which was implied since AG], there is also experience to take into account [Dawn hadn't even participated in her first contest yet, never mind her first grand festival when she fought Nando. Ash, on the other hand, had participated in exactly 28 Gyms, 5 leagues (The Orange Islands and Whirl Cup count as leagues), and a Battle Frontier, winning or at least participating in some of them. Now, if Ash and Dawn had equal experience and yet people still hoped that he would beat Nando and Dawn would lose, then yes, that would be sexist.].

However, INSOMNIAC (sorry, don't know how to use that text of yours), that doesn't mean that this show isn't sexist as a whole. The male protagonists in the show stay while they only replace the Female protagonists (Even IF they can't replace Ash due to his being the so-called star of the show [which I doubt seeing how they are all listed as stars/heroes somewhere or another, whether it be the Narrator at times or on official/fan websites.], they could still replace Brock, either way, even with his getting stale.). Another thing to note is that the ex-director (which, BTW, his word is law when he worked at the studio as a director) explicitly stated that they started the girl-switch in an attempt to get more eyecandy from the audience. Those reasons and actions, in themselves, are sexist.
 
Ash beat Dawn in Hearhome's tournament/. It was a regular victory.
 
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