Why do you think Ash's Kanto and Hoenn Pokemon got favortism from the writers?

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Is anyone beginning to notice that Ash's Kanto and Hoenn Pokemon are the only teams to get the more than 1 region and multiple leagues?

- Ash's Kanto and Hoenn teams are the only two to get an entire league to themselves. The Kanto team got the entire Indigo league and Orange League (obviously), and the Hoenn team got the entire Hoenn league to themselves. Meanwhile both the Johto and Sinnoh teams have to share the leagues with Ash's older Pokemon. Johto especially got shafted as Bulba/Squirtle/Charizard starred in the Johto league, while Sinnoh should get more and the Paul battle.

- Both Ash's Kanto and Hoenn Pokemon dominated the Battle Frontier. Nearly all of the Frontier Brains were beaten by Ash's Kanto and Hoenn Pokemon, with only Heracross/Donphan there to represent Johto.

- Ash's Kanto and Hoenn teams are the only ones to stick around for more than one region. Bulbasaur/Squirtle/Charizard were there for Kanto, Orange and the beginning of Johto. Ash's Hoenn Pokemon, sans Torkoal/Glalie, were there for both Hoenn and Kanto Battle Frontier. Meanwhile the Johto and Sinnoh teams only get 1 region each.

- Ash's Hoenn team was his fastest evolving team in the series, while Ash's Sinnoh Pokemon took forever to evolve. Meanwhile the Kanto team remained strong without evolving, unlike the Johto team.


I like Ash's Sinnoh team a lot, but it really surprises me that the writers delayed their evo's for so late and are now taking screentime away from them in the league. I hope the Paul battle is all Sinnoh + Gliscor.
 
Gliscor'd said:
Is anyone beginning to notice that Ash's Kanto and Hoenn Pokemon are the only teams to get the more than 1 region and multiple leagues?

- Ash's Kanto and Hoenn teams are the only two to get an entire league to themselves. The Kanto team got the entire Indigo league and Orange League (obviously), and the Hoenn team got the entire Hoenn league to themselves. Meanwhile both the Johto and Sinnoh teams have to share the leagues with Ash's older Pokemon. Johto especially got shafted as Bulba/Squirtle/Charizard starred in the Johto league, while Sinnoh should get more and the Paul battle.

- Both Ash's Kanto and Hoenn Pokemon dominated the Battle Frontier. Nearly all of the Frontier Brains were beaten by Ash's Kanto and Hoenn Pokemon, with only Heracross/Donphan there to represent Johto.

- Ash's Kanto and Hoenn teams are the only ones to stick around for more than one region. Bulbasaur/Squirtle/Charizard were there for Kanto, Orange and the beginning of Johto. Ash's Hoenn Pokemon, sans Torkoal/Glalie, were there for both Hoenn and Kanto Battle Frontier. Meanwhile the Johto and Sinnoh teams only get 1 region each.

- Ash's Hoenn team was his fastest evolving team in the series, while Ash's Sinnoh Pokemon took forever to evolve. Meanwhile the Kanto team remained strong without evolving, unlike the Johto team.


I like Ash's Sinnoh team a lot, but it really surprises me that the writers delayed their evo's for so late and are now taking screentime away from them in the league. I hope the Paul battle is all Sinnoh + Gliscor.
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Johto was seen as more of an extension, so less emphasis was put into it. Shame too, as it might happen again with this looming over our heads: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/DP182
 
I think you raise a really interesting point here. Given to the fact that we haven't seen anything of the reunion episode or the league itself we don't know which pokemon will be showcased the most. Its possible that because of the fact that HGSS were released this generation that his Johto pokemon will be showcased the most other than his Sinnoh team because the writers made the horrible decision to not include the Battle Frontier this time around. Another reason they included the sum of Ash's training thus far is that the last time he did so he improved his stature within the league its possible this may happen again with his reserves.
 
hyperbeamit said:
I think you raise a really interesting point here. Given to the fact that we haven't seen anything of the reunion episode or the league itself we don't know which pokemon will be showcased the most. Its possible that because of the fact that HGSS were released this generation that his Johto pokemon will be showcased the most other than his Sinnoh team because the writers made the horrible decision to not include the Battle Frontier this time around. Another reason they included the sum of Ash's training thus far is that the last time he did so he improved his stature within the league its possible this may happen again with his reserves.
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Also, wouldn't using his reserves contradict his way of thinking when he started his Sinnoh journey? You know, starting over like in Hoenn? I know Aipom tagged along, but Ash still could've called his others at any time during the show but he didn't. Why would he do that now?
 
As said, there is no BF this time. So if Ash doesn't use his older Pokemon in the league, we won't see them at all in DP. And since its been nearly 200 eps since Ash used older Pokemon, its time again.
 
It was all just a coincedence, dude. There's no BF this time so there's nowhere else to have old Pokemon this saga. And you already know about how every last bit of Generation II was overshadowed by Kanto. It wasn't deliberate, it was just tweeking the formula until they got it right. Also, that evo stuff is totally subjective. Grovyle evolving so late meaning Sceptile hardly did anything anyone? Compared to Infernape and Torterra who are getting a Gym and a League....
 
It just seems to me the Kanto and Hoenn Pokemon were treated like God's by the writers, whereas Sinnoh was close but didn't get glorified as much, and Johto was...well we know.
 
Gible said:
and let's remember that that's your perspective and only your perspective.
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Will you honestly say they haven't been glorified? The Sinnoh team got some great screentime and focus, but they're still only getting one region and not even a whole league to themselves.
 
Hoenn got it because he did not bring any Pokemon over to the region. Thus, overexposure compared to his Johto Pokies.
 
Gliscor'd said:
Will you honestly say they haven't been glorified?
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Yes, they were never treated like gods, I don't see where you're getting that from.

The Sinnoh team got some great screentime and focus, but they're still only getting one region and not even a whole league to themselves.
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True, but in that one region, the Sinnoh team has gotten more focus as Pikachu has taken much more of a backseat than in previous regions, giving them room to grow. All of the Sinnoh pokes have gotten personality, storyline and great battles. Infernape has gotten more character developpement and personality than Ash's entire Kanto team... not that it was particulary difficult.
 
Interesting observation. Maybe it's because the writers wanted Ash to battle with the Pokemon he already caught in the region he's in.
 
Gible said:
Yes, they were never treated like gods, I don't see where you're getting that from.
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They're given the biggest accomplishments and multiple leagues. Although the DP Pokemon + Gliscor will have the honor of beating Paul.

True, but in that one region, the Sinnoh team has gotten more focus as Pikachu has taken much more of a backseat than in previous regions, giving them room to grow. All of the Sinnoh pokes have gotten personality, storyline and great battles. Infernape has gotten more character developpement and personality than Ash's entire Kanto team... not that it was particulary difficult.
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The Sinnoh team was handled well, but the pacing was not. The evolutions saved for the tail-end of the saga was a horrible decision. It was almost like Sinnoh was Ash battling with cute unevolved Pokemon again for 80% of it.

Likewise most of the DP Pokemon lost their personality as DP progressed. Personality-wise I found them boring somewhere around the 100th episode, simply because most of them are now just battle machines. Gliscor and Monferno were the only exceptions, and now Gible.
 
Gliscor'd said:
They're given the biggest accomplishments and multiple leagues.
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The Kanto team may have leagues, but the Johto team, especially Cyndaquil has more gym wins, more focus episodes and got overall more personality. Remember Kanto where Ash's pokémon were almost never used and he was just spamming Pikachu all the time. That was toned down in Johto, even more toned down in AG and now in DP, Pikachu is actually getting less battles and accomplishments than half of Ash's team.

As far as I'm concerned, every team was treated better than the one preceding it. Sinnoh got more than Hoenn who got more than Johto who got more than Kanto.

Although the DP Pokemon sans Gliscor will have the honor of beating Paul.
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The Sinnoh team was handled well, but the pacing was not. The evolutions saved for the tail-end of the saga was a horrible decision.
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1- Evolution isn't necessary to make a pokémon good, the Kanto and Johto pokémon have proven that, with unevolved starters from both region defeating much stronger fully evolved opponents.

2- and that was better than AG's stuck in middle form forever because ?? or Squirtle and Bulbasaur staying stuck in base form ?? Oh wait it really isn't that different.

It was almost like Sinnoh was Ash battling with cute unevolved Pokemon again for 80% of it.
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Let's see... Staravia evolved in DP14, a few episodes after being captured... Gligar evolved in DP85 Turtwig evolved a little past mid series in DP100... we're really far off the 80%, God I do not want to see you SAT's math score...

Likewise most of the DP Pokemon lost their personality as DP progressed. Personality-wise I found them boring somewhere around the 100th episode
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I don't disagree with you, but your conclusion is wrong. They didn't lose their personalities as much as they lost their focus. What happened in DP is that unlike in previous sagas, they chose stretch of the saga to focus a lot on 1-2 pokémon and put the others a bit on ice, reducing their screentime.

In the very beginning, the writers focused a lot on Aipom and Turtwig (up until the second gym) Between the second and fourth gyms, they focused a lot on Chimchar and Buizel. Between the fourth and sixth gym, they focused more on Turtwig/Grotle and Gligar/Gliscor (a little bit on Chimchar), between the sixth and seventh gym, it was Grotle and Staravia, between the seventh and eight, It was Chimchar/Monferno/Infernape and Gible (Grotle/Torterra a bit too) but it's clear that the writers designed the series around certain pokémon and gave them a lot of focus in short periods of time and put them on ice (still made them appear, but with little developpement).

simply because most of them are now just battle machines.
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You mean like the Kanto pokémon were ? Except every Sinnoh pokémon got more personality/quirks than the Kanto pokémon got.

Gliscor and Monferno were the only exceptions, and now Gible.
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Had Gliscor not gotten released, he would have undergone the same personality downgrade. Let's face it, after it evolved and got Ash the sixth badge, Gliscor wasn't in a lot of episodes and barely did anything noticable in them. The only time after the full battle where it got something more, was his release.

In the end, the Sinnoh pokémon got as much, if not more personality than the Hoenn pokémon, except that it was more condensed and more concentrated in certain stretches instead of being a little at a time.

There Scott, happy ?
 
Bulbasaur, Charmander and Squirtle were extremely boring compared to all newer teams - Johto was a huge improvement
Kanto and Orange's battles were mostly bad... it's Johto who finally gave us really good battles
Charizard only had some personality as a Charizard, and the other two (Bulba and Squirt) almost never showed any form of personality and barely had any good battles
It's only in some of the later sagas that Kanto starters got good battles (and even then, they didn't have personality and just used as battle machines)
The Chikorita/Bayleef had a unique and cute personality, went through character development: got over its jealous of Pikachu, learned to get used to its new body, realized it can't jump on Ash all the time...
Cyndaquil was sleepy and gentle, had problems with its fire and was actually the first Pokémon Ash the TRAINER ever TRAINED
Cyndaquil especially had some really good battles in Johto
Totodile was a crazy biting dancing crocodile, impossible not to love it... while it had less battles than Cynda/Bayleef, it had some good ones too (Whirl Cup, Johto League...)

So actually, the Johto team is a serious improvement over the Kanto team for me
Noctowl also had much better personality, attacks and battles compared to Pidgeotto (the one-ep-only Pidgeot doesn't count)

AG was a great improvement of the anime
Most of Poké got good personality, development and screen time... well, other than poor Torkoal and Glalie, especially Torkoal who was shown as a really weak Poké
They might seem "stronger" but that's only because the writing of the show became better in AG, just like the writing of Johto was much better than Kanto/Orange
Personality wise the Johto team can at least tie with the Hoenn team... Toto > Corphish, Cynda > Torkoal, Bayleef = Sceptile... in my honest opinion

DP was another improvement and each and every one of the team got awesome personality, development, attacks and battles
Infernape especially was interesting, since it's pretty much Charizard done right

My conclusion is - the writers don't favor any Poké over the other ones
Kanto/Orange = gen 1 was the only gen
Johto = both in games and anime they had problems doing a new gen for the first time and ended up relying on gen 1 too much and making it overshadow the new gen
AG = RSE + FRLG + 10th anniversary = focus on gens 1/3
DP = DPt + HGSS + 10th anniversary of Johto = focus on gens 2/4

So eventually, all Poké get more opporunities to shine... so they all eventually prove to be as strong as all the others
They're all equal in terms of power, the writers constantly play with their "level" to fit what's convenient for them at the moment
Personality and development wise, each team had some better and some worse and a lot of that is also depending on personal opinion that we can't argue about

So no, the writers don't favor any team or Pokémon of Ash over the others
Their appearances in the show are mostly based on avdertising reasons and eventually they all get their time to shine
You're desperately searching for ridiculous hints to prove your crazy biased opinion and I recommand that instead you should go search for your lost brain
 
This thread conteracted itself the minute most of Ash's Jhoto Pokemon were known to get a (seemly big part)in the Sinnoh League as well. It's all evening out, it's just taken a while.
Come the end of Gen V, Ash will no doubt use a lot of his Sinnoh Pokemon for that league.
 
I think some of the fans of this show, especially Scott, are very ridiculous in that they always insist to compare new characters with the older ones
I say each and every character is a character by itself that we shouldn't compare to the other characters - every character had its good and bad points, had its own unique stuff, nothing is perfect, no one is "treated like god", and it's just a cartoon that we should relax and enjoy
 
Piplup said:
Infernape especially was interesting, since it's pretty much Charizard done right.
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Infernape is a character that in my opinion got a little bit too much focus for me to bare.
 
IMO, Sinnoh was terrible. Just terrible. And the writers wanted to show disgust.
Johto? I think the writers may have been uneasy about 'new' Pokemon at the time.
 
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