XY Ash vs Paul

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Depends. Ash always resets himself his power is based on how far into the series he is. We don't how much of that is the same with Paul. For instance if Paul used Torterra instead of one of his unevolved pokemon could he have swept Ash's team when they first met? We don't know if he had Torterra on him knowing he needed empty slots for his Starly.

But assuming max potential on both sides XY Ash for sure.
 
XY Ash, but I can't see it being a complete shut-out loss for Paul like the sort he got from Cynthia and Brandon; who knows what he's been up to since his last battle with Ash? There's no way he's been sitting around with Reggie and twiddling his thumbs during Ash's Unova and Kalos journeys.
 
Gengarzilla said:
XY Ash, but I can't see it being a complete shut-out loss for Paul like the sort he got from Cynthia and Brandon; who knows what he's been up to since his last battle with Ash? There's no way he's been sitting around with Reggie and twiddling his thumbs during Ash's Unova and Kalos journeys.
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We are basing it on what we know as Paul's peak vs Ash's. Paul is peak at when he lost to Ash, this Ash is peak at taking on a near champion level trainer. In that respect he would wipe the floor with Paul (6-4 win I think) with Pikachu and Greninja remaining.
 
Rajas20 said:
We are basing it on what we know as Paul's peak vs Ash's. Paul is peak at when he lost to Ash, this Ash is peak at taking on a near champion level trainer. In that respect he would wipe the floor with Paul (6-4 win I think) with Pikachu and Greninja remaining.
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Going by the endurance and power we've seen out of his Torterra, Ursaring, and Drapion, it would certainly be a close result and not a curbstomp by any means. Ursaring would also have twice the chances to activate Guts and throw around its sheer power here; with Talonflame's Flame Body now present on top of Pikachu's Static.
I'm imagining this with a team of Electivire, Ursaring, Honchkrow, Torterra, Magmortar, and Drapion, those six seem like his most reliable battlers. I'd only call it a wipeout if he used his team from the League Full Battle.
 
Gengarzilla said:
Going by the endurance and power we've seen out of his Torterra, Ursaring, and Drapion, it would certainly be a close result and not a curbstomp by any means. Ursaring would also have twice the chances to activate Guts and throw around its sheer power here; with Talonflame's Flame Body now present on top of Pikachu's Static.
I'm imagining this with a team of Electivire, Ursaring, Honchkrow, Torterra, Magmortar, and Drapion, those six seem like his most reliable battlers. I'd only call it a wipeout if he used his team from the League Full Battle.
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I don't think that XY Ash will let Ursaring get Guts or Electivire get Motordrive.
 
Paul has a chance IF he uses pure power:

Torterra
Drapion
Electiwire
Nidoking or Ursaring
Magmortar
Weavile

anyone who thinks it would be easy isn't paying attention to the fact that Ash's XY team, although great, is extremely vulnerable to both ICE and Electric attacks. Yes, Ash has overcome type advantages many times but here he is facing a serious power battler.

Ash would be heavily reliant on Greninja and Pikahu. Talonflame may do well vs some of Pauls pokemon but i doubt it can beat more than one.

IMO, Paul probably wins. Now, if Ash used his best team overall from all regions, then he wins.
 
hhhhdmt said:
Paul has a chance IF he uses pure power:

Torterra
Drapion
Electiwire
Nidoking or Ursaring
Magmortar
Weavile

anyone who thinks it would be easy isn't paying attention to the fact that Ash's XY team, although great, is extremely vulnerable to both ICE and Electric attacks. Yes, Ash has overcome type advantages many times but here he is facing a serious power battler.

Ash would be heavily reliant on Greninja and Pikahu. Talonflame may do well vs some of Pauls pokemon but i doubt it can beat more than one.

IMO, Paul probably wins. Now, if Ash used his best team overall from all regions, then he wins.
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I don't think that Paul is the type of trainer who would use pure power and thats it.
 
HiroHunter said:
I don't think that XY Ash will let Ursaring get Guts or Electivire get Motordrive.
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You really cannot stop an Ability from getting activated.... Pikachu and Talonflame mostly use contact moves, so it can work in Ursaring's favour.

HiroHunter said:
I don't think that Paul is the type of trainer who would use pure power and thats it.
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He borderline abused his Pokemon for their pure power. So why wouldn’t he use power? I don’t get your reasoning here.
 
HiroHunter said:
No I don't think that XY Ash would use Pikachu or Talonflame on Ursaring
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There are some times when you really don’t have a choice. For example, he has no other profitable matchup and he needs to use Pikachu/Talonflame as a last resort, since he usually saves his ace for the end. Ash is twice as vulnerable in XY as compared to DP to Ursaring, which may be an issue in a heated battle.
 
PkmnTrainerV said:
There are some times when you really don’t have a choice. For example, he has no other profitable matchup and he needs to use Pikachu/Talonflame as a last resort, since he usually saves his ace for the end. Ash is twice as vulnerable in XY as compared to DP to Ursaring, which may be an issue in a heated battle.
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Ok but I still think that XY Ash will win with mid to high diff
 
Hmm… tough question. I actually consider Ash and Paul to be almost on par in terms of strength and strategy, so this could be a tough match.

XY Ash has his overly powerful Greninja, which was able to hold its own against Diantha’s Mega Gardevoir, so that may give him the upper hand. However, Paul could try to compensate to the difference in power with some clever strategies.

Overall, I feel like Ash is the better Trainer strength-wise, but by a very slight margin.
 
Abit late to the party, but this topic sparked my interest.

I think it would be very close battle. Because as controversial Paul strategy was and some of his acts are immoral in regards to treatment of pokemon it cannot be denied that hes a very skilled trainer.

On one side we have Ash who believes and invests more in creating strong bonds with pokemopn treating them as friends and equals. And because of that two way street of trust and love we often witnessed; his pokemon due to persistence and force of will to do everything they can to go with their trainer Ash all way through were capable of enduring and taking much more than they should have. We see this all the time with pokemon like Sceptile, Charizard, Infernape not giving up despite incredible amount of dmg it took in league. His Swellov, Greninja etc.

While on other side we have someone who is completely pragmatic and calculated sticking to effective and most optimal strategies. Who trains hard discipline among his pokemopn conditioned by fear of not letting down their trainer and pushing themselves to limits.

That would be Paul and while he showed signs of softening up caring more for pokemon even after losing him battle, his methodology and approach to pokemon battling remained from last time we saw him largely same. Taking fully advantage of factors like type weakness, counter moves and pokemon special abilities to his advantage. Being very well prepared in knowing how to battle with tank like pokemon like his Torterra is, but agile ones as well.

Way battle flowed between Ash and Paul in Lily of Valley conference suggests how win could have gone either way with Ash winning barely. And we cannot ignore that Paul didn't really battled at full power either due to not bringing his strongest pokemon Torterra in match, or some fairly impressive ones like Ursaring.

Although Ash didn't brought his best ones at that time, and while for power of plot Ash could win regardless if writers deem that's necessary to prove something.

If we ignore real life aspect comparing this two trainers only within their universe, in whatever future encounter and battle both might participate based on power of their pokemon, trainer abilities and tactics both Ash and Paul would have equal chance of winning.

Including XYZ Ash and his mega evolution esque Greninja. YES if we compare Paul in DP to Ash from XYZ who progressed alot as trainer in meantime reaching new depths of better understanding his pokemon and coming up with new sophisticated battle styles.
Having on his side incredibly powerful transformed Greninja, than sure he has advantage over Paul giving him better percentage of winning.

BUT we cannot pretend like Paul in meantime stayed at exact same level and situation as he used to be at end of DP saga. We have no idea what other pokemon he may have caught or might have never being showed. How much he progressed in strategies and breaking new boundaries with his pokemon and their strength in heated desire to re challenge Brandon again and win.

Moreover Paul among showed pokemon has at least one pokemon capable of mega evolving:Aggron. So who is to say Paul couldn't have in meantime learned about mega evolution aspect and unlock his Aggron potential to mega evolve in mega Aggron? With mega evolution on his side he would have nearly equal fire power to confront transformed Greninja.
Not to mention Paul is well versed in battling both with agile and heavy robust pokemon as revealed in making very good use of his Torterra defensively waiting for right moment to win through impressive strength of its attacks.

Ash in comparison still haven't got accustomed in making best use of such heavy pokemon as his Torterra showed using perhaps not best moves or exploring how to protect its weak sides enough(exception being Snorlax). Being in his element and battling best when using fast and speedy pokemon being better accuistomed to his battle style.

So in reality I would say Ash from XYZ would win over Paul only if we ignore Paul progression and what might have changed since end of Sinnoh series. But since time hasn't froze for Paul travelling , capturing new pokemnon and improving just like Ash did in meantime, chances are that Ash from Kalos and Paul would be roughly equal in power with only nuances decidoing between them if they ever battled each other again. Which would be something i would like to see happen one day honestly due to Paul being probably best rival Ash had so far.

Not so much in entertainment aspect or inter jumping chemistry going on between two trainers, that crown goes to Gary imo. But in terms of how to build proactive story where clash of different methods and ideologies affect both characters, Paul left simply better trail in that aspect feeling his story and rivalry with Ash even at end of DP still had juice in itself to make something more out of it. So called extended version, follow up you could say.
 
XY Ash is stronger but mostly because of his Greninja which is above any of Paul's pokemon, the rest of Ash's team gets hard countered due to the variety and the amount of firepower Paul has.

JN Paul is a different story because we seen him use pokemon in a training battle that were the same species as some of the Champions of the Masters 8 with similar movesets. The three pokemon he used held their own against Ash's JN pokemon and managed to KO one of them.

Also seeing as Paul's Electivire tagged along I find it silly that it stayed stagnant and didn't improve since DP, same applies to his Torterra and many others.

JN Ash > JN Paul > XY Ash > DP Paul
 
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