Wi-Fi Team

[Roi C.]

This is the team I plan using on Wi-Fi. It's still untested, and I want your opinion on it. If you have any ideas for changes or improvments, I will gladly hear them. Also, I've across some difficulties with items, so here I would really appreciate some help.

Here goes:


* Infernape (Option A)
-Close Combat
-ThunderPunch
-Fire Punch
-Swords Dance
(Nature Jolly, EVs 4/HP, 252/Attack, 252/Speed)
[Item: Focus Sash]

* Infernape (Option B)-Fake Out
-Fire Blast
-Close Combat
-Stealth Rock
(Nature Naive, EVs 64/Attack, 252/Special Attack, 192/Speed)
[Item: Focus Sash]

* Togekiss
-Nasty Plot
-Air Slash
-Roost
-Aura Sphere
(Nature Modest, EVs 252/HP, 152/Special Attack, 104/Speed)
[Item: non yet]
{Note: Thought of replacing Air Slash with Sky Attack, and to give him a Power Herb to go with it)

* Gyarados-Ice Fang
-Aqua Tail
-Earthquake
-Dragon Dance
(Nature Adamant, 4/HP, EVs 252/Attack, 252/Speed)
[Item: Life Orb]

* Metagross
-Agility
-Meteor Mash
-Zen Headbutt
-Earthquake
(Nature Adamant, EVs 112/HP 252/Attack, 12/Defense, 132/Speed)
[Item: non yet]

* Gengar
-Shadow Ball
-Thunderbolt
-Focus Blast
-Destiny Bond
(Nature Modest, EVs 4/HP, 252/Special Attack, 252/Speed)
[Item: Wise Glasses]

* Garchomp (I know it's classed as Uber, but it doesn't bother most people)
-Swords Dance
-Outrage
-Earthquake
-Fire Fang
(Nature Jolly, EVs 4/HP, 252/Attack, 252/Speed)
[Item: Yache Berry]

 

[Roi C.]

Bump

 

[SSJ4Jesus]

The second Infernape is probably a better lead, as you'll be able to break other leads sashes. And you'll be able to stop some leads from laying Stealth Rock, which is good sice two of your sweepers are weak to it.

I'm gonna say that Sky Attack on a Nasty Plot togekiss is a bad idea, especially since it's attack is garbage. Life orb is probably a good item choice for it; roost will help you recover the damage.

Have you actually tried this team out? I think you would get a much better feeling for how it works by testing it yourself, rather than just posting the team on here.

 

[Roi C.]

You're right SSJ4, I forgot that Sky Attack is physical.

Anyway, I didn't try this team out yet, and while I do agree with you that I'll know better after trying it on-line, I still need an item to go with every party member. Any suggestions?

 

[DRWS!]

Leftovers/King's Rock on Togekiss
Metagross could use Life Orb/Leftovers/Shuca Berry
Gengar would probably be better as a Choice Scarfer here, as without it Starmie can give you problems.

Infernape B is better as a lead..
You could try Encore over Aura Sphere on Togekiss to try and get more Nasty Plots, and Flinchax people to death.

 

[Roi C.]

Leftovers/King's Rock on Togekiss
Metagross could use Life Orb/Leftovers/Shuca Berry
Gengar would probably be better as a Choice Scarfer here, as without it Starmie can give you problems.

Infernape B is better as a lead..
You could try Encore over Aura Sphere on Togekiss to try and get more Nasty Plots, and Flinchax people to death.

I agree with the King's Rock on Togekiss and the Leftovers on Metagross, but using a Choice Scarf on Gengar is not a wise thing, because he has Destiny Bond.

Also, while I do like your suggestion to give Togekiss Encore, removing Aura Sphere would make him terribly limited against many Pokémon, MOSTLY his counters.

 

[Troggy]

Quick notes:

Infernape B is predictable, but fine. A lot of leads outrun / have priority attacks so you want to break sash, do rocks, and go from there. The SD one is fine but not as a lead.

Give Togekiss Leftovers, King's Rock isn't worth it.

Gyara needs Waterfall over Aqua Tail. You only lose 10 BP and get 100 accuracy + possible flinch.

Metagross wants Ice or Thunder Punch instead of Zen Headbutt. Psychic has poor coverage in OU. You'll want to hit things like Gyara that resist Steel + Ground, or Dragons that try to ruin your fun.

Gengar needs to be Timid, Modest is gonna get spanked by +Speed base 100s, Infernape, etc.

Garchomp is uber so I don't really have anything to say there.

 

[Roi C.]

Quick notes:

Infernape B is predictable, but fine. A lot of leads outrun / have priority attacks so you want to break sash, do rocks, and go from there. The SD one is fine but not as a lead.

Give Togekiss Leftovers, King's Rock isn't worth it.

Gyara needs Waterfall over Aqua Tail. You only lose 10 BP and get 100 accuracy + possible flinch.

Metagross wants Ice or Thunder Punch instead of Zen Headbutt. Psychic has poor coverage in OU. You'll want to hit things like Gyara that resist Steel + Ground, or Dragons that try to ruin your fun.

Gengar needs to be Timid, Modest is gonna get spanked by +Speed base 100s, Infernape, etc.

Garchomp is uber so I don't really have anything to say there.

Hmm... Good advices. I will probably stick to Infernape B, predictable or not.

About Grachomp being uber... Well, don't people don't care that much if you bring a Garchomp into a match, so I'm fine with it.

About Metagross... I will probably change it to Ice Punch, Zen Headbutt really doesn't help that much.

The main issue remains items. No way I could make Gengar a Choice Scarfer, and I still haven't found an item suitable for Metagross.

I like your ideas, and your attitude too. You know what you're doing, and you're not an elitist snob. Can you help me with the items part?

 

[Troggy]

Hmm... Good advices. I will probably stick to Infernape B, predictable or not.

About Grachomp being uber... Well, don't people don't care that much if you bring a Garchomp into a match, so I'm fine with it.

About Metagross... I will probably change it to Ice Punch, Zen Headbutt really doesn't help that much.

The main issue remains items. No way I could make Gengar a Choice Scarfer, and I still haven't found an item suitable for Metagross.

I like your ideas, and your attitude too. You know what you're doing, and you're not an elitist snob. Can you help me with the items part?

Yeah, a lot of people don't mind Garchomp. I just left it alone because I am used to playing the standard metagame without it so I don't really know how it interacts with it anymore.

I wasn't suggesting that you make Gengar a Choice Scarfer, but now that I look back again, you should probably consider it. Your team lacks a revenge killer in general, and Gengar is certainly a decent revenger. I was just pointing out that if you aren't running a Choice Scarf, you should definitely be running Timid over Modest because there is a big difference between 319 and 350 speed.

For your Agiligross, you should probably just pick one of the suggested items from the Smogon page. They suggest either Leftovers, Life Orb, or Lum Berry. All have their pros and cons, so it is really personal preference.

Let me see if I can summarize my list of suggested items here for you then:

Infernape - Focus Sash
Togekiss - Leftovers
Gyarados - Life Orb
Metagross - Life Orb / Leftovers / Lum Berry
Gengar - Choice Scarf / Wise Glasses
Garchomp - Yache Berry

Hope this helps.

 

[Roi C.]

Yeah, a lot of people don't mind Garchomp. I just left it alone because I am used to playing the standard metagame without it so I don't really know how it interacts with it anymore.

I wasn't suggesting that you make Gengar a Choice Scarfer, but now that I look back again, you should probably consider it. Your team lacks a revenge killer in general, and Gengar is certainly a decent revenger. I was just pointing out that if you aren't running a Choice Scarf, you should definitely be running Timid over Modest because there is a big difference between 319 and 350 speed.

For your Agiligross, you should probably just pick one of the suggested items from the Smogon page. They suggest either Leftovers, Life Orb, or Lum Berry. All have their pros and cons, so it is really personal preference.

Let me see if I can summarize my list of suggested items here for you then:

Infernape - Focus Sash
Togekiss - Leftovers
Gyarados - Life Orb
Metagross - Life Orb / Leftovers / Lum Berry
Gengar - Choice Scarf / Wise Glasses
Garchomp - Yache Berry

Hope this helps.

While I do agree that maybe replacing Gengar with a Timid one would be use, Choice Scarfing him wouldn't let me use Destiny Bond, which is way more useful than you can imagine.

As for the items... I will probably give Metagross a Lum Berry and Gengar Wise Glasses, but I don't know, I feel like I'm missing something here...

Also, are you sure that you don't have any tips for Garchomp? I know he's banned from the standart game NOW, but you've surely met him in the past.

But, anyway, you've been really helpful, and I really appreciate your help. If I can repay you in some way, just ask.

 

[DRWS!]

Destiny Bind still works with a Choice Scarf
Just have to be sure enough that they're gonna kill you.