Would hate for later generation Pokemon be more justified if it were conceptual hate?

[Mitchman]

I was thinking about this yesterday, and I was wondering:
Would hating Pokemon from the later gens be more justified if it were to stem from a conceptual disagreement and not an artistic one? What I mean is people tend to hate Pokemon based on their looks, and not what they mean. Were I'm going is that gen 1&2 laid foundations for what the types were portrayed by and how, and perhaps later generations muddled the idea behind them. Thoughts?

 

[Mysticmon]

Re: Would hate for later generation Pokemon be more justified if it were conceptual h

Those are two different groups of people judging. The A group is people who play for fun and adventure, picking Pokemon based on themselves. The B group is all the competitive players, who judge based on skill. I think the hate stems from a dislike for change or maybe some people think an endless amount of Pokemon is too much. I certainly don't.

I do agree its more sensible to hate a Pokemon for its use rather than looks, but people are going to go for both reasons. And hate is a personal issue. We are both free to enjoy what we want. I can be cool with haters and worshippers, even though they both are extremists.

 

[Bolt Strike]

Re: Would hate for later generation Pokemon be more justified if it were conceptual h

The only thing I really hate about the later generations is that many of them tend to reuse older concepts. For instance, the regional rodents and regional birds, those are especially annoying because they almost always have the same type and similar movesets, making them pratically interchangeable. Also, many 5th gen Pokemon were obvious references to older ones (primarily first gen), which IMO really cheapens the idea of 5th gen being a "fresh start". Like, okay, you got rid of Zubat, but it really doesn't make a difference because Woobat serves the exact same purpose.

 

[Mysticmon]

Re: Would hate for later generation Pokemon be more justified if it were conceptual h

The only thing I really hate about the later generations is that many of them tend to reuse older concepts. For instance, the regional rodents and regional birds, those are especially annoying because they almost always have the same type and similar movesets, making them pratically interchangeable. Also, many 5th gen Pokemon were obvious references to older ones (primarily first gen), which IMO really cheapens the idea of 5th gen being a "fresh start". Like, okay, you got rid of Zubat, but it really doesn't make a difference because Woobat serves the exact same purpose.

ok, i actually kind of agree. though i like the starter birds. i always recruit a bird in my party because they have good attack and speed while also being capable of flight. as for Zubat/Woobat (i haven't gotten past the beginning of Pokemon Black yet), Zubat's purpose was the same as any other cave bat in any other RPG. not particularly the strongest enemy, but abundant and agitating.

we could probably get some variety on the starter rats, or at least new types other than Normal.

 

[ToppoNeko]

Re: Would hate for later generation Pokemon be more justified if it were conceptual h

Those are two different groups of people judging. The A group is people who play for fun and adventure, picking Pokemon based on themselves. The B group is all the competitive players, who judge based on skill. I think the hate stems from a dislike for change or maybe some people think an endless amount of Pokemon is too much. I certainly don't.

I do agree its more sensible to hate a Pokemon for its use rather than looks, but people are going to go for both reasons. And hate is a personal issue. We are both free to enjoy what we want. I can be cool with haters and worshippers, even though they both are extremists.

I'm really an A type of player. I'm not a real competetive battler. I've battled competitively once or twice, but I'm not shofu.

 

[phantomness]

Re: Would hate for later generation Pokemon be more justified if it were conceptual h

I'm totally an A type player too. I dislike Trubbish because it is so ugly and annoying, and Bidoof because it is creepy and Watchog knows Confuse Ray, Hypnosis, and Crunch and Super Fang. Pretty much all of the Pokemon I like and think are cute or cool-looking fall in the Neverused and Underused tiers on smogon. Actually, I thought some of the Gen V designs were decent, (exceptions include Yamask, Sigilyph, Basculin, Stunfisk, Shelmet, Karrablast, etc.) but I'm not feeling too sure about Generation 6 - I don't like the way Froakie and Chespin look.