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What tier will they be in?

^ In Gen. IV, yes, it's UU. In Gen. V, however, it's definitely OU. It got Speed Boost and a 130-power Hi Jump Kick (boosted by STAB to 195). Combine that with its already-awesome Attack and Swords Dance, and it's just way too strong for UU now.
 
There are Pokemon that can outspeed even Speed Boost Blaziken, though. D: Gengar with Choice-Specs Psychic says hello.
 
Fairy Red said:
There are Pokemon that can outspeed even Speed Boost Blaziken, though. D: Gengar with Choice-Specs Psychic says hello.
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That would be such a bad set, that's inviting T-tar in to beat the Pursuit the hell out of it,
 
And after one Speed Boost, Blaziken is faster than SpecsGar. You're probably thinking of Scarf. That's what some Blaziken have Protect for. Nothing (except Sand Rush Excadrill and priority) outspeeds it after 2 Speed Boosts.
 
Of course, the mear threat of Sand Rush exadrill is enough for most teams to carry a priority user or hippodon/gliscor (both of who stop blaziken mostly)
 
CRACKADACTYL! said:
That would be such a bad set, that's inviting T-tar in to beat the Pursuit the hell out of it,
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I was talking 1-vs-1, but yeah, I forgot that's not always the case. D8 Thanks for the correction.

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And after one Speed Boost, Blaziken is faster than SpecsGar. You're probably thinking of Scarf. That's what some Blaziken have Protect for. Nothing (except Sand Rush Excadrill and priority) outspeeds it after 2 Speed Boosts.
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Yes, the Scarf is what I meant to say! OTL Augh, I gotta work on my items and what they do. D8;
And, Protect won't work twice in a row, maybe. Plus, even if Blaziken is faster than everything after 2 speed boosts, she still has to set up to do anything with that speed. Unless you pack a Life Orb or something?
 
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What about Mew? I think that it should be U. Its awesome, and it learns every TM/HM.
 
^ No question. It'll be Uber, easy. It's so unpredictable and useful!
 
I think that Mew will eventually become Uber. I do, however, feel that Mew remain in OU until the metagame begins to settle down. It's definitely overshadowed by the current suspects.
 
Agreed, with Excadrill and Kyruum running around no on really cares about Mew right now.
 
Mew most likely wont become Uber this gen. It really cant put out like last gen, due to more powerhouses and better walls. Sure, it learns every TM and HM. Thats old and worn out. Its best used as a baton passer this gen and is even outclassed by Smeargle at that, because Smeargle has access to some on the best moves in the game: Spore, Butterfly Dance, and Shell Smash. You can argue this down if you want, but its the sad truth.
 
Wait, learning every TM and HM in the game is "old and worn out"? When you have a support movepool that most Pokemon would die for (both WoW and Thunder Wave, Taunt, U-Turn, auto-heal, almost any boosting move you desire with Baton Pass) AND better offensive moves on both sides of the spectrum AND 600 BST, I would beg to differ. Yes, Mew has yet to find its niche in this metagame but you are badly underselling it.

How is Smeargle better than Mew? It has craptastic defenses, bad speed, and worst of all, it cannot use its own boosting moves due to its horrible stats. It relies on BP, which it may not be able to use anyways due to the aforemention problems. There are so many more things that fuck up Smeargle's strategy than Mew's (Lum Berry, Taunt, anything that negates Focus Sash, etc) and I can scarcely believe that the fact that it gets Butterfly Dance and Shell Smash can compete with a 600 BST monster that gets "inferior" boosting moves but has the capability of not only setting up, but sweeping if it so wished. Smeargle has always gotten Belly Drum which is obviously "better" than Swords Dance, but nobody uses it because it can't effectively use it with its abysmal base stats. Venomoth is a more viable Butterfly Dance passer: sure, it has to rely on Sleep Powder but you have better speed, and can scare shit with Tinted Lens Bug Buzz.
 
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Volt Change, Dragon Tail, and possibly Psycho Shock/Acrobatics are about the best things it gains this generation. Bark Out can also be good. If any Mew is potent, it will have to have been imported from an earlier Gen (a 5th Gen event won't be so deadly), unless tutors come along in more games.

I think Mew is still uber though. The combinations of moves it has through 3 generations of games is just plain redonculi. (On a side note, Mew is probably the most viable Nitro Charger, aside from Arcanine, the Zebra (?), and Reshiram. I think he can still make great sweeps.)

Regarding Smeargle--Smeargle can maybe sweep this Gen, with Tail Glow.
 
Nope. The Tail Glow buff ain't enough to save that pathetic Sp. Attack.
 
347 SpA -> 252 SpA Timid Smeargle after one Tail Glow
472 SpA -> Timid Mew with NO SpA investment whatsoever after one NP

Nope.

Forgot about Volt Change (for special based Mews; watch out for Dory though) and Dragon Tail which are actually quite nice, I agree.
 
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Wait, learning every TM and HM in the game is "old and worn out"? When you have a support movepool that most Pokemon would die for (both WoW and Thunder Wave, Taunt, U-Turn, auto-heal, almost any boosting move you desire with Baton Pass) AND better offensive moves on both sides of the spectrum AND 600 BST, I would beg to differ. Yes, Mew has yet to find its niche in this metagame but you are badly underselling it.

How is Smeargle better than Mew? It has craptastic defenses, bad speed, and worst of all, it cannot use its own boosting moves due to its horrible stats. It relies on BP, which it may not be able to use anyways due to the aforemention problems. There are so many more things that fuck up Smeargle's strategy than Mew's (Lum Berry, Taunt, anything that negates Focus Sash, etc) and I can scarcely believe that the fact that it gets Butterfly Dance and Shell Smash can compete with a 600 BST monster that gets "inferior" boosting moves but has the capability of not only setting up, but sweeping if it so wished. Smeargle has always gotten Belly Drum which is obviously "better" than Swords Dance, but nobody uses it because it can't effectively use it with its abysmal base stats. Venomoth is a more viable Butterfly Dance passer: sure, it has to rely on Sleep Powder but you have better speed, and can scare shit with Tinted Lens Bug Buzz.
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Basically what you did was attack Smearlge by saying its bad because its stats suck. Which isn't true at all.

How is Smeargle better than Mew? It has craptastic defenses, bad speed, and worst of all, it cannot use its own boosting moves due to its horrible stats.



Okay Smearlge can do anything mew can, even more so with spore. Also it has the ability Inconsistant. Have you faced that shit in Ubers? Its unfucking stoppable with Assist Power. yes, Assist Power. You get infinite boosts therefore the base power never stops rising. Can mew do that? No. So by you're logic mew sucks. Furthermore, you're making it seem as if anyone actually like, uses Smeargle as an attacker in OU, in which case they are stupid and don't deserve to own the game. of course Smeargle doesn't have the attacking stats to use any of the moves it passes. Big fucking deal, If I wanted a shell smash sweeper I would use Cloyster, but since I'm not actually using them offensively at all, why the hell do you keep making references to Smeargles attack? Also you act as if its stats are just so low that no one will use him. If that was the case, why WOULD he even be used in the first place? Also did you say it relies on BP to be effective? Wll no shit sherlock, its a fucking pure Baton Pass pokemon. Have you been living under a rock so long you don't know what that is? IMO you don't know what role a pokemon plays, and your post clearly shows this.
 
^dude. chill.

Smeargal is hindred gretaly by its base stats. Once he is phased out, switches out, ETC, he's done for the battle. Try switching into anything this gen, and dont say focus sash, cause entry hazzards will cancel that out. Try doing much when you tricked your choice item, and youve used the sleep clause. Mew is far superior to smearagl, and a believe he will go to ubers
 
There's also the fact that Inconsistent adds the same "unstoppable" factor to Bidoof, of all things.
 
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