World Tournament Junior Cup

[Hurricane Kishore]

Okay , All of ya know about ''Pokemon World Tournament'' where all the gym leader & Champion battle.
So
What If BW season 2 is about ''Pokemon World Tournament'' where Ash participating !

Edit by Iteru:

World Tournament Junior Cup confirmed.

 

[Piplup]

Re: SPECULATION: Pokemon World Tournament !

I find it very unlikely to happen
The anime seems to be doing its own tournament, which is BASED on this game thing but is NOT the same thing, called simply a "Battle Tournament" (and seems to happen in the near future, BEFORE the Unova League)
I honestly doubt we'd see Misty or any of the old Gym Leaders there... maybe Volkner has a little chance since he's a recent character
Other than the little chance of seeing Volkner, the only one I really expect to possibly see there is Lance
So Cynthia, Lance and Volkner are the only old Gym Leaders/Elite Four/Champions I think we're going to see here
If there are any other E4 members involved, I think these will be Unova's E4 members that we still didn't get to see, and maybe Alder too... it could also be a way to showcase Cheren and the water Gym Leader if Ash isn't going to battle them like he'll do with Homika
Other than these "important" guys, I can see Dawn entering this too (I wish she comes for a Contest, but that scan said nothing about Contest or anything like that, so I won't be surprised if she appears for this tournament) and hopefully Paul will manage to get there too... and maybe even Barry too... and other than them, I can see some or all of the usual BW rivals participating in this too, along with some possible one shot opponents like we usually get in these tournaments

 

[Silktree]

Re: SPECULATION: Pokemon World Tournament !

Regardless of the name being used, it's described as a tournament for Elite Four members and champions. How is it more likely for DP characters to appear instead? Once again, you're just assuming that Dawn is is entering the tournament, and I don't see why it is surprising that they haven't spoiled the reason for Dawn's appearance yet considering she doesn't even stand out in the advertisement.

 

[Piplup]

Re: SPECULATION: Pokemon World Tournament !

She stands out on the scan as much as Cynthia does, and they "spoil" Cynthia's reason of appearing with this tournament - why would they not do the same and mention a Contest too if that was what Dawn is going to do?
I'd love to be proven wrong, but currently I think Dawn will be in this tournament... I'll be happy to admit I was wrong the moment we get a confirmation of a Contest
Also, I find it very unlikely that the whole tournament will be made up of past GL/E4/Champions - it may work for the games, but totally not for the anime... this is why I think that the anime will, instead of that, will bring back DP characters and possibly Lance too, to make their own tournament of older characters and also involve a few GL/E4/Champions in the form of Cynthia + maybe Lance/Volkner + Unova's E4+Champion and BW2-only GLs

 

[Silktree]

Re: SPECULATION: Pokemon World Tournament !

She stands out on the scan as much as Cynthia does, and they "spoil" Cynthia's reason of appearing with this tournament - why would they not do the same and mention a Contest too if that was what Dawn is going to do?

The difference is that there is a picture of Cynthia from a future episode about the tournament.

Also, I find it very unlikely that the whole tournament will be made up of past GL/E4/Champions - it may work for the games, but totally not for the anime...

But that is what is being implied. A montage of DP characters and Lance (why Lance, in that case?) is just your speculation.

 

[Piplup]

Re: SPECULATION: Pokemon World Tournament !

The difference is that there is a picture of Cynthia from a future episode about the tournament.

That doesn't really mean Dawn won't be in these same eps too or that she won't participate in that tournament...

But that is what is being implied.

All we know for sure is that there is some kind of tournament and that E4/Champions are involved
We can't really know what exactly they're planning

A montage of DP characters and Lance (why Lance, in that case?) is just your speculation.

Right, but speculation is all we can do until we get proper information
Why Lance? To have at least another Champion there other than Cynthia (and possibly Alder) and since the writers loved him enough to randomly bring him back for no reason during AG so they might want to do it now again, especially with the focus this gen has on dragons

 

[Silktree]

Re: SPECULATION: Pokemon World Tournament !

That doesn't really mean Dawn won't be in these same eps too or that she won't participate in that tournament...

My point is that we have a context for Cynthia's appearance, but not for Dawn.

All we know for sure is that there is some kind of tournament and that E4/Champions are involved

I think that's enough to make what you're suggesting unlikely. Why would a coordinator enter a tournament that involves the Elite Four and Champions?

Why Lance? To have at least another Champion there other than Cynthia (and possibly Alder) and since the writers loved him enough to randomly bring him back for no reason during AG so they might want to do it now again, especially with the focus this gen has on dragons

That still seems random me. The in-game tournament will include the champions from all five currently known region. Why wouldn't they all be here? I don't see what is so unlikely about it.

 

[Piplup]

Re: SPECULATION: Pokemon World Tournament !

My point is that we have a context for Cynthia's appearance, but not for Dawn.

Which is what lead me to believe that, like Cynthia, she'll be involved in that tournament
I really can't see any reason for them to not mention a Contest if that what she came for

I think that's enough to make what you're suggesting unlikely. Why would a coordinator enter a tournament that involves the Elite Four and Champions?

With that logic, nothing of that would've happened:
1. Dawn battled Elite Four member Lucian
2. Dawn had a Gym Battle VS Maylene
3. Dawn participated at the tag battles tournament
4. Ash participated at the unofficial Contest at the end of AG
5. Ash participated at the Jubilife Contest
6. Ash participated at the Wallace Cup
A trainer can participate at Contests and a Coordinator can participate in "regular" battles
While it's true they had very specific reasons to do so in these special cases, who says Dawn won't have some special reason this time too?
Also, let's not forget that Contests involve battles too... while Contests Battles have their differences from "regular" battles, they're still battles

That still seems random me. The in-game tournament will include the champions from all five currently known region. Why wouldn't they all be here? I don't see what is so unlikely about it.

We can't even have this "all 5" in the anime since Gary is a researcher now and not a Champion... also, with that logic of following the games about all Champions being there, then all E4 and Gym Leaders would be there too and I'm sure you'll agree the anime isn't going to bring back all of these...

 

[Silktree]

Re: SPECULATION: Pokemon World Tournament !

I really can't see any reason for them to not mention a Contest if that what she came for

It was just one page of information and Dawn was not the highlight.

A trainer can participate at Contests and a Coordinator can participate in "regular" battles

I don't think that traveling to another region for a tournament just to lose to an Elite Four member, let alone a champion, is the sort of thing that Dawn would do for fun. Buizel was the one that wanted to battle Lucian in an unofficial battle. At least Ash is very serious about battling the strongest of trainers and has ample league experience that would justify having him invited.

Let's be honest here: You wouldn't normally be suggesting this sort of thing for Dawn. Considering that we don't know anything about her appearance and the only advertisement we have pertains to different things, you shouldn't be so quick to support your idea.

We can't even have this "all 5" in the anime since Gary is a researcher now and not a Champion...

He could be replaced by another trainer. Agatha did replace Giovanni in his gym when that position was filled by Gary's counterpart in the games.

also, with that logic of following the games about all Champions being there, then all E4 and Gym Leaders would be there too and I'm sure you'll agree the anime isn't going to bring back all of these...

We now know that many of the trainers are going to be downloadable. For all we know, the number of default trainers will be reasonable enough for the anime to incorporate.

 

[Piplup]

Re: Pokemon World Tournament !

Well, it's all speculation right now anyway, so it's not like either of us is right or wrong...
Guess we'll have to wait and see... and as I said, I hope I'm wrong and that there is a Contest, but I better not get too excited about something that isn't confirmed to happen yet
I wonder when we'll get more details about all of this... it'll be kind of annoying to have to keep speculating with no more real info for a lot of time...

 

[Silktree]

Re: Pokemon World Tournament !

The preview could reveal a fair amount of things.

 

[Cybersai]

Re: Pokemon World Tournament !

Considering Cynthia promised Ash a battle in the Champion league, and here we have this, its very likely what the writers had planned all along.

This will be set AFTER the Unova league so it most likely wouldn't be something Ash could enter unless he had a big accomplishment.

 

[sonic10158]

Re: Pokemon World Tournament !

Im sorry, unless it is confirmed, I don't see Ash winning either. Especially the unova league.

 

[Piplup]

Re: Pokemon World Tournament !

Considering Cynthia promised Ash a battle in the Champion league, and here we have this, its very likely what the writers had planned all along.

No, this is NOT the "Champion League", it is a "Battle Tournament"
We don't even know for sure if Cynthia participates herself or just organize the event
We don't really know ANYTHING so please do not state your opinions as facts

This will be set AFTER the Unova league

There's absolutely no reason at all to believe so at the moment
It's more than likely something that is going to happen in the very near future, and that would mean it's happening BEFORE the Unova League

so it most likely wouldn't be something Ash could enter unless he had a big accomplishment.

We have no idea what is needed in order to participate in this tournament... actually, we barely know anything about this tournament
Also, Ash already have some impressive achievements anyway like being the winner of the Orange League, beating the Battle Frontier and pretty much getting the status of a Frontier Brain, being Top 4 in the Sinnoh League (which Cynthia watched) only losing to someone who used legendaries that no one could defeat his Darkrai other than Ash...
Dawn herself have a nice achievement with her second place at the Sinnoh Grand Festival, in case she's participating too then it could be part of why she was invited/allowed to enter

 

[Cybersai]

Re: Pokemon World Tournament !

Considering nobody thinks this is happening before the league but you, I don't see why you're intent on that.

They're not going to holdover BW1 stuff like Drayden and the league when they want to advertise new stuff.

 

[Piplup]

Re: Pokemon World Tournament !

Considering nobody thinks this is happening before the league but you, I don't see why you're intent on that.

At least two others agreed with me before that this is probably before the League
Also, even if no one agreed with me, that doesn't mean I'm wrong at all, since none of us knows more than the other

They're not going to holdover BW1 stuff like Drayden and the league when they want to advertise new stuff.

Who says Drayden isn't in BW2? who says Drayden's appearance won't involve some of his BW2 story? who says the League won't involve some BW2 characters and heavily feature older Pokémon which is one of BW2's main things?
Also, they don't really have to rush anything in order to advertise BW2 - they're showing us both Homika AND the Pokéwood BEFORE the start of "Season 2" and BEFORE the release of BW2 and BEFORE Ash gets his final badge... it's more than enough to see they can easily advertise BW2 even in the time from now until the League...

I still insist that everything advertised on that scan will most likely happen in the very near future
I can see July having a Meloetta two parter, August doing the tournament thing, September can be Dawn's eps if she isn't in the tournament, then October will be the kami trio eps (if not even in September in case Dawn IS only appearing for that tournament)
Then Ash can get his final badge by the end of 2012 and the League will be done by April 2013
Then we'll have about a year and a half (which is about 78 eps) for whatever they want to do after the League, until BW will end around September 2014 in time for next gen
That seems to make sense more than anything else to me (and again, we're all speculating - I can be wrong, I admit that, but so can you or anyone else here... none of us knows anything, we're all just speculating and stating our opinions)

 

[Cybersai]

Re: Pokemon World Tournament !

Everything on that poster also isn't likely to happen one after the other. Fillers and stretched out arcs may happen inbetween. For all we know Dawn may not show up till around November or December.

Considering we had don battle tournaments as normal tournaments this one is showcased as being special.

 

[Piplup]

Re: Pokemon World Tournament !

Everything on that poster also isn't likely to happen one after the other. Fillers and stretched out arcs may happen inbetween. For all we know Dawn may not show up till around November or December.

I still find it most likely that all stuff shown on that scan is the first batch of episodes in this season, with possibly one or two "fillers" between each event (and as said each event will probably be just like 2 eps for Meloetta, 5 eps AT MOST for Cynthia/tornament, additional 5 eps AT MOST for Dawn IF she isn't in the tournament, another 2 eps for kami trio = that's a total of maximum 14 eps and probably even less than that, with 1-2 fillers in between events it'll take about 4 months)

Considering we had don battle tournaments as normal tournaments this one is showcased as being special.

Don George's tournaments also got some magazine scans promoting them... this one may seem a big deal but that's only due to it being based on a game event and because of the fact it involves past characters
It still doesn't mean anything and it's still most likely just one tournament that will get 5 eps at most in the good case and it's still most likely to happen before the League...

 

[Hidden Mew]

Re: Pokemon World Tournament !

Considering nobody thinks this is happening before the league but you, I don't see why you're intent on that.

I also believe that this is going to happen before the Unova League. Even with the faster pace and Ash getting his seventh badge soon, I can't see them getting into the Unova League any earlier than September/October. Plus, I don't see why they would promote the tournament happening in the anime if it wasn't going to happen in the near future, like around the time B/W2 are released in the summer. That would make more sense than saving it for after Ash gets his eighth badge and participate in the Unova League.

I don't think that this means he'll win the Unova League and to be perfectly honest, I don't want Ash to win the league. I don't think he deserves it when his skills in most of his Gym battles have been considerably weaker than they were in the past and the vast majority of his Pokemon that aren't Pikachu and the Unova starters need more training. I think Ash winning the Unova League would be meaningless given his skills and the fact that his rivalry with Trip is pretty much nonexistent at this point. At least with the idea of Ash winning the Sinnoh League, it made more sense given skills he showed in most of his Gym battles, actively training his Pokemon throughout the region and the development/importance of his rivalry with Paul made the idea that their match would be in the finals more believable than Ash vs. Trip in the Unova League finals. Although, I didn't really believe he would win that league either, but I think that there was slightly better evidence for that argument.

As for the tournament itself, I don't see Ash winning it either, especially if Elite 4 trainers are participating in it, but I do hope that they showcase more of the new Gym Leader characters through the tournament if it includes Gym Leaders from different regions. If it's only including noticeably strong trainers from different competitions, then maybe the prize would be becoming a Gym Leader, although it would be secret since I don't think becoming a Gym Leader would appeal to Ash, and Cheren could win it to become a Normal type Gym Leader. I don't know how likely that is, especially when Cheren being a Gym Leader in the games probably requires Lenora to leave her Gym, but it would be pretty cool to see Cheren and possibly how he becomes a Gym Leader.

 

[jokool]

Re: Pokemon World Tournament !

What If BW season 2 is about ''Pokemon World Tournament'' where Ash participating !

I like the sound of that.

What if Ash actually win both Unova league & Champion league And then He enter "Pokemon World Tournament'' where face of other champion & Gym leader !

I really like the sound of that!

FYI : It's also mean Misty appearing there As Ash's rival in BW Season 2 !

I love the sound of that!