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What Pokemon do you think that the Writers Liked and Disliked?

Ghost Diplocaulus said:
Of that list I think Torterra is the only one that we can actually decisively say was outright made worse than its own pre-evolution. Ash's Noibat literally never battled while in that stage (the closest he ever got to battling as a Noibat was dealing some minor chip damage to a Flare Admin's Drapion), so it's a huge stretch to say that it was outright worse as a Noivern. Meanwhile, Kingler only battled once as a Krabby, so of course it's gonna get more losses in its Kingler stage, since that one's the one that got to see more action, also keep in mind that the vast majority of Kingler's wins were achieved as a Kingler, so no, I don't agree with the notion that Krabby was made to look better.

Torterra, on the other branch, got its absolute worst battle performances during that stage. Even as a Grotle it already had numerous losses, but at least it still got one win against Candice's Sneasel. So yeah, not only was Torterra made to look far worse than its pre-evolutions, but it was straight up a downward slope: fantastic as a Turtwig, weak but still with a few accomplishments as a Grotle, a complete jobber as a Torterra...
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This is especially annoying since Ash never even learned HOW to use Torterra properly and Paul never used his in the league. So basically no good Torterra representation.
 
Rainbow-Rain said:
Pokemon I think the Writers liked:

Imo I think the ones that appear in the Anime very often are definitely Writers faves

-Obvious Shillmon (Pikachu, Charizard, Greninja, Gengar, Incineroar, Lucario, Piplup, Eevee, Cinderace, etc are all explanatory)

-Sceptile (Ash's Gen 3 Ace)

-Krookodile (One of Ash's rare non-Starter Aces)

-Lycanroc (Another one of Ash's rare non-Starter Aces)

-Psyduck (Practically Misty's mascot mon)

-Togepi (Misty's other mascot mon)
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If you think that the writers liked Ash's formerly owned Greninja, his Sceptile, and Misty's Togetic as a Togepi, do you think they will written them back into the Pokémon anime? Why?
 
thomaswiencek said:
If you think that the writers liked Ash's formerly owned Greninja, his Sceptile, and Misty's Togetic as a Togepi, do you think they will written them back into the Pokémon anime? Why?
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I don't think Togetic will ever return

But I think Greninja has like a 90% guarantee of returning given it's massive popularity

Sceptile could go either way.
 
In general, the writers only care for Pikachu and Meowth. Everyone else is disposable.

I'll try to make things a bit simple, as I have quite a long list. Misty's Psyduck was thought to have evolved, but alas, the Golduck was wild. May almost caught a Swablu, but the writers brought his flock back to prevent him from joining her team. They made Piplup wuss out on evolution because the evolutions were "ugly". They wasted great promotion potential by not having Virgil's Eevee evolve into Sylveon. Goodra got released too quickly. Shaymin did nothing. They didn't allow even one of Goh's Wurmple evolve into Silcoon. Half of Goh's team are just background scenery.

And that's just some of the less notable cases of the writers showing no care to certain Pokémon.
 
Rainbow-Rain said:
At least Torterra never lost a battle to it's own Base Stage

Decidueye is the 3RD stage of it's line while Rowlet is the 1st

I could believe Dartrix taking out Decidueye.

But Rowlet? That'd be like Pichu taking out Raichu lol
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Okay, this is probably going to be an extremely unpopular opinion, but... I actually don't have a problem with the idea (emphasis on "idea", let me make that clear) of a Rowlet defeating a Decidueye, and in fact I think that out of all the Starter Pokemon that we have so far, Rowlet is literally the only one that could believably pull off a win against its own final stage.

The reason for this is because Decidueye loses its Flying-type to become Grass/Ghost, meaning that Rowlet is the one with the type advantage in the fight, so conceptually a Rowlet defeating a Decidueye is no different from, say, a Totodile defeating a Charizard (which, by the way, actually did happen at one point, and was imo a well-written example of how a basic stage Starter can beat a third stage one).

Granted, I still really disliked Ash's Rowlet winning against Hau's Decidueye, but that's due to the way the battle itself was written: if it wasn't for the whole contrived sleep fakeout, I don't think I would have any problem with it at all.
 
UxieLover1994 said:
In general, the writers only care for Pikachu and Meowth. Everyone else is disposable.

I'll try to make things a bit simple, as I have quite a long list. Misty's Psyduck was thought to have evolved, but alas, the Golduck was wild. May almost caught a Swablu, but the writers brought his flock back to prevent him from joining her team. They made Piplup wuss out on evolution because the evolutions were "ugly". They wasted great promotion potential by not having Virgil's Eevee evolve into Sylveon. Goodra got released too quickly. Shaymin did nothing. They didn't allow even one of Goh's Wurmple evolve into Silcoon. Half of Goh's team are just background scenery.

And that's just some of the less notable cases of the writers showing no care to certain Pokémon.
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Actually, I think the no Silcoon thing is a reference to how Wurmple would rarely evolve into Silcoon in Gen 3 games. Wurmple's evolution was based on nature and only these 5 of 25 natures would have it evolve into Silcoon: Hardy, Lonely, Brave, Adamant and Naughty.
 
nickdt said:
Yeah, but i feel like that doesn't count cuz main character Pokemon, so was mandatory to show up in the past anyways.
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By this same argument Pikachu, Meowth, Wobbuffet, the Starters, or any of the miscellaneous mascots (Riolu/Lucario, Eevee line, etc.) can't count as being "loved" either, since the writers have an obligation to give them spotlight due to marketing or protagonist privileges rather than any personal feelings, making their spotlight mandatory as well.
 
Ghost Diplocaulus said:
By this same argument Pikachu, Meowth, Wobbuffet, the Starters, or any of the miscellaneous mascots (Riolu/Lucario, Eevee line, etc.) can't count as being "loved" either, since the writers have an obligation to give them spotlight due to marketing or protagonist privileges rather than any personal feelings, making their spotlight mandatory as well.
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Exactly.
 
Ghost Diplocaulus said:
I'd argue that the writers had something against literally every Regional Bird that Ash owned that wasn't Swellow, Staraptor, or Talonflame.
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I've thought about this too and I think, in my own headcanon so to speak, is that the writers didn't know how to animate bird-like Pokémon as battle combatants. When the "most" they can do is slap things with their wings, peck at things, and maybe whip up a gust, the other elemental choices seem more lucrative visually. They also probably figured Starters > birds for screentime, relegating them to aerial support largely. However, Johto onwards began to see them shake up that status quo; Noctowl got to star in a Gym battle and participate in the initial fight with Clair, compared to what Pidgeotto did - it was even Shiny too. Then they absolutely ran with it with Swellow onwards. Sure Unfezant barely had victories to her name, but she also participated in more than one Gym Battle, starred in one of those battles, participated in the League, and did all of this with Ash's rotating party. So, what I'm arguing I guess is that the writers have come a long way since Pidgeotto's obligatory days of blowing away Smokescreens and primarily popping balloons.
Daren said:
I think pretty much every Starmie we see loses.
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I'm being cheeky, but there was that wild Starmie TR encountered in Kalos that shocked them away with a Thunderbolt. That's a victory to me, haha.
PkmnTrainerV said:
Granted, they have become better with Raichu representation over the ages
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Visquez's Raichu lifting weights with its tail is one of my favorite scenes from the anime.
AnimeJewel246 said:
If I recall, Aegislash was a pretty popular pokemon, but it first appeared as a pokemon for a movie villain, then lost to Ash's Pikachu in a league.
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To be fair, prior to losing to Pikachu (where it put on an impressive display; that's one of my favorite battles), it did defeat Tierno's Ludicolo before losing to his Raichu.
 
Alola said:
I've thought about this too and I think, in my own headcanon so to speak, is that the writers didn't know how to animate bird-like Pokémon as battle combatants. When the "most" they can do is slap things with their wings, peck at things, and maybe whip up a gust, the other elemental choices seem more lucrative visually. They also probably figured Starters > birds for screentime, relegating them to aerial support largely. However, Johto onwards began to see them shake up that status quo; Noctowl got to star in a Gym battle and participate in the initial fight with Clair, compared to what Pidgeotto did - it was even Shiny too. Then they absolutely ran with it with Swellow onwards. Sure Unfezant barely had victories to her name, but she also participated in more than one Gym Battle, starred in one of those battles, participated in the League, and did all of this with Ash's rotating party. So, what I'm arguing I guess is that the writers have come a long way since Pidgeotto's obligatory days of blowing away Smokescreens and primarily popping balloons.
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Honestly, the whole "writers dislike X species" is mostly (I assume) meant non-seriously, and I suspect the birds screentime issue was because the starters were higher priorities (though let's be honest balloon popping is actually pretty important even if it's not glamorous). After all, Heracross didn't exactly get it great in Johto either. Oaked very fast and I don't think they had one Gym battle.
Edit: As much as I like to meme about Swellow he probably would have been left behind if Ash had all the starters again.
 
Alola said:
I've thought about this too and I think, in my own headcanon so to speak, is that the writers didn't know how to animate bird-like Pokémon as battle combatants. When the "most" they can do is slap things with their wings, peck at things, and maybe whip up a gust, the other elemental choices seem more lucrative visually. They also probably figured Starters > birds for screentime, relegating them to aerial support largely. However, Johto onwards began to see them shake up that status quo; Noctowl got to star in a Gym battle and participate in the initial fight with Clair, compared to what Pidgeotto did - it was even Shiny too. Then they absolutely ran with it with Swellow onwards. Sure Unfezant barely had victories to her name, but she also participated in more than one Gym Battle, starred in one of those battles, participated in the League, and did all of this with Ash's rotating party. So, what I'm arguing I guess is that the writers have come a long way since Pidgeotto's obligatory days of blowing away Smokescreens and primarily popping balloons.
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I still feel like they regressed quite a bit with Unfezant, though. I dunno, kinda hard to see her as well treated as Swellow, Staraptor, Talonflame, or even Noctowl when she literally only got to perform well in one battle while in every single other time that didn't involve Team Rocket or other villainous plots she was relegated to being a jobber and on one of those instances the writers even made her lose to a basic stage Fighting-type of all things. I dunno, I still wish the poor bird had gotten at least a few more wins to her name. At bare minimum Tranquill should have been the final Pokemon used in Burgh's Gym instead of Pikachu, who got shilled like crazy during this particular era, and even if he wasn't he's still got all the time in the world to get shining moments unlike the rest of his teammates, so him losing that little bit of spotlight wouldn't have hurt in the slightest.

I admittedly am somewhat biased because I do have a bit of a soft spot for the Pidove line as a species, but still... like, I'm not asking for Unfezant to be Swellow levels of awesome because that'd be way overkill, but even just being a slightly worse Staraptor or Talonflame would have been sufficient.

To be fair, prior to losing to Pikachu (where it put on an impressive display; that's one of my favorite battles), it did defeat Tierno's Ludicolo before losing to his Raichu.
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...You know, in light of this plus all the milage the internet got out of frog ninjas being weak to Blast Burn, I'm kinda surprised that similar jokes weren't made out of Aegislash being weak to electric mice.
 
Ghost Diplocaulus said:
I still feel like they regressed quite a bit with Unfezant, though. I dunno, kinda hard to see her as well treated as Swellow, Staraptor, Talonflame, or even Noctowl when she literally only got to perform well in one battle while in every single other time that didn't involve Team Rocket or other villainous plots she was relegated to being a jobber and on one of those instances the writers even made her lose to a basic stage Fighting-type of all things. I dunno, I still wish the poor bird had gotten at least a few more wins to her name. At bare minimum Tranquill should have been the final Pokemon used in Burgh's Gym instead of Pikachu, who got shilled like crazy during this particular era, and even if he wasn't he's still got all the time in the world to get shining moments unlike the rest of his teammates, so him losing that little bit of spotlight wouldn't have hurt in the slightest.

I admittedly am somewhat biased because I do have a bit of a soft spot for the Pidove line as a species, but still... like, I'm not asking for Unfezant to be Swellow levels of awesome because that'd be way overkill, but even just being a slightly worse Staraptor or Talonflame would have been sufficient.
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Bias or no, your assessment is correct regardless. Also, regarding the Burgh comment, it's even more glaring given she evolved right before the Gym Battle too. You would think Ash, who intentionally used her to curb rampaging Bug-types, would then call on her newfound strengths for the Bug-type Gym. But no - let's use Pikachu against the ace Bug who resists electrical attacks.
 
Ghost Diplocaulus said:
...You know, in light of this plus all the milage the internet got out of frog ninjas being weak to Blast Burn, I'm kinda surprised that similar jokes weren't made out of Aegislash being weak to electric mice.
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The internet sort of just assumes Pikachu gets odd wins (if anything people over-meme him in that regard), while Greninja got a bunch of hype that crashed spectacularly. There's a lot more meme potential there.
It didn't hurt that Greninja's KO pose was just close enough to the Yamcha death pose.
 
Alola said:
Bias or no, your assessment is correct regardless. Also, regarding the Burgh comment, it's even more glaring given she evolved right before the Gym Battle too. You would think Ash, who intentionally used her to curb rampaging Bug-types, would then call on her newfound strengths for the Bug-type Gym. But no - let's use Pikachu against the ace Bug who resists electrical attacks.
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Weirder still is the fact that the Electric Gym comes right after the Bug Gym in Unova, and Pikachu was obviously gonna be the star player of that one, since literally the only times the starring role was given to another Pokemon in an Electric Gym was in Sinnoh and Kalos, and even then Pikachu still got to nab a win both times, so it's not like the yellow mouse was gonna have to wait that long to be at center stage anyway. But whatever, let's not give spotlight to the severely neglected bird and instead Pikachu gets to star in two Gyms in a row.

Daren said:
The internet sort of just assumes Pikachu gets odd wins (if anything people over-meme him in that regard), while Greninja got a bunch of hype that crashed spectacularly. There's a lot more meme potential there.
It didn't hurt that Greninja's KO pose was just close enough to the Yamcha death pose.
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That's a good point, but Aegislash also lost to Tierno's Raichu, so it does kinda make you think if the poor sword just has bad luck against electricity shooting rodents.
 
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