Would you say the Hoenn and Sinnoh regions has plenty of originality?

[Unoriginal_Nickname]

A guy seemingly in love with the Johto region-Who knows why?- had this to say about the Hoenn and Sinnoh regions.

" As I stated before, the majority of Hoenn and Sinnoh are just as filler infested as Johto, perhaps more. But of course, the fact that Hoenn and Sinnoh's episodes are mostly remakes of the classic episodes is what makes them 10 times worse than Johto."

And as another guy said:
"Sinnoh (and if ya ask me, Hoenn too) are just rip offs of
classic episodes.


That is a fact because the majority of Sinnoh episodes are NOWHERE near original at all. The series itself cloned the best original series. Out of the 191 episodes, nearly 80% of the episodes are sh9tty remakes of the old episodes. Plus, the cold open intro is crap, very nice way to clone the cold open from Cardcaptors (which I consider creative imo). Did I mention that the flashbacks are crap too? "


I haven't seen all Advanced generation or Diamond and Pearl episodes, but from what I seen, very little is actually copied.

What do you guys think?

 

[MarshiyanMisutaa]

I think, the guys you talking about is must be crazy. Don't be near them again!

 

[Del Rio]

Having legitimate battles and some form of story structure makes it automatically better than the messy first season or the filler hell that is Johto.

 

[Matt3225]

Totally I mean the Ash vs Paul battle was totally a ripoff of the Ash vs Gary battle it was just mind blowingly better. Seriously sure they use some plots more than once but most the episodes are not recycled versions of episodes in the OS

 

[Psychotic]

Even if it is a copied version of a original series Its not a "cheap ripoff" when in fact its been remade for the better. The writers got better so if they did redo old plots they did them in a better fashion than the originals.

Sinnoh > Originals for that one reason.

*shot*


But, IMO, Sinnoh has plenty of originality. They might have used a few older plot lines but for the most part i don't think in anyway they are cheap ripoffs.

 

[Sombra29]

Totally I mean the Ash vs Paul battle was totally a ripoff of the Ash vs Gary battle it was just mind blowingly better. Seriously sure they use some plots more than once but most the episodes are not recycled versions of episodes in the OS

Of course, and Silver vs Ethan in the Raikoh special opening was obviously a rip off too right?Oh,and don't forget May vs Drew in the kanto gf.Those battles were all exactly the same!I couldn't even tell the difference if it wasn't because newer seasons are in HD!

[/sarcasm]

I will just say...watch the entire seasons or get a clearer idea of what they are about, than rely on the opinions of others :s

INB4 the "closing thread for being just another old seasons vs new seasons"

 

[Rafia]

Yes it has originality, do you want to read an essay?

 

[hhhhdmt]

the paul storyline was very orignal, very different from anything we have ever seen before so yeah it does have orignality

 

[Rоulette Goddess]

i guess so.

i loved hoenn and i loved how things got handled.

as for sinnoh, regardless of its "originality," many things got handled poorly (brock, repetitive appeals from dawn, lack of appearances by kenny and nando, barry's team, etc.).

i don't really like the fact that ash, gary, and other past characters matured over the years. as of hoenn, they became wise and, you know, "smart." i liked when things were funny. when ash made lame jokes about misty, for example. or when pikachu showed his love for ketchup.

but in the end, every pokémon series is original. many things could have been handled in a better way, though.

 

[Dogasu]

You guys also have to realize that Kanto wasn't all that original, either. It's just as guilty of recycling plots (from other series that had done that kind of thing years before) as the newer episodes are.

 

[Rocketshipper]

EIGHTY percent of Shinou is remakes of old plots? no way. Thats a huge exageration. and seriosuly the ONLY way you could consider Hoenn and Shinou as having *more* filler than Johto is if you somehow considered Contest related episodes to be filler. Which wopuld just be stupid.

And I do not recall CCS having cold openings at all. Does this person really think the jaapnese writers of pokemon got the idea for cood openings from the butchered dub of CCS?

 

[Hassel]

I think I smell a nostalgiafag around here.

At least the DP fillers aren't as bad as many of Johto's.

 

[AuraSoul93]

The only thing that bugged me about Hoenn (and the rest of AG tbh) was Ash's lack of a legit rival. Besides that, I liked how Hoenn & Sinnoh were showcased. While I agree there were plenty of useless fillers in both, that's no reason to hate them unless you completely despise the Johto saga as well.

 

[Dexter]

Ash and friends meet a COTD in need of help with a pokemon...

Team Rocket comes with expensive machine and takes pokemon or Pikachu...

Ash and friends take back Pikachu or POTD...

Ash and friends say goodbye to COTD.

Rinse. Lather. Repeat.

Got it.

 

[PlatinumDude]

Now that I think about it...some of the episodes have recycled storylines (like whenever Ash gets a Fire Pokemon, it tends to be abused for some reason prior to its capture).

 

[BugMite]

Ash and friends meet a COTD in need of help with a pokemon...

Team Rocket comes with expensive machine and takes pokemon or Pikachu...

Ash and friends take back Pikachu or POTD...

Ash and friends say goodbye to COTD.

Rinse. Lather. Repeat.

Got it.

Aren't we all glad we don't see that pattern as often as we used to?:-D

 

[Pidgeot]

Aren't we all glad we don't see that pattern as often as we used to?:-D

Of course. In the place of that we get contests and one-off tournaments, which are much more interesting. Also, we've got more rivals and more pokemon owned by main characters, so you'll find that there's about 10-20% of fillers, compared to Johto's massive 50%.

 

[pokemon fan 132]

Hoeen and Sinnoh had their orginal moments,with some thing being improved like animation,better treatment of group pokemon ,storyline being more consistent,villains getting proper treatment,girls getting bigger rols etc.

But to be honest Kanto,Orange and Johto had more humor,better interaction between charcters with big merit going to Misty imo.Plots were less based on games,with more anime only elemnts being added into them with games.

For example you wont see that kind of gym challenges,arcs like one with Sabrina,StAnne,Whirl islands or whole Orange Islands which was complete anime production not being tied to games in these days.

Talking about recycled plots,true it cant be denied how some earlier plots from older series has been recycled(like that battle of Pikachu vs Raichu having smilarity with Lt.Surge gym and his Raichu being accompnied with flashback),but to be honest when series go on from more than 600 episodes it can be to expect seeing some reuse.However that doesnt change original plots being more unpredictable and special because of fact of being used for first time back than.

So in end,i like Hoenn and DP but i enjoyed in original series more and everything they brought.

 

[Pidgeot]

For example you wont see that kind of gym challenges,arcs like one with Sabrina,StAnne,Whirl islands or whole Orange Islands which was complete anime production not being tied to games in these days.

You seem to of forgot the anime-only islands in the east of Hoenn, both the Pokeringers, all the contests, most of the plots in the gym cities, and the summer school arc.

 

[pokemon fan 132]

You seem to of forgot the anime-only islands in the east of Hoenn, both the Pokeringers, all the contests, most of the plots in the gym cities, and the summer school arc.

No i havent,being reason why i credited Hoenn and Sinnoh for having some originality.Also contests are coming from games.

My point was that earlier seasons followed less games being more unpredictable,aside from anime only arcs like other regions had straying away from game canon to that extent of not introdusing so many game characters and giving us even whole anime exclusive region like OI.