Will Dawn ever find a way to befriend her Pokémon (spoiler) by the tme of the GF?

[Rhyperior]

To everyone who enter this thread, you obviously would know that the "Pokémon" I refer to is Mamoswine.

Mamoswine now become a powerful Pokémon that can easily break through the cage of JJM, it even can ruin Piplup's Whirlpool easily! If she will ever find a way to solve the problem, she obviously would have a lot more chances to get further in the GF! Of course to my mind, the writers won't let it to happen. The writers have already deeping portrayed her as a rookie to us by making it lose 2 contest in a row even with the help of the powerful Ambipom! Even if she did manage to befriend it, I doubt she can used it well! Hopefully this time she won't get any help from Zoey, Kenny or any master coordinator, since they're all now trying their best to enter the GF, it wouldn't make sense if they'll try to help Dawn and allow her to use the extremely powerful Mamoswine to defeat them. Even if they do want to, I doubt they'll have any ideas either! It wouldn't seem to be fair if the writers let another master to help her! Dawn could finally experience an important step for every trainers, to tame a fierce and strong Pokémon! This could also help her in her career if she'll ever experienced any similar incidents.

My guess is that in the GF, her Pokémon are all debilitated, overtired or badly injured. Therefore she'd no choice but to use the disobedient Mamoswine, the result, of course is that she lose very badly.

Then sometime after the GF, something similar to Charizard will likely happen to Mamoswine but of course this will be about food, since its gluttonous nature is constantly emphasized. Probably after some accidents caused by JJM, Dawn and her Mamoswine will be separated from the others. Mamoswine hasn't eat for a while so Dawn try her best to look for food for it. Then, the result will be BEFRIENDED!

It really seems to be so nonsense for me to believe that this will get solved before the GF and give Dawn a huge advantage!

 

[Marvel Girl]

^So you want the Sinnoh GF to turn into a Indigo League repeat?

It really seems to be so nonsense for me to believe that this will get solved before the GF and give Dawn a huge advantage!

I would hardly call Mamoswine a huge advantage.Zoey,Kenny or Nando could beat it with ease.

 

[Piplup]

Remember Mamoswine even after begin to listen to Dawn, might battle too Gym-style and lose points for this
I think she'll have to work with it about getting used to the Contest style after it'll listen to her

I'd like it the best if it'll begin to listen either right before or right after the GF
She should rarely (if at all) use it until it listen her

I think it'll give chance for Dawn's other Pokémon if Mamo won't be used until the GF
I'd like the rest of the Contests to be like that:
Lose: Pachi pass performance (it deserve to do a perfect one after its messed up unofficial/Floatoma) than Mamo lose the battles
Ribbon 4: Ambipom pass performance, Buneary win the battles
Ribbon 5: Piplup pass performance, Pachi win the battles
This way everyone togeter won her one ribbon (Aqua), Pip won two ribbons (one performance in ribbon 5 and one battles round in ribbon 1), Bunny won two ribbons (performance in Celestic, battles in ribbon 4), Pachi won two ribbons (performance in Floaroma, battles in ribbon 5), Ambi won two ribbons (battles in Celestic, performance in ribbon 4)
So each of Dawn's Poké (excluding Mamo) would have at least one ribbon that it pass the performance for and one ribbon that it won the battles for
And in addition to that they all together won Dawn her Aqua Ribbon and than there's loses/unofficial Contests as a bonus
I think it'd be the best this way... than the first performance in the GF should be Pip&Pachi to get revenge on Hearthome
No need to use Mamo until the GF or after... if she'll use it than it'd take spotlight Dawn's other Poké should get

 

[Rhyperior]

^So you want the Sinnoh GF to turn into a Indigo League repeat?

That sounds fair, since people want her to be the next Ash therefore she'll need to experience those miseries. Also the Sinnoh GF has a high possibility to be won by one of Dawn's rival, that won't make it the second IL. And imagine if Charizard was obedient in the IL, then Ash would crush Ritchie effortlessly, there's no doubt. So it could be the same for Mamoswine.

I would hardly call Mamoswine a huge advantage.Zoey,Kenny or Nando could beat it with ease.

How? Mamoswine had already shown its strength by defeating Piplup effortlessly! Piplup had defeated Prinplup and Glaceon but Mamoswine defeat it very easily! They'll need much effort in defeating this powerful pig.

Remember Mamoswine even after begin to listen to Dawn, might battle too Gym-style and lose points for this
I think she'll have to work with it about getting used to the Contest style after it'll listen to her

I'd like it the best if it'll begin to listen either right before or right after the GF

Oh! It would also work before the GF then! She had gym style battle and get disqualified! That sounds like a good idea for it to listen to her before the GF now!

No need to use Mamo until the GF or after... if she'll use it than it'd take spotlight Dawn's other Poké should get

What? It's Piplup (not you) that stole everyone spotlight! And excluding DP084, DP104 and DP106, Swinub barely get any spotlight at all! I think it'll also be fair for Mamoswine to make Dawn lose badly once/twice!

 

[Piplup]

I mean for Contests... as you can see I want each Pokémon to win at least one ribbon for performance and one ribbon for battles
If she'll use Mamo and win with it than it won't be possible
Unless you want her to use Mamo and lose which I did write should happen before ribbon 4

 

[Rhyperior]

I mean for Contests... as you can see I want each Pokémon to win at least one ribbon for performance and one ribbon for battles

I mean Contests too! The "battle" I refer to is the "battle rounds" of contests. And having Mamoswine lose badly once/twice wouldn't stop each Pokémon from winning at least once.

If she'll use Mamo and win with it than it won't be possible

I said she use Mamoswine to give out a gym style battle in the battle round and defeat her opponent effortlessly but get disqualified for this. That would be a good experience for her, she would then be able to understand one important concept of contests.

Unless you want her to use Mamo and lose which I did write should happen before ribbon 4

That's exactly what I mean after reading your post about gym style battle but I want it to happen in the GF instead if it is to get solved right before the GF.

 

[Marvel Girl]

That sounds fair, since people want her to be the next Ash therefore she'll need to experience those miseries.

Dawn is not a second Ash. Why don't people get it?

Also the Sinnoh GF has a high possibility to be won by one of Dawn's rival, that won't make it the second IL. And imagine if Charizard was obedient in the IL, then Ash would crush Ritchie effortlessly, there's no doubt. So it could be the same for Mamoswine.

Zoey has zero chances of winning the GF. We don't know whetever Kenny and Nando are going to make it to the GF. Even if they make it they won't win the GF. Kenny is just a punching bug and Nando is not all that strong.

How? Mamoswine had already shown its strength by defeating Piplup effortlessly! Piplup had defeated Prinplup and Glaceon but Mamoswine defeat it very easily! They'll need much effort in defeating this powerful pig.

You are obviously forgetting that both Zoey and Nando are far more skilled than her. Surely they would be able to handle Mamoswine.

 

[Rhyperior]

LOL! Yuri, who is supposed to be a skillful coordinator that had defeated the Grand Festival Winner Johanna, is defeated by Dawn! I like the fact that it's Ambipom that win it for her but it just doesn't make sense that a rookie like her can defeat an experienced coordinator.

Obviously the writers love Dawn so much that they let her "rival" and even a master coordinator to help her, also let her defeat May and even Yuri! Things can hardly make sense when come to Dawn, really. So if that Mamoswine is to listen to her by the GF, there's chance that it'll defeat others effortlessly, that's why now I'm hoping this'll backfire, causing Dawn to be disqualified due to non-contest style battle.

Seriously, the show will become even more nonsensical if the writers decide to let Dawn, a rookie, to find a way to turn things like Mamoswine into an appealing Pokémon. That won't happen, if the writers still have a little sense. So now both ways, before the GF or after, seem fine to me now, as long as the writers don't let Dawn to achieve somethings that she doesn't deserve. Thanks to Piplup for reminding me about the non-appealing factor, I've gotten crazy with the evolution and have forgotten about my standpoint. (It seemed awkward that I remember about the possibly meaningless gluttonous thing, but forgot about the non-appealing factor XD)

 

[Daren]

Piplup had defeated Prinplup and Glaceon but Mamoswine defeat it very easily! They'll need much effort in defeating this powerful pig.

Remember, Buizel easily beat Pikachu first time, too [admitedly, not as easily as Piplup got casually tossed aside]. They fought again later in a two on two. Pikachu won. Strength differences don't always remain constant.
The writer's have no problem with portraying Pokemon's strength as being inconsistent-and Pokemon are usually very strong when they first appear/evolve. Pretty much the only one that isn't hyper strong at first was Torkoal, who was...well, he was Torkoal. And he WAS hyper strong compared to his later performances. :lol:

My bet is that Dawn will regain control of it before the Grand Festival, maybe well before it, and it will lose alot of it's power before too long, although I think it will be her team's powerhouse.

I said she use Mamoswine to give out a gym style battle in the battle round and defeat her opponent effortlessly but get disqualified for this.

Does this actually happen? I mean, usually using Gym-style moves would usually get you a loss because you'd lose on points [like Ash against Zoey] after the time limit, but have we actually seen someone disqualified AFTER KOing the opponent? It WOULD make sense in alot of ways considering how contests are supposed to work, but these same contests give out surprising points for pitiful displays, so who knows? I admit I haven't kept up as closely on Contests as Gyms, so I honestly don't know if we have seen it happen first hand. It'd be hilarious, and I'd file it under Greatest Contest Loss Ever, though.
Judge: Due to excessive force, Dawn and Mamoswine have been disqualified! Other Guy and Butterfree wins!
Trainer: Hurray!
Butterfree**squashed flat as a pancake on the ground**: Free?
If it was how she lost the Grand Festival, though, it'd be...slightly more ridiculous than how Ash lost the Indigo League. So it has precedent, albeit from a long time ago.

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Seriously, the show will become even more nonsensical if the writers decide to let Dawn, a rookie, to find a way to turn things like Mamoswine into an appealing Pokémon.

They had Ash, after winning the Orange Cup, lose to some rookie in a grass type tournament. Heck, they've had Dawn come up with moves Ash had to copy like before fighting Roark. They'll do anything, quite literally.

 

[Rhyperior]

Does this actually happen? I mean, usually using Gym-style moves would usually get you a loss because you'd lose on points [like Ash against Zoey] after the time limit, but have we actually seen someone disqualified AFTER KOing the opponent? It WOULD make sense in alot of ways considering how contests are supposed to work, but these same contests give out surprising points for pitiful displays, so who knows? I admit I haven't kept up as closely on Contests as Gyms, so I honestly don't know if we have seen it happen first hand. It'd be hilarious, and I'd file it under Greatest Contest Loss Ever, though.

That is only my prediction and it hasn't happened before. But I think it'll be even more hilarious and ridiculous if the rookie Dawn will ever find a way to turn Mamoswine to appealing.

But in a random competition back in Johto, Jessie did get disqualified for using Counter, a forbidden move, to defeat the opponent.

They had Ash, after winning the Orange Cup, lose to some rookie in a grass type tournament. Heck, they've had Dawn come up with moves Ash had to copy like before fighting Roark. They'll do anything, quite literally.

Yeah and especially this is the rule-breaking Dawn that had already broken many tradition or rules of the anime! But still this will have cross the line a bit! The fans would probably get furious at this!

 

[VibuzeSG]

I don't think it would be completely ridiculous if Dawn managed to get Mamoswine to listen to her, and it also wouldn't be ridiculous if she made it appealing.

First of all, we've seen some pretty ridiculous Pokemon have successes in contests in the past--correct me if I'm wrong, but Harley's used an Octillery, Jessie's used Seviper on a few occasions, and Ash battled a guy with a Cloyster in the Wallace Cup. None of those Pokemon are particularly beautiful, cute, or elegant, and yet they didn't fail ridiculously.

Mamoswine is an Ice-type, and we've seen on multiple occasions that Ice makes for some pretty appeals. If it explodes in crystals or something, that could net her points.

In my opinion, though, it'd be silly for the writers to make Dawn incapable of using Mamoswine for the rest of the season. I don't want to see it happen too quickly (for the reasons Rhyperior stated), but I think it would get really annoying if it took too long. Ash's Charizard became pretty obnoxious by the end of Indigo, and it was a crummy deux ex machina for Ritchie in what should have been the most critical battle of the series. The writers seem to have learned to give us more quality battles; if Dawn loses the Grand Festival it hopefully won't be because Mamoswine is being, if you'll excuse the pun, pig-headed.

 

[Musashi]

LOL! Yuri, who is supposed to be a skillful coordinator that had defeated the Grand Festival Winner Johanna, is defeated by Dawn! I like the fact that it's Ambipom that win it for her but it just doesn't make sense that a rookie like her can defeat an experienced coordinator.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Yuri had been in a Contest since she was around Hikari's age. I don't think it's that's unbelievable.

 

[Rhyperior]

First of all, we've seen some pretty ridiculous Pokemon have successes in contests in the past--correct me if I'm wrong, but Harley's used an Octillery, Jessie's used Seviper on a few occasions, and Ash battled a guy with a Cloyster in the Wallace Cup. None of those Pokemon are particularly beautiful, cute, or elegant, and yet they didn't fail ridiculously.

Harley is experienced while Dawn is a rookie! The other guys probably are also experienced. Remind you one thing, Seviper failed pretty horribly!

Mamoswine is an Ice-type, and we've seen on multiple occasions that Ice makes for some pretty appeals. If it explodes in crystals or something, that could net her points.

I doubt it! If it really is to happen, that will require a whole lot of training. That already will take up much of her time to befriend it. And we've seen it and I don't think Dawn had seen it too. There isn't any rivals that has Ice type. And even if she knew how to use the ice, she won't know how to train it to do so!

In my opinion, though, it'd be silly for the writers to make Dawn incapable of using Mamoswine for the rest of the season. I don't want to see it happen too quickly (for the reasons Rhyperior stated), but I think it would get really annoying if it took too long. Ash's Charizard became pretty obnoxious by the end of Indigo, and it was a crummy deux ex machina for Ritchie in what should have been the most critical battle of the series. The writers seem to have learned to give us more quality battles; if Dawn loses the Grand Festival it hopefully won't be because Mamoswine is being, if you'll excuse the pun, pig-headed.

No, in my opinion, it should be Dawn that is being pig-headed. (BTW, aren't pigs supposed to be smart XD) If that will ever happen, it should be Dawn's fault. I don't care how long it lasts as long as Dawn can't use it well in the GF. (That really would be bad for a rookie to use a powerhouse in the GF and keep advancing. ) Hopefully that could be solve right after the GF so there's no chance that it lasts too long.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Yuri had been in a Contest since she was around Hikari's age. I don't think it's that's unbelievable.

I think she's supposed to be a genius(correct me if I'm wrong) and was already a great coordinator when she first starred. So I think she could be as great after all those years. She hadn't touched contests when she first did it after all.

 

[Musashi]

Harley is experienced while Dawn is a rookie! The other guys probably are also experienced. Remind you one thing, Seviper failed pretty horribly!

And Megayanma won a contest. It doesn't matter if a pokemon is cute or not.

 

[Rhyperior]

Jessie had already been in contests for Hoenn, Kanto and now she's competing for the Sinnoh GF, but Dawn has just started out.

 

[Rosakai]

Dawn could solve the disobedience problem in time for the GF, but have Mamoswine knocked out fast and early in whatever battle will be her last one in the festival (I honestly don't expect her to get very far. She doesn't have the skill to do so and she's 99.9% likely not to get said skill until her second GF.)

 

[Piplup]

I'd like Dawn in the GF to beat Jessie, Nando (with Pip to get revenge on her first battle), Zoey (with Bunny and Ambi who both should get revenge on Glameow) and than lose to Kenny
I know it's expected she'll beat Kenny than lose to Zoey but this is exactly one of the reasons it'd better to do it the opposite

 

[Rhyperior]

Dawn could solve the disobedience problem in time for the GF, but have Mamoswine knocked out fast and early in whatever battle will be her last one in the festival (I honestly don't expect her to get very far. She doesn't have the skill to do so and she's 99.9% likely not to get said skill until her second GF.)

Exactly! I can't understand why someone will think that Dawn is skillful and have the ability to turn Mamoswine into appealing.

I'd like Dawn in the GF to beat Jessie, Nando (with Pip to get revenge on her first battle), Zoey (with Bunny and Ambi who both should get revenge on Glameow) and than lose to Kenny
I know it's expected she'll beat Kenny than lose to Zoey but this is exactly one of the reasons it'd better to do it the opposite

What? You think that she can defeat Zoey, Nando and Jessie, all the coordinators that are more experienced/skillful than her? What makes you think that? It's only her first season and first GF! She's a rookie! An inexperienced coordinator!

Ash only get to the first round of the Final Rounds of the Indigo League! What makes you think that the second Ash can get any further than Ash! If she's to become the second Ash! Then that means she'll have as much chance as Ash to participate in the GF on-screen! Why do people think that the second Ash will have any more advancement than Ash! She doesn't deserve to win at least three battle in the GF! And what makes you think that she can defeat 3 of the 4 rivals when Ash can't even defeat Ritchie! I hate it when people believe Dawn is the second Ash but at the same time thinks that she can get better treatments than Ash, then, what does the word "Equal" mean in your dictionary! You obviously think that Dawn is better than Ash and is more skillful than him!

She's only a ROOKIE, a person who has just started out! She doesn't deserve to run that far! May could only defeat Harley, who always lost to her, and a random person in her first GF. Dawn doesn't deserve to defeat 3 rivals! She only deserve to defeat 1/none of her rivals and win 1/2 battles in the GF!

As Rosakai has already pointed out, she doesn't have the skills and what she have is only Piplup. (She's just another Jessie who uses only one Pokémon.) She obviously don't know how to use her other Pokémon! SKILLS are more important than LUCK! All her 3 ribbons are achieved by LUCK, not SKILLS!

No matter how strong is Mamoswine, she just won't have the skills to use it well! (The same for her other Pokémon, I know they're good but her opponents and rivals would just be better than them! No chance of her being better than the others!)The most I can see her do with it is just to give out a non-contest style battle! She won't advance further until she's more skillful and experienced!

P.S. Sorry for sounding harsh, but I've just had a tough fight with my brother, so I'm in boiling water!

 

[Piplup]

I think you jsut hate Dawn
Ash and Dawn are equals in their role on the show, I never said their power/skill/personality/story/whatever is identical
Actually Dawn started knowing much more about Pokémon than Ash or May
She already beat Jessie in the past in a Contest (and 332532 times in TR battles) so I can't see why you're surprised I suggest Dawn beat her in the GF (not to mention we aren't even sure Jessie will get there... but I hope she will)
Nando started his journey around the same time Dawn did and Dawn's first Contest was Zoey's fourth so Zoey isn't THAT more experienced
Zoey isn't unbeatable... May defeated her and Dawn was able to beat May... and watch Jubilife Contest again- Zoey didn't really crush Dawn or Ash... both Aipom and Buneary were kind of close to win but the time made them lose
May beat 2 Coordinators in her first GF before she lost so I see nothing wrong with Dawn beating 3 before she lose

 

[Rhyperior]

She already beat Jessie in the past in a Contest (and 332532 times in TR battles) so I can't see why you're surprised I suggest Dawn beat her in the GF (not to mention we aren't even sure Jessie will get there... but I hope she will)

LOL! The same applies to you. Zoey and Nando had defeated Dawn and you think Dawn can defeat them. Then you think Kenny can defeat her.(So do I. XD But I want it to be in the first round of the battle round instead) I think you just love Dawn. XD (Yeah, I admit that I hate Dawn)

Nando started his journey around the same time Dawn did and Dawn's first Contest was Zoey's fourth so Zoey isn't THAT more experienced

Nando is an adult and adults are supposed to be smarter than child. At least Zoey is more experienced than her.

Zoey isn't unbeatable... May defeated her and Dawn was able to beat May...

That is nonsense. And that's why I think what she has is only LUCK, not SKILLS.

May beat 2 Coordinators in her first GF before she lost so I see nothing wrong with Dawn beating 3 before she lose

The 2 she beat were Harley(I know he's rival) who always lost to her and a random person. But here you're talking about 3 rivals.The most I can expect with her is that she beats a random person and loses to Jessie/Kenny.