Mafia The Pokemon Starters Mafia (Mafia Wins)

[Snowy]

He's never assumed he's already dead before, like this:

This is true... MCH's mafia meta is that he usually gets angry and defensive, and highly frustrated. It's more like he's just giving up here.

 

[HumanDawn]

@HumanDawn tbh it's going to be really hard to explain it to you (or anyone) if you aren't familiar with MCH's "meta" (the quotation marks are because I don't think unintentionally consistent anti-town behavior should be considered a meta, but it's a reality that impossible to ignore). Yes I know, ideally one shouldn't rely on meta to read a player and a new game should start fresh (insert rest of scumhunting 101 lecture here) but its unrealistic. Zexy can understand what I'm saying because we've experienced the same thing with leetic, where a townie played so intensely anti-town that you were sure they couldnt actually be mafia, and it's kinda shaken up our (at least my) confidence with these kinds of situations. I'd also like to clarify that I'm not arguing against voting MCH, merely offering another perspective to consider. I think that's something town should decide together.

I'd just like something more than "Ehh, that's just our good old ROMCH!" and "What HumanDawn said is interesting.". I don't want a mislynch as much as the next Townie but ROMCH hasn't done himself any justice and he keeps on ringing alarm bells in my head. I understand having fear but just bringing in that you have fear with some meta as to why doesn't really help me. Actually, bringing in a new perspective that opposes my perspective is defending him in a way as it says something that is beneficial to him and against me. I'd definitely change vote if there was a better target than ROMCH, which I don't see being offered.

I'm always voted off because I "sound" scummy. This is really no different. If its "Unsportsmanlike" to vote someone because of their high chance of being scum, why is it okay to vote me off because I "sound" scummy.

Then you should have just said so...

 

[MMMMMMMMMMMMM]

Now, I'm going to go build me a castle with my frubbles. One where I can keep a better eye on the other pokemon.

O RLY???

 

[Zexy]

I'm always voted off because I "sound" scummy. This is really no different. If its "Unsportsmanlike" to vote someone because of their high chance of being scum, why is it okay to vote me off because I "sound" scummy.

Eh, I don't care. Do what you want.

You're not helping your case; you have a "looks anti-town when town" meta too, you know.

Twisting my words, much?

I don't get it. You hound me for not wanting to lynch someone day one. You hound me the one game I go for an information lynch based on the only person that I suspect would turn up scummy.

Wrong. I hound you for talking about only 2 players. You can talk about your reads on more than 1 player; it's note like the only reads you should make for the day are scum on those you voted.

That's not a bad idea. Do you want to start a zexy bandwagon, or shall I?

If I suspected Zexy of being scum, I would be voting him over anyone else in this game because he makes a dangerous enemy... But I don't see anything to give me a reason to do that.

Do you suspect me or not? This is just confusing. It's confusing the town. So it is anti-town...
Doesn't mean you are scum, though, because I've seen similar anti-town behaviour from you in other games you were town in...

Now, I'm going to go build me a castle with my frubbles. One where I can keep a better eye on the other pokemon.

This is not a softclaim; it's as hard as you can get
Little point since we have no way to know that the Pokemon in question is town anyway.
Not to mention that Pikochu raised a valid point about not wanting to give scum the info.

 

[Space]

About this whole meta thing... I dunno, but couldn't player styles change depending on game setups/mechanics? For example since no one has any powers yet that could maybe affect how they go about doing things.

Imo a good lynch for info would be hellcrow, he hasn't posted since d1 began and has yet to take off his joke vote

So why didn't you vote him?

That's always a risk, but given that the flips are our only way of getting information at this point, I think it's dumb to no lynch.

Anyone you think is particularly suspicious yet then?

As for me I'm not sure who to vote yet. Waiting on mch to maybe try and defend himself and also look back some more.

 

[Zexy]

About this whole meta thing... I dunno, but couldn't player styles change depending on game setups/mechanics? For example since no one has any powers yet that could maybe affect how they go about doing things.

Some players have traits they've shown in all kinds of games, outside chat allowed or not, many roles or not.

 

[Sunsette]

I'm always voted off because I "sound" scummy. This is really no different. If its "Unsportsmanlike" to vote someone because of their high chance of being scum, why is it okay to vote me off because I "sound" scummy.

Eh, I don't care. Do what you want.

You should care. You should care enough about not letting yourself get mislynched and finding the right person to lynch that you give an actual reason when you vote and an actual defense of your actions.

What information are you claiming to have? This:

I call it a blind lynch because we have no information on anyone right now... Kinda like closing your eyes, waving a gun around and pulling the trigger... and hoping you caught a bad guy.

The last time I blind voted ROMCH, he did turn out to be scum so...

makes it quite clear you don't think we have anything, and you outright said you were blind voting MCH. You're contradicting yourself.

Vote: Molten Eevee

 

[Life]

The rMCH derpclear isn't the only thing I'm talking about, though, Life. If anything it is HD who keeps bringing it up, I just said "kinda town" and it snowballed from there. And I don't think HD is scum because of what he said about rMCH, no animosity from my part.

You asked HD to stop before though so I'm not sure why you wouldn't do it again, which is what confused me. Unless you thought the conversation could have got somewhere (which I guess in this case it turned out to) then I was suspicious of why it was being continued. It was simply my mistake and wrong prediction then to think the argument was going to have a negative outcome on the game, and I apologize for that quick assumption. Looks like it was the opposite, which is good.

Yeah but still, it's just not something I'd say "FoS" worthy, and it seemed weird to say it was when you said it wasn't out of style.

Different players, different experiences. I remember games where people harped on RS and it seemed to go nowhere, he wouldn't reply much, people would go after them more, and it would end in a mislynch or just a distracting mess. I don't even remember ROMCH's meta that much, plus, it's beyond just being jumpy, and I thought that going after him could help the thread much more. Hmm, though... honestly? I think I might have just gone and voted RS and questioned him if he did say what he said early on before I had nobody else to vote on, even if it could be confusing because it would be "something" to get people to talk about.

Well, I'm not sure how to respond tbh. Like I said I like to bring up those things so they're easier for me to notice when going back and looking at earlier posts and actions. And I think that just because someone does something that suits them doesn't mean the action isn't suspicious from a third-party view point, which is why I FoSed him. Especially because RS is so sporadic you never know what his intentions are.

I'm always voted off because I "sound" scummy. This is really no different. If its "Unsportsmanlike" to vote someone because of their high chance of being scum, why is it okay to vote me off because I "sound" scummy.

Eh, I don't care. Do what you want.

Seriously?

If you sound scummy then you're likely going to get voted off, that's how the game works. If you think rMCH sounds scummy then say that when you vote him, and nobody would have a problem with that.
People have a problem though if you think that he has a high chance of being scum simply because he was scum in a previous similar situation. That's a vote based off of no evidence/suspicion which is why people were/are against it.

Also, it's very alarming that you don't seem to care about what people have to say in response to your posts. It makes me wonder if you're going to help out the town or are just going to act independently this entire time, also seeing as how you shared which character you are which was stated to be more beneficial to the mafia in the beginning in the phase. All of these actions are so blatantly anti-town that I want to vote you off but don't think it's how you or most other people would be acting if you were mafia. I'm torn, honestly.

O RLY???

Do you have a point in asking him this or are you just joking around? It would be really beneficial for us if you could let us know your opinions on the game so far instead of posting silly responses to largely unimportant sentences.

 

[HumanDawn]

@Sunsette; nice name btw

Any thoughts on ROMCH?

 

[Snowy]

Then you should have just said so...

I'm sorry. It's early morning. I'm tired and I'm grumpy. It happens. Probably too often.

O RLY???

RLY.

You're not helping your case; you have a "looks anti-town when town" meta too, you know.

To be fair, I have no mafia meta yet. Which is depressing, lol.

Doesn't mean you are scum, though, because I've seen similar anti-town behaviour from you in other games you were town in...

I don't like how you keep accusing me of "anti-town behaviour"... I haven't done much of anything yet.

This is not a softclaim; it's as hard as you can get

What are you talking about? My frubbles are soft and easy to land on when falling from a great height.

Spoiler

Seriously though, it's a hard claim to those that watch the anime since said feature is missing from the games

Little point since we have no way to know that the Pokemon in question is town anyway.

Point taken, but I'm making the claim anyway.

Not to mention that Pikochu raised a valid point about not wanting to give scum the info.

I'm not sure knowing which pokemon I am can be used against me. If I wasn't lazy, I'd change my theme just for this game.

I seem to have missed that post from Piko. Must go back and look later.

 

[MMMMMMMMMMMMM]

Sorry. I just didn't expect type (and region) revealing this early on from town. That would cause you to be a target IF scum is water or from Kalos.

 

[MMMMMMMMMMMMM]

In case you're interested that is a 44% chance. That's why I'm not revealing.

 

[Zexy]

To be fair, I have no mafia meta yet. Which is depressing, lol.

Wrong. You've shown a similar town meta in XY and US Presdiential Election 2016 at the very least...

I don't like how you keep accusing me of "anti-town behaviour"... I haven't done much of anything yet.

The way in which you're not doing much while posting a lot and confusing people is exactly what's anti-town.
For the record, I'm not the only one accusing you of this...

Spoiler

Seriously though, it's a hard claim to those that watch the anime since said feature is missing from the games

And everybody who'll realize it was a claim (because you actually bolded it!) and make a quick Google search...

 

[Sunsette]

@Sunsette; nice name btw

Any thoughts on ROMCH?

Thank you

An elaborate shrug and a "meh, could go either way". What you pointed out with his knowing information from the OP when he claimed to not have read is indeed odd and the fact that he seems so willing to just lay down and die this early also doesn't say anything good to me, I'm not convinced just yet that it makes him scum. I admit I'm not paying too much attention to the debate about his meta because I haven't played with him before and meta really only matters to me when someone is acting in a way very outside their norm.

 

[Elementar]

What... how would it be a good idea to lynch people you have no clue what their play styles are? I'm genuinely curious. Also like a couple of others have stated it's only Day 1 and (I don't think) it's exactly close to ending yet. By Day 2, yeah, if people are still inactive have at it, but it's only Day 1.

I'd rather play with people who I've played with before, because they're less unpreditable to me. That's just my personal opinion.

Vote: Elementar

Keeps trying to get us to go for an easy lynch. First they recommend maybe MMM because they could be playing the newbie card and we'll never know, and next they want to go for inactives despite the day not even being halfway over. Feels like they're really eager to lynch someone without wanting to argue anyone.

Ummm... I said to not lynch M*13. I wanted to see what they would do later. And personally, I'd rather lynch an inactive than lynch a powerful player such as Mido or Zexy. And I believe that as said before, it isn't a really bad outcome if you accidentally get a mislynch. That's why it would be better if you mislynched an inactive, because they won't contribute as much.

 

[Snowy]

Seriously?

Seriously.

If you sound scummy then you're likely going to get voted off, that's how the game works. If you think rMCH sounds scummy then say that when you vote him, and nobody would have a problem with that.
People have a problem though if you think that he has a high chance of being scum simply because he was scum in a previous similar situation. That's a vote based off of no evidence/suspicion which is why people were/are against it.

All votes day one are based off of no evidence.

Also, it's very alarming that you don't seem to care about what people have to say in response to your posts. It makes me wonder if you're going to help out the town or are just going to act independently this entire time, also seeing as how you shared which character you are which was stated to be more beneficial to the mafia in the beginning in the phase. All of these actions are so blatantly anti-town that I want to vote you off but don't think it's how you or most other people would be acting if you were mafia. I'm torn, honestly.

If I start caring, I'm just going to end up getting stressed and having to sub out *shrug* call it anti-town all you want, but it helps keep me sane.

Nameclaiming is beneficial to no one. Not town. Not mafia. There are 18 starters, 18 players. The mafia players could be any one of those 18 starters.

Is my claim mafia? Is my claim town? You have no way to know based on name alone.

Anyway, time for joking is over.

Unvote: Returnofmastercrazyhand

returnofmastercrazyhand - II - HumanDawn, Midorikawa

I know why I voted MCH - and it's not why people think - why did these two vote for him? I only have time to skim the thread, so I may have missed the post mentioning it.

 

[MMMMMMMMMMMMM]

Nameclaiming is beneficial to no one. Not town. Not mafia. There are 18 starters, 18 players. The mafia players could be any one of those 18 starters.

But can't the mafia kill off someone of the same type as themself in order to evolve sooner? That's clearly beneficial to the mafia more than to the town.

 

[Snowy]

Wrong. You've shown a similar town meta in XY and US Presdiential Election 2016 at the very least...

That's town meta... I have yet to properly roll mafia yet... (The only times being Chaos where I subbed in, and One Piece)... So I have no mafia meta. That's what I meant.

The way in which you're not doing much while posting a lot and confusing people is exactly what's anti-town.

"Posting a lot"? This is my third post (Back to back posts count as one post due to the no-editing rule)

And everybody who'll realize it was a claim (because you actually bolded it!) and make a quick Google search...

*throws frubbles all over Google*

 

[Sunsette]

But can't the mafia kill off someone of the same type as themself in order to evolve sooner? That's clearly beneficial to the mafia more than to the town.

This, exactly.

 

[Zexy]

Meh, I feel like I've achieved almost nothing in the scumread department. MCH, M-13 and even Molten Eevee seem town. Life too but I've seen him being REALLY good scum in LotR (long ago I know but it is the only scum game of his I know). Pikochu and Calvin I'm unsure of. Let's not even get started on the big guys HD and Mido...

Quite tired, will show up tomorrow and probably vote then because I'll be busy later in the day and I don't want to accidentally miss the voting deadline.