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[Pikochu]

I'll jump in and sub in.

Let me read up the thread. Role confirmed.

 

[Pikochu]

Also, can someone update the OP?

 

[Maniacal Engineer]

I'm totally not...okay maybe I am.

I seem to recall something about saying "I'm scum, please lynch me," in one of your early, if not your first, post in 100 Mafia.

Likewise it's easy for mafia to fake knowing how town roles are typed because generally they are just reversed. And once someone they know is townie lets slip just a little about the wording, it's easy to say they have the same. "You are town and win when all mafia are slaughtered." "You are mafia and win when you are equal to or outnumber the town." Stuff like that is so general and just basically a reverse. It's too easy to fake.

Agreed. I think Zexy got duped, which is unfortunate.

CWAC! CWUAC! CWUACK! CWQUACK! CQUACK! QUACK!

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HEY! No using my former userthemes against ME!

I agree. I've done this with scumbuddies. Questioning each other, responding to each other, etc. Best way to make it look as though you're not plotting to dismember townies in private.

I seem to recall a few obscene duck jokes in The 100 Mafia. That was amusing.

Anyone who talks too much about setup is irking as well. It avoids actual slip up topics.

Very true. In Build-It, I spent a decent amount of the first phase talking about the blueprint mechanic. Worked like a charm.

And of course we know now that Elementar was town. Also D1? No one is really most likely unless they come ou and say they're mafia.

That's true. It was pretty strong language considering the fact that it was D1, and, yes, if The 100 Mafia should have taught anybody anything it's that anyone who comes out and says that they're mafia on N0 or D1 should be lynched as scum immediately.

They totes knew. In seriousness nothing to add here.

I, too, have nothing to add here. Instead I shall multiply!
*splits into 10 MEs again*

So my dog was totally having a nightmare while I was typing this post. My poor baby. I woke her from it though of course.

I'm not sure what this had to do with anything, but I'm glad your dog isn't having a nightmare anymore. Why would a dog have a horse, anyway?

Bussing as well since you kill your scumbuddy in a game this size then you get cleared pretty easily. It's actually a smart move for winning as mafia.

Very true. Of the people on Life's bandwagon, it is entirely possible that one is scum, seems probable, in fact. Flop was the last one aboard, and had no choice considering that she knew of the cop check.
Zexy is cleared.
Sunsette voted second, without knowing about a cop check, which looks good.
ME was trusted by Zexy, attempted to act as Zexy's meatshield, and found Life to be scummy before Zexy claimed to me. Voted for Life knowing about the cop check, but giving valid reasons and rationale.
Flop was trusted by Zexy, though his reasoning seemed faulty. Barely interacted with Life before voting. Voted for Life with no reasoning that was useful to Town.

That "Since he's definitely Mafia" is an odd choice of wording as well. It shows that she knew of the cop check, but considering most of the thread didn't know of it it's strange to say since there was at the time no 100% proof that Life was scum at least not for most of the thread. It would be an even stranger comment if he didn't know of the check since then it would have to be a slip. Though here it could be either way.

She knew about the cop check, so even if it was a slip, it's explainable. I still don't like that she gave no other reasoning for voting for Life. As I said above, even her one vote was CWAC.

Oh please your post is too tiny for that behavior

I'm on mobile. Autocorrect keeps trying to screw me over.

 

[Midorikawa]

I seem to recall something about saying "I'm scum, please lynch me," in one of your early, if not your first, post in 100 Mafia.

I seem to recall you saying the same thing. Though I say that as town too.

Agreed. I think Zexy got duped, which is unfortunate.

And shocking!

HEY! No using my former userthemes against ME!

I was actually trying to ruin ducks for you.

I seem to recall a few obscene duck jokes in The 100 Mafia. That was amusing

Anything that involves me is amusing.

Very true. In Build-It, I spent a decent amount of the first phase talking about the blueprint mechanic. Worked like a charm.

Good to know in future mafia's when you talk about mechanics.

That's true. It was pretty strong language considering the fact that it was D1, and, yes, if The 100 Mafia should have taught anybody anything it's that anyone who comes out and says that they're mafia on N0 or D1 should be lynched as scum immediately.

Probably. Especially since three out of four of us said we're mafia.

I'm not sure what this had to do with anything, but I'm glad your dog isn't having a nightmare anymore. Why would a dog have a horse, anyway?

Who said anything about a horse? And everything has to do with my dog because no dog is cuter than her.

Very true. Of the people on Life's bandwagon, it is entirely possible that one is scum, seems probable, in fact. Flop was the last one aboard, and had no choice considering that she knew of the cop check.
Zexy is cleared.
Sunsette voted second, without knowing about a cop check, which looks good.
ME was trusted by Zexy, attempted to act as Zexy's meatshield, and found Life to be scummy before Zexy claimed to me. Voted for Life knowing about the cop check, but giving valid reasons and rationale.
Flop was trusted by Zexy, though his reasoning seemed faulty. Barely interacted with Life before voting. Voted for Life with no reasoning that was useful to Town.

I think the only ones not on it were me and the inactives. I just don't jump on large wagons anymore since it pointless. And I was more curious about other things than the already large life wagon.

She knew about the cop check, so even if it was a slip, it's explainable. I still don't like that she gave no other reasoning for voting for Life. As I said above, even her one vote was CWAC.

Fair point.

I'm on mobile. Autocorrect keeps trying to screw me over.

Get on a PC.

 

[Maniacal Engineer]

I seem to recall you saying the same thing. Though I say that as town too.

I said it rhetorically. Although what I did not say rhetorically that game was my self read, which everyone seemed to ignore.

And shocking!

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNyQykQ_nLE

I was actually trying to ruin ducks for you.

EVERYTHING IS RUINED 5EVAR!!!!!!!

Anything that involves me is amusing.

I've noticed that, actually.

Good to know in future mafia's when you talk about mechanics.

Blast! Now my ace in the hole is gone!

Probably. Especially since three out of four of us said we're mafia.

...*sigh* Poor @FinalArcadia the only professional among a bunch of jokers.

Who said anything about a horse? And everything has to do with my dog because no dog is cuter than her.

You did. A night mare. XD

I think the only ones not on it were me and the inactives. I just don't jump on large wagons anymore since it pointless. And I was more curious about other things than the already large life wagon.

What were you curious about, might I ask? (See? This post does actually contain something of relevance. )

Fair point.

I make those every now and again.

Get on a PC.

Done. This post went much smoother.

 

[Midorikawa]

EVERYTHING IS RUINED 5EVAR!!!!!!!

Someone needs to go back to school

I've noticed that, actually.

How could you not notice me? I am SexBomb. All heads turn towards me when I walk.

Blast! Now my ace in the hole is gone!

Mwhahahhahaha

...*sigh* Poor @FinalArcadia the only professional among a bunch of jokers.

That's right. I can't think of any jokes she's made.

You did. A night mare. XD

You and your bad puns.

What were you curious about, might I ask? (See? This post does actually contain something of relevance. )

The whole cop thing. Also I felt I needed to do something because the alert system messed up and it was destroy Life mania when I found out.

I make those every now and again.

Shocking!

Done. This post went much smoother.

Why didn't you do that in the first place?

 

[Maniacal Engineer]

Also, can someone update the OP?

@Jsach @leetic
I can step in and edit the OP, but I'd prefer for it to be one of you.

 

[Pikochu]

Elementar sheeped and seemed overeager to lynch given how far away the deadline was - I'd like to hear his thoughts more. Having said that, I do think he's the most likely to flip scum of the people who've posted enough for me to read.

Really? What about people like HD, ME and Slife who were the ones that we lynch for information in D1? Why not call out Mido also? It sounds like to me you're setting up a reason to backtrack. It seems like you were very suspicious of him but didn't want to vote in the event you're accused of bandwagoning.

Flop's isn't that bad since the timing showed that she didn't want to add on more without more reasoning, which makes sense since in a small game, three votes are a lot. And he didn't reply other than an appeal to emotion for the rest of the phase. The slife comment is strange but he was a shortlived bandwagon so it's not as strange as some other stuff.

While the timing isn't bad, the posts comes off very scummy. Flop provided reasons why Elementar is "most likely scummy" in the post and yet didn't vote.

Vote: Life
Since he's definitely Mafia.

That sounds like a bus.

Vote: Flop[/b[

 

[Pikochu]

Bah, I need to stop manually ending tags. Oh well.

 

[Doctor Floptopus]

So, I knew life was Mafia because Zexy told me. I was a member of a chat with ME and HD at the time, they can

 

[Doctor Floptopus]

Oops, hit reply by accident.
They can attest to this. I also attempted to shoot TheCapsFan (now Pikochu), which failed. I don't know why.
But as one of Zexy's townreads, someone who knew he was cop, why would scum!me kill him when he wasn't an immediate threat to me? And why would I fakeclaim vig, a lie that would be easily exposed when my target didn't die? At the very least, I'd send the scumkill onto cappy.
I haven't read through the thread properly yet, I'll get back to you with some reads once I have.

 

[Doctor Floptopus]

So, some things:
1. Only myself and ME were privy to the fact that Zexy was the cop. As far as the thread was concerned, ME was the cop.
2. My role failed. Unless @Pikochu is a BP, Mafia must have blocked me. Thus, they could not have had a rolecop unless there's 3 of them.
3. Only Zexy and ME knew I was intending to shoot caps. This, the only person who would've blocked me (there were far better targets) is ME.
Thus, Vote: Maniacal Engineer.
His reads haven't seemed genuine and he was the only person other than myself (and I'm town) who could've known Zexy was the cop.

 

[Sunsette]

VOTE: Doctor Floptopus

Because Two Is Better Than One

And now that song is going to be stuck in my head, thanks Mido.

I also attempted to shoot TheCapsFan (now Pikochu), which failed. I don't know why.

I find this odd, mainly because we already had a vigilante role that was killed. Granted, nobody involved seemed to know how TFPTSLBOOIA worked, but why include two vig roles in a game this size?

 

[Doctor Floptopus]

I find this odd, mainly because we already had a vigilante role that was killed. Granted, nobody involved seemed to know how TFPTSLBOOIA worked, but why include two vig roles in a game this size?

Why fakeclaim a 2nd vig in a game this size with a TFPTSLBOOIA that I could never prove?
There are 3 situations with me and my claim:
1) I am a Mafia vig and was blocked by a town Roleblocker. This is insanely unlikely, as Mafia vigs are a virtual nonentity.
2) I am Mafia and lying. This is unlikely for reasons I have stated before.
3) I am a town vig and was blocked. This is the truth.

 

[Sunsette]

Why fakeclaim a 2nd vig in a game this size with a TFPTSLBOOIA that I could never prove?
There are 3 situations with me and my claim:
1) I am a Mafia vig and was blocked by a town Roleblocker. This is insanely unlikely, as Mafia vigs are a virtual nonentity.
2) I am Mafia and lying. This is unlikely for reasons I have stated before.
3) I am a town vig and was blocked. This is the truth.

That's why I said I find it odd instead of just voting you. It's a really weird fakeclaim to make at this point as scum, which is why I'm less inclined to write it off, along with the case you're making against ME. I admit that I was also surprised by his calling for a mass claim, but it didn't seem as weird at the time since we were assuming there would be only one more scum. I think there still could be only one more, assuming Godfather might have an additional ability, but rolecop seems more likely.

 

[Midorikawa]

A town vig with a pumpkin, doc, and other roles that are in this game is too strange. Town is looking too OP, and I find ME more genuine than Flop.

 

[Sunsette]

I'm not sure which way to go here. Logically, I've found Flop more suspect than ME for most of the game but the paranoid part of me can't help but wonder if ME's been playing us. How much time is left in the phase?

 

[Slife]

Vote: Doctor Floptopus

That scummy behavior last phase makes sense now in light of Zexy and Life's flips. A vig claim that failed sounds a bit strange because for now it can't be proven or disproven, but could easily be used to justify a townie death later on.

 

[Doctor Floptopus]

Vote: Doctor Floptopus

That scummy behavior last phase makes sense now in light of Zexy and Life's flips. A vig claim that failed sounds a bit strange because for now it can't be proven or disproven, but could easily be used to justify a townie death later on.

But how would I kill said townie on to of the NK?

 

[Doctor Floptopus]

Here, I've made a case:

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All posts before this are jokes or non game-related discussion.

HD, you'd know Life's playstyle better than I would, most likely, given that I've only played a few games with Life and was killed quickly in at least one of them and another was non-Mafia.

Just how eyebrow raising/concerning is it that Life didn't comment? You said "freakishly uncharacteristic."

This is an odd post. ME seems to be trying to judge whether or not to defend Life.

If I had to go on, mostly, but instincts, my top two lynch candidates right now are Sunsette and Slife.

Something just feels off about this post. Granted, I've never played with Sunsette before and this is entirely a gut read, but other people had posted aside from HD and myself before this post, yet Sunsette decided to focus on the two of us. HD is a fantastic player, and I'm halfway decent most of the time.
*shrug* feels sort of like a subtle way to imply that HD and I should take each other out. I'm probably reading way too much into this, but the whole mentality of "lurk and watch two active players take each other out" seems scummy.
As I said, gut read.

...yeah, gonna echo what the last several posters have said here. I've learned my lesson about no lynches and how they are only beneficial to mafia. If you're town, you need all the information you can get. On D1, there isn't much to work with, I'll grant you that, but that's all the more reason to do something to gain information.
The good news is, at least with this post, it seems like we actually do have a viable lynch candidate, so, I will Vote: Slife, who is the most viable candidate ATM.

!. Overreacts to a joke.
2. Policy votes. I've never seen ME support a policy lynch before. Ever. This is odd.

Unvote: Slife

With both HD and Life sticking up for him, as well as his response to the votes against him, Slife looks a lot less scummy.

I'm not entirely sure what to do at this point, but I just woke up, so I'm not exactly at my best...

I find the bolded part really odd. Life was scum and probably just angling for towncred, and HD simply said he thought slife was "probably concerned town", which really isn't a hard defense - sheeping reads. He also never mentions which parts of said responses makes him feel better.

Doc's been dedded! Clearly u r all scum out to get ME!
In all seriousness, that was bad.
Still, if you ask me, that was a very solid lynch. Not because I like the results, but because of the thought processes that went into it. I'll go back and doublecheck the posts wherein people voted for Elementar, but to the best of my recollection, everybody who voted for him had solid reasoning and sound logic.
In spite of the outcome, I'd still say that everybody on the bandwagon looks more townie than before. Nobody had any way of knowing what Elementar's flip was going to be except Elementar. This isn't an automatic clear for people who were on the bandwagon, but it does help form some good preliminary reads.
Bottom line, let's take the information that we got from this lynch, pick ourselves up, and move forward. Let this not be a wasted lynch.

This is just saying what we already know, that we can get info from a lynch.

HD's reason for voting for Elementar was bandwagoing for vague reasons.

Mido's reasons for voting for Elementar were both the bandwagon vote itself and Elementar's defensiveness over being voted for, as well as the uncertain nature of Elementar's vote.

Zexy's reasons for voting for Elementar were that he felt that Elementar's responses to HD's vote were scummy and buying for time, and that he felt like Elementar's responses to being called out and voted for were uncertain, and didn't contribute anything of value.

At the end of the day, I can't fault any of the above for their logic. Their reasons for voting for Elementar were solid and each built off of substantial in-thread evidence.
Would that the result matched the logic, but, alas, there's always the human factor, which is illogical and irrational.

I'm a little more interested in those who thought Elementar was scummy, but didn't vote.

These posts, for instance:

Life brings in a couple of good points regarding Elementar's vote and his subsequent posts, agrees with HD, and even says that he's tempted to join the wagon, but he doesn't.
This could imply that he knew that Elementar would flip Town, which would mean that he's scum, or it could be as simple as he says, that he was waiting for Elementar to defend himself before deciding to vote.
This was before Mido and Zexy voted for Elementar, and when the bigger bandwagon was still on Slife.
Interesting to note when...

Slife repeats the argument that Elementar's vote was too vague and bandwagony, and says that Elementar seems desperate to cause a lynch. He seems to classify it under the category of "too scummy to be scum," if I am interpreting his post correctly.

This post from Flop is interesting. At the time she posted it, said "Slife wagon" was one vote, Elementar. At the end of the phase, I had as many votes on me as Slife did, since Caps's joke vote was never removed. Additionally, by that point, Mido and Zexy had voted for Elementar. Calling a single vote a bandwagon, while someone else had three votes? A little odd, but not innately scummy.
She then makes a case against Elementar, concluding that "he's the most likely to flip scum of the people who've posted enough for me to read."
In spite of this, no vote on Elementar.

I'm not entirely sure what to make of all of this, but I figured this is all worth compiling and looking at. I'm interested in hearing other's thoughts on the lynch wagon.

A long post, with no real contribution other than: "I think the people on the elementar wagon are town because they have good reasoning, but I can also see the reasoning of most of the people who refrained from voting." Also, note that in the end he made no vote or even any reads, despite being oh-so-opposed to a d1 no lynch.

Yes, Slife. Taunt the town for lynching the doc on D1. I stand by my previous statement that it was a solid lynch with good reasoning.

Interesting. I'll have to go back and look at MCH's "nebulous" reads. Considering the fact that you are one of them, and Life, who is under a lot of suspicion and scrutiny right now, is the other, perhaps they are more credible than you're making them appear. I don't remember his reads, though, so I'll get back to you on this.

*shrug* That's most likely true, which doesn't give us a lot to work with, TBH. HD is decidedly a power player and is absolutely devastating at tearing apart scumteams. He was also looking very towny by the end of D1. Pretty much anybody would want him out of the way early on, and, with the doc gone, who could resist?

It is possible that HD was in contact with someone outside the thread and had formed a plan of some sorts.
In any case, given HD's opinions on him, and the fact that Life seems to be scrambling under Zexy's scrutiny, I think it prudent to:
Vote: Life
at this time. I found him suspicious for not wanting to take a clear stance on the Elementar lynch, despite giving good, solid reasons for why Elementar's actions were scummy, and his most recent posts and slip ups aren't helping him any.

Also, I have heard from no cop at this time.

The bolded part is odd, as he never described Life's lack of vote as suspicious, only "interesting". He lies about hearing from the cop, but I can't fault him on this since it's not a scummy move.

Okay, as promised I went back and checked MCH's posts for his "nebulous" reads on Slife and Life.
I looked back and found all of MCH's posts.
This is what I found:

This is the only post I can find wherein he even mentions Slife. I wouldn't call this a read, nebulous or otherwise, TBH. He's literally just stating that "this can either be a good lynch or a bad lynch." Not taking any stance whatsoever, just literally mentioning the only two possible outcomes. I'm surprised that Slife even bothered to bring attention to this...

This is definitely more of read on Life, albeit an uncertain one, but it's definitely a read.

MCH is a confirmed town, albeit dead, so the posts were genuine. If another confirmed Townie was suspicious of Life, that only bolsters my vote.

The thing is, although MCH's posts are genuine, he wasn't killed for them - he was killed by the RNG. Personally, I wouldn't put too much stock in the words of a townie not killed by Mafia, as last time I did that it was detrimental to the town.

Your attention please. When I said earlier that I had not been contacted by the cop, I was absolutely serious. Then again, it would have been a little odd for me to contact myself, eh?

Yes, you're hearing me correctly. I am the Cop. I used my check last night on Life, because I felt like he was the most suspicious. I confided in a couple of other players, whom I was reading as Town, and told them to push Life without revealing my check, so that we could test everyone's natural reactions to a Life vote.

Thanks to this, I am very close to cracking the game, but I'm still missing a few vital pieces.
As such, I am calling for a mass claim. Help me solve the last bits of this puzzle so that we can find the scum remaining amongst us.

To that last remaining scum, I ask you: feeling lucky, punk?

This was initially Engie's idea. I was expecting it, as I had seen it beforehand. However, if anyone claimed to him, he didn't share it with the real cop to my knowledge. This may well have been an excuse to go claim fishing.

...yeah, either mafia had a Role Cop, or they picked up on Zexy's numerous Cop puns. Either way, I was indeed meatshielding at Zexy's request.

Based on the information I have acquired, there are two likely suspects.
1. CapsFan - He's still a complete enigma, and I hate to target him because he's trying to sub out.
2. Flop - Flop made a claim, and was supposed to have proven her claim and taken care of the Caps enigma at the same time, but she didn't.
Her role is unproven. Additionally, she was one of the two people, three is you count HD, that Zexy directly claimed to.

For now, until I hear Flop's explanation, I am going to Vote: Doctor Floptopus.

Engie was around when I gave my explanation. Why didn't he respond?

Bit of a long post, but I'm ISOing Flop, and throwing in a couple of other interesting tidbits along the way.

First post of the game, as per many people, it's a joke. CWAC, but we're all guilty of that.

This is interesting. Note how Zexy's initial reason for trusting Flop was that she confirmed HD's comments about role PM formatting. Note how, after Flop's post, I point out that said formatting could be for everybody's role PM. At this time, let's take a look at the only confirmed sighting of a scum PM we've had so far:

Well. I'll be damned. It looks just like Flop said, role, then end. No alignment, no wincon. Formatted exactly the same as the Town role PMs that we've seen.

CWAC, but, again, this was during D1, where a lot of CWAC was going on...

This is interesting. The person she's answering is Life. A simple game related question, and Flop answers it. This could be an attempt to show some interaction between scumbuddies without actually having an interaction.

Explaining why No Lynching isn't smart. It's interesting to note that, until this point, Flop's game related comments have been logistical or setup (role PM formatting, American game shows vs. British game shows, and speculating on how many mislynches town can afford.

I quoted this post before and I had felt it somewhat scummy even then. Flop refers to a Slife wagon, when there was no Slife wagon, and doesn't put another vote on Elementar, despite saying that, out of everybody she's been able to read, he is "the most likely to flip scum." Strong language, but not voting means that she doesn't take an official stance one way or the other.

Her explanation for why she never placed a vote. Life said something similar. Personally, I just think that neither of them wanted anything to do with this lynch, because they knew what the outcome would be. (Not that Elementar was the doctor, by any means, but that Elementar was Town.)

Zexy's reasoning for trusting Flop is still unchanged and based on that one post, right at the very beginning of the game, that confirms that her role PM is formatted role, then end. As I pointed out above, scum PMs were exactly the same formatting.

Beginning of D2. Zexy has voted for Life at this point. Assuming that scum had either a) rolecopped Zexy N1, or b) caught on to Zexy's ridiculous cop puns, a vote on Life from Zexy would not be viewed as coincidental. Note his two reasons for voting Flop.
1. Life did the exact same thing.
2. What's another good way of distancing yourself from your scumbuddies? Voting for them.
This was the second reason that Zexy trusted Flop, and he added her to our conversation after this post from Life. I, on the other hand, think that Life's vote on Flop could have been a clever distancing tactic that, whether or not Life survived, would put Flop in a better position.

Flop, having been included in my private chat with Zexy, knew at this point that there was a definitive cop scan against Life. Her vote here is not genuine, because she knows that if she doesn't vote for Life, she'll immediately become suspicious. Interestingly enough, as Slife points out below, her reasoning for voting for Life is rather...lacking. It seems like she's voting for Life, but trying to sweep as much information under the rug as she can.
Granted, we'd decided not to mention the cop check on Life to be able to see people's genuine reactions to a Life lynch, so she wouldn't have just come out and say it, but she literally put in nothing except for "Since he's definitely Mafia."

Slife's vote on Flop feels genuine. His reasons are valid, and, as he mentions, Flop's habits of hoping on wagons last minute is consistent with her scum meta. Additionally, by giving no rationale for voting Life, Flop isn't helping town.
Even her one vote is CWAC.
*gasp* *pant*
Anyway, combine all that with the fact that she made a role claim that she has yet to prove, despite Zexy telling her how to prove her claim, and I find Flop to be very scummy.

1. Accusing me of not contributing, something he was also guilty of.
2. Says it's odd that I mentioned a "slife wagon". I don't, seeing as there was a wagon. Yes, it'd died down, but that doesn't mean I can't state my thoughts on it.
3. accuses me of trying to distance myself from a lynch. Why would I follow the exact same path as my partner? Surely it's better to distance? Besides, when has scum!me ever been afraid of being on a mislynch wagon?
4. accuses me of voting for Life on poor reasoning. This was because I was busy and utterly exhausted from a long drive that had got me home at midnight the previous day. I'd heard from Zexy about his cop check, and wanted to vote scum. I had neither the time nor the energy to post more than that.

Agreed. I think Zexy got duped, which is unfortunate.

Very true. Of the people on Life's bandwagon, it is entirely possible that one is scum, seems probable, in fact. Flop was the last one aboard, and had no choice considering that she knew of the cop check.
Zexy is cleared.
Sunsette voted second, without knowing about a cop check, which looks good.
ME was trusted by Zexy, attempted to act as Zexy's meatshield, and found Life to be scummy before Zexy claimed to me. Voted for Life knowing about the cop check, but giving valid reasons and rationale.
Flop was trusted by Zexy, though his reasoning seemed faulty. Barely interacted with Life before voting. Voted for Life with no reasoning that was useful to Town.

She knew about the cop check, so even if it was a slip, it's explainable. I still don't like that she gave no other reasoning for voting for Life. As I said above, even her one vote was CWAC.

If ME thought I had "duped" zexy, why didn't he approach Zexy with those concerns? He claims he found Life to be scummy before he heard of the cop check, but I see no evidence of this.
Also, he has yet to post a reads list. The only reads he has are the arguments for voting someone. He's never said he sees anyone as town, and he claims to have been suspicious of his votees before voting them, despite not saying so.

My vote stands.