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Preview Pocket Monsters Sun & Moon

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I can already see the fics trying to tie the two together, and looking like all the Gen 5/6 fics that tried that..
 
Maybe SM would finally break the bad region series streak we have gotten so far. Both Unova and Kalos were awful. Pray that we don't get a third awful region series in a row.
 
Tsu said:
Doesn't sound like much of an opinion when one phrases it like it is a fact.

For example, providing actual arguments as for why you feel that is the case would have helped.
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What kind of "phrasing" does it need for a sentence to sound like opinion or like fact? Is the wording of "my belief" is not enough?
Listen, whether you perceive my words as opinion or fact, that is your opinion, not fact. I don't want to argue about semantics and be punctilious about wordings and sentence structure with you, I'm absolutely not in the mood for ridiculous nit-picking. But shall you want a "discussion" about this, I'll be all for it.

I don't want to spoil the SM Game story here, because the game is not yet on sale. Go read about the datamined SM Game story thread, then you shall see the story revolve about UBs is absolutely inappropriate to the overall lighthearted atmosphere of SM Anime, therefore it is just extremely unlikely they'll adapt any major storyline from there.

Though it is as mentioned by VTP-Dawkins93, it is not like the anime was any good game-story adaption since day one. Whenever the anime tried to adapt the in-game villains plot, they always failed it hardly (Except TF, where the anime had IMO marginally better interpretation, but it actually depends rather on how you look at it). Especially the more serious and sophisticated the in-game story was, the worse the anime adaption it was.

Shall SM Anime really wanted to forcibly adapt UB into its plot, I will guess UB shall just become some laugh-inducing material instead of some serious plot element, or the seriousness being massively reduced such that you will think it might be better of not adapting it at all. In any case, shall SM Anime adapt the UB storyline, I'll bet with all my savings that it will fail miserably at the end.
 
Well, I did admit that the quality of the adaptation varied a lot throughout the show. My point was more that poor quality or not they still find a way to include these plots into the show. I don't think Sun and Moon's lighthearted tone would be a reason to leave it alone this time either because they've demonstrated in the past they're quite prepared to shift the tone if need be (the big arcs in Best Wishes were notably more serious than the rest of the show; the finale of the Galactic plot likewise; XY to XYZ in general; and so on). And plenty of shows start off fun and happy but get gradually more serious as the plot kicks into gear.

I don't even know what the UB plot is (and don't wanna know until I've played the games) but if it's suitable enough for the games then chances are it'll be suitable for the anime as well, albeit with some creative changes.
 
クリスタル said:
Shall SM Anime really wanted to forcibly adapt UB into its plot, I will guess UB shall just become some laugh-inducing material instead of some serious plot element, or the seriousness being massively reduced such that you will think it might be better of not adapting it at all. In any case, shall SM Anime adapt the UB storyline, I'll bet with all my savings that it will fail miserably at the end.
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Please don't tell that you have fallen for the 'hey we're now a comedy show!!!' marketing trick?

Much like the whole 'this anime is now a slice-of-life set in school' thing was a complete misdirection (as evident by the latest summaries confirming Ash won't be stuck in school for three years and will indeed take on the Island Trials), this whole comedy angle is again, a complete misdirection. The show has always had its comedy moments, and it has ALWAYS been lighthearted at its core, and it will always have its lighthearted moments, but as the many new previews and the poster confirm, the serious part is still present and will not just magically vanish.

Lastly, even if it begins as a comedy series (which is highly unlikely), that doesn't mean the show won't experience a gradual shift in tone as things get more serious.
 
Playerking said:
True, but since it looks like a Powder-esque move and Rowlet seems to become sleepy. Unless Rowlet is actually becoming confused, but I don't know what move which looks like that can make a Pokemon confused.
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It looks more like a love move to me...
 
Tsu said:
Please don't tell that you have fallen for the 'hey we're now a comedy show!!!' marketing trick?

Much like the whole 'this anime is now a slice-of-life set in school' thing was a complete misdirection (as evident by the latest summaries confirming Ash won't be stuck in school for three years and will indeed take on the Island Trials), this whole comedy angle is again, a complete misdirection. The show has always had its comedy moments, and it has ALWAYS been lighthearted at its core, and it will always have its lighthearted moments, but as the many new previews and the poster confirm, the serious part is still present and will not just magically vanish.

Lastly, even if it begins as a comedy series (which is highly unlikely), that doesn't mean the show won't experience a gradual shift in tone as things get more serious.
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When did I ever said I expected Ash will stuck in classroom for 3 years? It is just impossible for the anime to do so, especially if the creator considering this show as a form of business. After several months it must do some major plot change, or with a better word story progression, or else it will just bored the audience and lead to further massive decrease in view rate. So major advancement in story plot (and possibly a slight -- but not massive -- shift in overall tone and atmosphere) is expectable. In fact, it is just the nature of any form of fictional story regardless of genre, long or short, anime or movies or manga or game or TV drama. Except slice-of-life sitcoms and open-story dramas where plot relies on random situations but not build-up from any previous progression, changes are just inevitable.

HOWEVER!!! Whether that change is accepted by its fanbase or not is another complete different question.

Take BW for example. It started off with quite a serious tone where the plot for the first several months was about some major TR operation was under performance, with Ash being an incompetent trainer like a newbie started off his journey not long, trying to "rebuild" the vibe of GenI story. This change was causing the backslash at the beginning of BW, especially for the ones that had watched DP. The staffs then quickly changes back to the comedic route by ending TR operation ASAP, TRio back to be comic relief fodders more goofy than ever trying to make every weekly episodes laughable. But that change is also causing a heavy backslash, especially for the ones that got used to the serious tone is not favoring such a sudden shift to lighthearted comedic tone, the change was too sudden it doesn't felt logical.
Now, I see the situational deja-vu in SM, but just seriousness and lightheartedness being the opposite. If it doesn't receive any backslash from audience that had adapted themselves to the comedic lightheartedness of SM after watching for months, then congratulation. But generically speaking tone shifts during mid-season which is a sign of inconsistency is always the source of backslash, that's why I don't expect it will be well-received.

And also, this has basically completely nothing to do with will SM change to become more serious or not mid-season, but I just don't think they'll do any justice to the UB plot adaption. I expected SM will do finely in the plot of Island Trials and possibly Battle Tree, but just not UB nor the "dark side" of Aether Foundation.
You just said this yourself, Pokemon Anime will forever stay to be LIGHTHEARTED in its core, even for XY(&Z) saga, there are many moments to laugh about (Though IMO, XY(&Z) saga was more being serious in its core, lighthearted on the surface. I guess that's why TF arc works finely despite the laughable moments presented throughout the saga). That's why I don't think they will faithfully adapt the UB story plot. If by any chance they do adapt it, I kind of expect it will be a deteriorated adaption like Team Plasma, where it just become a source of backslash.
 
I have to agree with Crystal that a satisfying adaptation of Lillie and Lusamine's story seems unlikely. For one thing, Cosmog is nowhere to be seen so far.
 
Lillie is like a whole new person in the anime. I can't imagine her story being given justice.
 
Lion-Cub said:
Without Cosmog anywhere in sight, I think its likely we're going to have a very different story for Lillie this time, unless Cosmog comes in later.
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Who knows, maybe she does receive Cosmog at a later point in the series, but that's just me and we'll have to wait and see what the writers decide on
Gengarzilla said:
I, for one, love the initial goofy direction that this series seems to be taking. I may have enjoyed DP's serious approach but a way to wind down after that high octane Flare arc would be great.
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It was awkward at first with the initial poster and trailer, but it's enjoyable after a while, let's see what we will see in 4 days time, luckily I don't have to work that day
 
we can't tell what the writer gonna give to us. i've been following this anime since AG, and guess what? look at BW and XY, there's no sign of team plasma and flare adaptation into anime, except in BW, plasma got an unaired episode before, and some of their role replaced by team rocket, just like they do in XY, but in SM we already got introduced of Team Skull earlier, just like AG, so we can't conclude yet, that their gonna adapt the plot or not.
 
ii kanji said:
It looks more like a love move to me...
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Yeah, it could be. I guess they could have done away with the love heart eyes when a Pokemon becomes attracted to another Pokemon. So I guess it could be attract, or some sort of sleep inducing move.
 
クリスタル said:
When did I ever said I expected Ash will stuck in classroom for 3 years?
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I never said you did. The point is that the anime started advertising Sun and Moon anime as a 'school life' series, which is completely bogus since the new information coming in confirms it still very much an adventure series that will feature the Island Trials.

クリスタル said:
It is just impossible for the anime to do so, especially if the creator considering this show as a form of business. After several months it must do some major plot change, or with a better word story progression, or else it will just bored the audience and lead to further massive decrease in view rate. So major advancement in story plot (and possibly a slight -- but not massive -- shift in overall tone and atmosphere) is expectable..
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Perhaps, but if they wanted a major plot change, they could have easily gone the other route and had Ash actually win a League or introduced his father. Since the writers are too afraid (or simply unwilling) to undergo such drastic changes, the anime suddenly undergoing a change in the format (which is arguably even greater of a change than Ash winning the League) is out of the question. That is why this anime is likely never going to go too far off from its roots.

クリスタル said:
Take BW for example. It started off with quite a serious tone where the plot for the first several months was about some major TR operation was under performance, with Ash being an incompetent trainer like a newbie started off his journey not long, trying to "rebuild" the vibe of GenI story. This change was causing the backslash at the beginning of BW, especially for the ones that had watched DP. The staffs then quickly changes back to the comedic route by ending TR operation ASAP, TRio back to be comic relief fodders more goofy than ever trying to make every weekly episodes laughable. But that change is also causing a heavy backslash, especially for the ones that got used to the serious tone is not favoring such a sudden shift to lighthearted comedic tone, the change was too sudden it doesn't felt logical..
Now, I see the situational deja-vu in SM, but just seriousness and lightheartedness being the opposite. If it doesn't receive any backslash from audience that had adapted themselves to the comedic lightheartedness of SM after watching for months, then congratulation. But generically speaking tone shifts during mid-season which is a sign of inconsistency is always the source of backslash, that's why I don't expect it will be well-received.
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That wouldn't present a problem for SM though. Going from serious to funny just isn't quite the same as going from funny to serious. The latter would obviously be better received by the audience seeing how desperately they desire more serious, darker plots in Pokemon anime.

クリスタル said:
And also, this has basically completely nothing to do with will SM change to become more serious or not mid-season, but I just don't think they'll do any justice to the UB plot adaption. I expected SM will do finely in the plot of Island Trials and possibly Battle Tree, but just not UB nor the "dark side" of Aether Foundation.
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Okay, let's talk about that darker side under spoil tags.

Aether Foundation's darker side is that they experiment on Pokemon, is that correct? That is no different from millions of other plots in this anime that have already featured Pokemon experimentation. Pokemon frozen alive? Not that different from Pokemon being literally turned into stone by Hunter J in DP. Whatever bad stuff the Aether Foundation has done, the anime has already showcased worse. And just as XY&Z anime showcased, they writing staff is capable of decent adaptation, so who's to say they won't do well on this storyline as well?

クリスタル said:
If by any chance they do adapt it, I kind of expect it will be a deteriorated adaption like Team Plasma, where it just become a source of backslash.
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The deteriorated adaption of the Plasma plot is due to an incredible number of different factors, primarily the fact that there was no original Team Plasma in the anime (due to the earthquake causing their debut to be indefinitely postponed) to begin with. As such, the writing staff was forced to adapt the story of the sequels however WITHOUT using the original Team Plasma (and a large chunk of the story in the games revolved around remnants of the old Team Plasma coming into conflict with the newly reformed, evil Team Plasma).

Also, the story of B2/W2 wasn't even THAT good. Ghetsis was transformed into a typical, evil villain who wants to conquer the world (whereas in B/W he was at least pretending to be a good guy which made for a neat revelation of his true intentions) so the anime was left with a silly bad guy.

Silktree said:
I have to agree with Crystal that a satisfying adaptation of Lillie and Lusamine's story seems unlikely. For one thing, Cosmog is nowhere to be seen so far.
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The entire plot of SM anime so far seems to place prior to the actual events of the games. It wouldn't be surprising if Lillie got Cosmog later down the road. The Trial Captains are still in school as well rather than being on their trial sites.
 
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I am all for it if the writers decide to adapt the SM story.
Ash will just play the part that the PLAYER plays. The series can get a bit more serious, as shown by B/W'S Episode N.
However, if people think the Team Flare Climax is intense, I think the SM Main story arc will be of another order altogether...... unsettling in an emotional way.
The Team Flare Arc to me was just generic noble man getting dissatisfied with the world. The action was superb but Lysandre's motivations seemed paltry. The Aether Foundation is a bit more dark than just "YOOHOO.. WE'RE EVIL AND WE KNOW IT!"
Pokemon Sun/Moon will be many's first Pokemon game, so they will all be excited to have Ash's journey mirror their own.
 
Having read the game story
1. It was reinforced to me that game-verse makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
2. Some aspects of the Skull/Aether story can be translated but a significant amount of it will be lost in translation simply because of media variation and the fact that game-verse's timeline(s) is so fcked up. I will be interested to see what they do with the relationship between Lillie, Gladio and Lusamine...
I'm excited by the fact that
Lila/Anabel could appear!
 
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