Why is it that Cilan and Iris aren't getting larger roles in the movies?

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So I've been thinking and recently I've noticed Iris and Cilan have been having a pretty small role in the movies they had a small role in the Victini movie and they'll probably have one in the Kyurem movie as well. May was the star of the Manaphy movie and Max got a lot of attention in the Jirachi movie even Dawn had a pretty important role in the Darkrai and the Shaymin movie. So do you think they'll have a larger role in a future movie bonding with a legendary or do you think this is it?
 
Uh, because I think the writers were more focused on the legendaries than they were before. Besides, they aren't main game characters like May and Dawn were. But if this was Hilbert or Hilda, then it would be a full motion picture for them.
 
Well in the Kyurem movie there's a train involved and as we know Cilan is a Metro Connoisseur so.... Plus the movie is pretty much going to be Iris's nightmare with all that ice and those Ice type Pokémon. Basically it seems most likely that both Cilan and Iris will be getting a decent role in the next movie as there will be something that they can get involved in and/or will effect them (the former is mainly for Cilan, while the latter is mainly for Iris).

So I don't believe we can judge that Cilan's and Iris's roles in the movies will always be like they were in the 14th movie from that.
 
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I imagine its for the same reason Misty and Brock never got any major roles in the movies. May and Dawn's movie roles reflected their same roles in the anime.

As for Max, well I guess its because they wanted to give him a big movie since he was a new character at the time and since he had no pokemon it fit into the plot of the Jirachi one.
 
Uuum a lot of people don't like Iris and Cilan is not the type of character that you can do alot with?

Also they are a lot of lengenaries so they have to focus on them so I don't see them having a lot of focus but still a little early to judge.
 
Dude, we've only seen one BW movie so far, and nothing we've heard about the second one says they're both going to get small roles - if anything, it's been hinted that they'll be getting more focus than they did on the previous one.

And even if they don't get big roles, what of it? The movies tend to focus more on Ash (since he's the main character) and whatever legendaries they're featuring at the time. There are a few exceptions, but that's usually how it goes.
 
Insanish Danish said:
And a lot of people not liking Iris has to do with her not getting a larger role in the movies? They could get larger roles in future movies, we just have to wait and see.
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I said uuum included a question mark and put in its still to early to tell at the end WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT?

Still think Cilan being a widget character doesn't have the potential to have large scale stories told about him he can have social sub plot with a protanginistic character that gets used as a plot device later in story but that's the most I'm seeing. And right now the way they rushed though Iris' story they barely have enough story potential for the series any thing they got is probably going to be rationed.
 
Insanish Danish said:
And a lot of people not liking Iris has to do with her not getting a larger role in the movies? They could get larger roles in future movies, we just have to wait and see.
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Well other than the Don battle, she doesn't really do much in the series either. But Ithink people want her to have the same amount of time like the other two girls. But I don't think that is going to happen. I would like to. But I doubt it.
 
I don't think Nintendo or TPC/TPCi have made huge roles in movies for Dawn or much less Brock, making Max and May the two big exceptions. After all, how boring would it be to always focus on Ash in every single movie?

And it's not only that simple. A lot of things have changed with the producers of the Pokémon anime, even besides the big change in dubbing companies. This, as you may have guessed, also contributes to the long list of why Best Wishes is so incredibly different from the rest of the entire anime (as are the games, but that's a different matter). The vast majority of Black and White media have taken on a much more linear approach to delivery, most likely because some corporate executive decided to target 9-year-olds instead of 11-year-olds, or at least something to that effect. This, in turn, ticks off a lot of older fans, or affectionate term “oldfags” used on 4chan (I being one), into having “major malfunctions” (as the Army would call it) over the anime and how it sucks in their opinions, or is fake, or has too little 'shipping, or any other reason. This is basically what happens when there's a change in corporate hierarchy over at TPCi: Different people run the show, and thus these different people will have differing opinions on how to run things, whether they're considering the fans' opinions or not. That's just how it is. :/
 
AlexTheRose said:
And it's not only that simple. A lot of things have changed with the producers of the Pokémon anime, even besides the big change in dubbing companies. This, as you may have guessed, also contributes to the long list of why Best Wishes is so incredibly different from the rest of the entire anime (as are the games, but that's a different matter). The vast majority of Black and White media have taken on a much more linear approach to delivery, most likely because some corporate executive decided to target 9-year-olds instead of 11-year-olds, or at least something to that effect. This, in turn, ticks off a lot of older fans, or affectionate term “oldfags” used on 4chan (I being one), into having “major malfunctions” (as the Army would call it) over the anime and how it sucks in their opinions, or is fake, or has too little 'shipping, or any other reason. This is basically what happens when there's a change in corporate hierarchy over at TPCi: Different people run the show, and thus these different people will have differing opinions on how to run things, whether they're considering the fans' opinions or not. That's just how it is. :/
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I don't really see how this is relevant to the topic at hand, unless you can somehow prove TCPI has sway in what happens in the movies beyond a dubbing perspective. They can't magically create a character to have more of a role in a movie if they weren't drawn to do so. Therefore, please stick to the topic from now on, as the relevancy is just not there, especially the 4chan stuff.
 
Because Iris and Cilan are carbon copies of Misty and Brock, just replace Water with Dragon, bug with Ice and then for Cilan Breeder with Connoiseur.
Brock and Misty were never featured heavily in movies and Cilan is already fading into the background like Brock did.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if Iris or Cilan do get a bigger role in the next 2 movies. This isn't 15 years ago where Misty/Brock or Tracey were constantly left in the background.

They've learned to give supporting characters bigger roles in the show and we're already seeing Cilan play a bigger role in BW than most past travel companions, and he doesn't even have any real ongoing quest.
 
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Reason is self explanatory, they are supporting characters not being intended to receive such type of role. Not that being supporting cast is bad thing, because they are often quirkier and more fun to watch imo than protagonists which tend to often fall into stereotypical cliched role but seeing how they arent main center of attention with anime not revolving around them chances that they are going to get different treatment in movies isnt very promising. Granted Max who arguably had smallest role out of all traveling companions played pretty big role in 6th movie("Jirachi Wishmaker")but that was more exception to rule than anything else.

While i believe Iris and Cilan will probably get more focus and bigger involvement in next 2 movies than Brock or Misty did due to writers improvement, i dont expect that they get as much exposure and screen time like may or Dawn did for understandable reasons, and frankly they dont need to because this isnt about quantity. I could see Iris playing some significant role in 15th movie since there seems to be involved quite a few dragon and ice types (something which draws connection with her character and goal).

Either way we all know Ash is always destined to get biggest role in movies being on who saves day, so its not like Iris and Cilan not getting some big role is something to be surprised about. Even characters which had bigger roles in anime like May didnt fared any better either ending with short end of stick while Ash intervened in most important moment.

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I wouldn't be surprised if Iris or Cilan do get a bigger role in the next 2 movies. This isn't 15 years ago where Misty/Brock or Tracey were constantly left in the background.
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I suppose this is meant to be joke, because sans Tracey this characters got pretty good amount of focus and screen time for what anime used to be back than.Sure at times they were neglected and there could be done more, but generally speaking they were much more than background scenery. Same goes for movies with Misty and Brock getting pretty good roles in second and third.

They've learned to give supporting characters bigger roles in the show and we're already seeing Cilan play a bigger role in BW than most past travel companions, and he doesn't even have any real ongoing quest.
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May, Dawn Misty, and Brock(in OS) got either more or same amount development and focus toward their stories than Cilan currently did so im not sure what is meant by majority.
 
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Because, dear Fullbring, the people at the movie division are just making things up as they go along.
 
Because Ash is in them?

But no seriously its best to wait until at least two Unova movies are out before we can properly judge. It already seems like with no human villain in sight, the focus of Iris/Cilian will be a bit better than in the Victini movie.
 
A lot of people have noticed that BW has an original series vibe to it and to be honest the Victini movie(s) reminded me of that in so far that they focused mainly on Satoshi. Out of the original series films, the one that comes closest to showing a group effort was Spell of the Unown while the Latios and Latias movie marginalized Kasumi and Takeshi to such a degree that they might as well have not been there at all.

What I also noticed from Destiny Deoxys onwards was that there seemed to be a conscious effort to include everyone's Pokemon at some point... however this seems to also have been abandoned in the Victini movie, with none of the main characters Pokemon other than Pikachu and Kibago appearing after Zuruggu had beaten Sazandora.
 
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