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[FinalArcadia]

Re: Futurama Mafia- Day Three- Lovers' Quarrel- 4/25/14

I really don't think GliscorMan is mafia, and have a feeling this will be a mislynch. Yes, he suggested a vig kill on harryheart very early, but we had just taken out mafia, were in a pretty good spot to start with, and harryheart's D1 posts/vote did stand out quite a bit. It would've narrowed the field down for the next phase while possibly hitting mafia, and honestly I can't really blame him for suggesting it. Plus, it's not like the vig had to listen, and if it was an attempt of mafia to take out a townie, then all the heat would just go directly to him come the day phase. And I don't know why a mafioso would want that after just losing a godfather.

His defense has made a lot of sense and he sounds genuinely frustrated, and like he said, there's not a whole lot that could tamper with him showing up town and thus wanting a copcheck if he was mafia (aside from maybe a bus driver? but I can't think of the last time I've seen one of those).

I actually believe GliscorMan, but at the same time, harryheart's anger is difficult to replicate as mafia. In short, it seems like very genuine frustration.

While GliscorMan has excellent points and good reasons to vote harryheart, I can't help but feel like GliscorMan is aiming to lead a lynch on a townie.

Vote: GliscorMan

I'm kind of confused here, because what is it you believe from GliscorMan? If you're believing what he's saying, what is the scum factor? It seems strange to believe what he's saying, and yet vote him anyway. Town can lead lynches on town (and to be fair, he wouldn't be the one who started the vote to get all the blame), and if you agree he has good points, I don't understand the vote?

EDIT: You know, I'm kind of seeing the point with Yato's post about superbob's post about FtV and harryheart for now, and I'd really like to hear a response from Zima.

UNVOTE: harryheart
VOTE: Zima

 

[Zexy]

Re: Futurama Mafia- Day Three- Lovers' Quarrel- 4/25/14

Hm, I would like to share this you all

A faint beeping resounds through your room, causing you to open your eyes. You glance over at the nightstand and see a glowing nose. You pick it up delicately, feeling relieved it isn't a real nose, and use it to light your way through the darkness.

Spoiler

You have been given a glow-in-the-dark nose! You now have a one-shot ability to see through the darkness of other's lies. PM me something someone said, and I'll tell you if they were lying. You can use this now or later.

I would like to use the ability for this post:

While I wholeheartedly agree that I'm not mafia,

Not lying.

Allright. Can I share this conversation with others, or is that spoilered text considered a "role PM"?

It's fine

It might clear harryheart.
The person who sends the gadgets has claimed to me, I don't know if they want to claim publicly though.

 

[harryheart]

Re: Futurama Mafia- Day Three- Lovers' Quarrel- 4/25/14

Well hopefully that above post clears me somewhat to those that may have still had suspicions.

Reading over things @GliscorMan; you've reacted very much like me (basically) and I'm reacting because I want to save my skin as I'm town and try and at least show that to those in thread. Your frustration seems genuine too, so I'm going to:

Unvote: GliscorMan

(as a side note though, I stated in my vote on Mido first day why I was doing that instead of Pikachu, so it wasn't without reason, and I also had forgotten there was a vote on her. I never answered that originally when you posed it and thought I'd at least clear that up...)

And I see what the posts about Zima say, and think it'd at least be worthwhile to hear from her about all this, @Zima; I'm interested in your answers please!

 

[Zexy]

Re: Futurama Mafia- Day Three- Lovers' Quarrel- 4/25/14

I will unvote GliscorMan for now.

UNVOTE: GliscorMan

Hope Zima gets a bit more pressured to post, she is around after all.

 

[Zima]

Re: Futurama Mafia- Day Three- Lovers' Quarrel- 4/25/14

@FinalArcadia;

I was referring to GliscorMan's mention of harryheart's behavior in the past game, but now that he's actually cleared, my vote on Gliscor stays for the same reason I mentioned in that post.

 

[GliscorMan]

Re: Futurama Mafia- Day Three- Lovers' Quarrel- 4/25/14

@Zima; you have yet to respond to my post. Would you please do so?

 

[Peaceful Giraffe]

Re: Futurama Mafia- Day Three- Lovers' Quarrel- 4/25/14

Midday vote count. Sorry if its off.
GliscorMan III (CrackFox, Zima, GastonGibus)
Zima II (GliscorMan, FinalArcadia)

 

[Zexy]

Re: Futurama Mafia- Day Three- Lovers' Quarrel- 4/25/14

Midday vote count. Sorry if its off.
GliscorMan III (CrackFox, Zima, GastonGibus)
Zima I (GliscorMan)

FinalArcadia voted Zima as well...
EDIT: All is right.

 

[GastlyGibus]

Re: Futurama Mafia- Day Three- Lovers' Quarrel- 4/25/14

Vig kills (and even deaths in general) are some of the most informative things for the Town, especially when it resolves a dispute between two people. That lets things get solved right out of the gate. We'd have a confirmed vigilante, one person proved either right/wrong about their accusation, and even more to discuss on the following day. This speeds up the game, and gives the Town an edge. A confirmed, specifically a vigilante, is something that always helps the Town. Now tell me again that's a bad thing.

I'm sorry, but please explain to me how a dead townie, under any circumstances, is a good thing. Killing off townies is practically doing the mafia's job for them. Yes, it may be "informative," but ultimately, it brings the town one step closer to defeat, and gives us less time to figure things out. I fail to see how going on killing sprees with such little evidence to back it up (at the time of the vig kill suggestion) gives the town an "edge."

You just killed a townie. That is not beneficial, period.

2. He maintained his vote on Midorikawa

Answer: I think you missed the part where I went offline. You can't withdraw a vote when you're offline.

You missed the part where you replied to Midorikawa twice, and still kept your vote on her.

3. He is relying on meta (provides example where Lysandre fooled everyone)

Answer: Um. I don't think you realize how powerful meta actually is. Sure, Lysandre managed to fool everyone. Heck, I've done it, too. But I was cop checked in that game, which would have made me a confirmed Town. But because I wasn't I was lynched the next day phase. This is why that someone being pro-town can't automatically be assumed to be Town, like it sounds happened with Lysandre).

Specifically, though, your mention of the other game is completely worthless and irrelevant. In this game, Harryheart did something he had done as scum in previous games. Why would anyone do that on purpose? Explain that to me. Bonus if you're logical.

How is it worthless and irrelevant? I specifically mentioned how the town relying on meta ruined their chances of winning. They saw Lysandre's "meta" and automatically assumed he was town. No cop checks ever came for him. Nobody ever inquired about his reasoning. They just assumed that he was town, because that was how he always played. So yeah, meta is a bad thing to rely on by itself.

Not to mention, players may decide to try out new methods or behave differently to see how it works. You can't just assume that everybody is going to act the same on everything every single game, and even if they do, that's not substantial evidence to prove that they are town or mafia.

In this game, Harryheart did something he had done as scum in previous games. Why would anyone do that on purpose? Explain that to me. Bonus if you're logical.

Because maybe he's unsure and doesn't want a mislynch like the rest of us? (well, the rest of us excluding you, since you seem keen on killing somebody no matter what.)

Looking back over his posts, I don't see how he's standing out as scummy as he is apparently to you. He already explained that he didn't see Pikachu's actions as particularly scummy, and since he hasn't been in many mafia games with Pikachu (In fact, isn't Pikachu relatively new to this section?), he wouldn't know. He's already explained himself numerous times, and only now, when everybody is out to get you, do you change your vote.

Answer: Uh, what? I didn't say I that at all. Read it a bit more carefully instead of just trying for fodder against me, and you'll find that I said that I intended to be pro-town, and that in the last game in which I was "pro-town" I flipped Mafia. Being pro-town is generally considered a good thing, but, for me, when it may be indicative of scum, I wanted any suspicion removed before it even began. Apparently that's a bad thing, according to the twisted logic that everyone here keeps using.

Saying that you intend to be pro-town is pretty much the same thing as saying you are pro-town. Again, as I said before, town players generally don't go around saying how they intend to be awesome and pro-town again. We'd be able to tell if you were pro-town by how you acted and what you said. Publicly announcing that you intend to be pro-town seems to me like you're trying way too hard to appear town.

The suggestion that I may be check-tampering role is laughable. The Godfather's dead. Heck, even the Roleblocker's dead. What could I possibly be? Framer? Oh wait, that makes people seem like Mafia under a check. Tailor? Oh wait, that only effects people when they're dead. Name one thing that I could be that would possibly have a cop check inaccurately reveal my alignment.

You mean like this?

Now, seeing as things are getting heated, and as others have stated (even harryheart) you do seem incredibly frustrated over this matter, I'm willing to reconsider my vote for the time being. I still don't fully trust you, though. I'm willing to see what others have to say before placing my final vote.

Unvote: GliscorMan

EDIT: Once again, @בן פורת and @Setra have stayed remarkably quiet during this phase. Any thoughts from you two that you wouldn't mind sharing?

@Midorikawa hasn't posted recently either, though I know she might be busy. When you get the chance, I'd like to hear some opinions from you as well.

 

[Zima]

Re: Futurama Mafia- Day Three- Lovers' Quarrel- 4/25/14

@Zima; you have yet to respond to my post. Would you please do so?

I just read over it. What am I supposed to say when you didn't ask me any questions. XD

 

[GastlyGibus]

Re: Futurama Mafia- Day Three- Lovers' Quarrel- 4/25/14

I just read over it. What am I supposed to say when you didn't ask me any questions. XD

He most likely wants you to explain the actions he specifically pointed out. Not really a question as much as a "You did these things and I don't know why."

 

[FinalArcadia]

Re: Futurama Mafia- Day Three- Lovers' Quarrel- 4/25/14

@FinalArcadia;

I was referring to GliscorMan's mention of harryheart's behavior in the past game, but now that he's actually cleared, my vote on Gliscor stays for the same reason I mentioned in that post.

It still doesn't make sense to me though, because you acknowledged that his points against harryheart made sense but are voting him for thinking he's going for a town lynch on purpose, and town can just as easily do by mistake. In your post that you voted with, I really don't see what reason you're having to vote him other than that, which doesn't have a whole lot of backing behind it, especially when he wasn't even the first to vote harryheart to have led a lynch on him.

Additionally, you said that harryheart's frustration to the votes/accusation seemed hard to fake as mafia. What do you think of GM's reactions to votes?

 

[Midorikawa]

Re: Futurama Mafia- Day Three- Lovers' Quarrel- 4/25/14

VOTE: Gliscorman just want to get my vote in before the update. I've been quiet because of work, though I'll explain reasoning when I get a chance to get on my computer.

 

[GastlyGibus]

Re: Futurama Mafia- Day Three- Lovers' Quarrel- 4/25/14

I really don't think GliscorMan is mafia, and have a feeling this will be a mislynch. Yes, he suggested a vig kill on harryheart very early, but we had just taken out mafia, were in a pretty good spot to start with, and harryheart's D1 posts/vote did stand out quite a bit. It would've narrowed the field down for the next phase while possibly hitting mafia, and honestly I can't really blame him for suggesting it. Plus, it's not like the vig had to listen, and if it was an attempt of mafia to take out a townie, then all the heat would just go directly to him come the day phase. And I don't know why a mafioso would want that after just losing a godfather.

After reading this, and looking over Gliscor's comments, I'm beginning to think this is more a clash of completely different methods of play rather than scummy behavior.

I strongly disagree with Gliscor's methods. I can kind of see the reasoning behind it even though I still think it's ridiculous, but the more I look at it, the more I'm reluctant to lynch him. I'm still going to be keeping a close eye on him, though... but for now we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I'm more interested to see what Midorikawa has to say now after her vote.

 

[Almonds]

Re: Futurama Mafia- Day Three- Lovers' Quarrel- 4/25/14

Vote: Zima

I don't think harryheart is mafia because of superbob's possible slip, and GliscorMan seems town from what I read in the previous posts.

I'd like to hear from Ben, but I'll vote Zima since she's the next best bet.

 

[Midorikawa]

Re: Futurama Mafia- Day Three- Lovers' Quarrel- 4/25/14

Felt this song made sense for this post.

Spoiler

[video=youtube;mvCgSqPZ4EM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvCgSqPZ4EM[/video]

Spoiler

Vote: Midorikawa

You know this is normal for Bob. So why the vote?

@<a href="http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/member.php?u=60395" target="_blank">Midorikawa</a>;

This seems like a defense of bobobo which is entirely uneeded D1. Also the fact that he says I know, which feels like pressuring.

Entirely possible that you were had not played in as many games with him. However, with my experience, Bob's actions appear to be entirely within the timeline of someone figuring out the game. This warrants a watchful eye, but not an immediate lynch.

Noted for future reference: Zexy subtly defended Mido. This may be important in the future, should one of them flip Mafia.

Again defending him, even though his lynch is not set in stone. Also the way he tries to make it look as though Zexy and I are a scum team. He sounds positive that one of us will flip mafia, and the whole sentence in general just makes us look scummier.

@<a href="http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/member.php?u=60395" target="_blank">Midorikawa</a>; I was making note of it. I wasn't jumping on it like "omg scum". I was noting it for future reference. I've been really paranoid as of late that I'll die soonish, so I put that out there just so that it would be available for everyone. The fact that @<a href="http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/member.php?u=60633" target="_blank">Zexy</a>; defended you is of interest because, unlike Bob, it is very likely that you can defend yourself adequately from suspicion.

Bob's done this kind of thing before, all sorts of jumpy. I feel like he'd be a good candidate for a power-role confirmation, but he really doesn't strike me as scum considering his past actions.

I find it interesting how Farfetch'd jumps in with his vote, and only at the beginning of the bandwagon. @<a href="http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/member.php?u=75251" target="_blank">Farfetchd the Vigilante</a>; I believe you have played games with Bob before. Do his actions strike you as odd? If so, why?

CrackFox brings up an excellent point about @<a href="http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/member.php?u=27116" target="_blank">harryheart</a>;.

Again defends bobobo, and tries to influence lynching of FTV.

I just got home and... Wow. I have to say, I'm really impressed. Nice job, guys! Now to read through everything that's happened, and what lead up to the lynch.

@<a href="http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/member.php?u=71772" target="_blank">GastonGibus</a>; You made a few comments about my early D1 vote. I have to say that a vote that early is not equivalent to "I think you're scum", it is equivalent to "I'd like you to answer this now, please."

The fact that he felt the need to vote me over just asking. Seems more like an excuse to have presented a possible counterwagon on a player he knows is town since scum would know who is town.

The above quote from Harryheart reeks of scum, especially given the circumstances that Pikachu was the Godfather. It blatantly defends him, and then attempts to put pressure on Midorikawa, who (in all honesty) didn't deserve any after responding to my questions, in addition to her analysis of the other comments. This really looks like an attempted counterwagon.

This is so hypocritical considering this is exactly what he did with me and bobobo.

If there is a Vigilante out there, I highly suggest that you shoot Harryheart. Investigative roles, I suggest targeting someone else.

Funny how people who have done nothing to look town keep saying things like this. Who the roles target are their choices, and also using a vig kill so early with so little information is majorly detrimental. In one of the star trek mafias I was cop. N1 or N2, I forget, anyways vig thought I was scummy. Vig killed me. I was cop. It was only one of two night phases in. Did I mention I was cop? See how risky and detrimental it is without better proof.

There was some controversy, apparently, when @<a href="http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/member.php?u=60395" target="_blank">Midorikawa</a>; began to suggest cop checks. I really don't see what's wrong with that, it's basically her way of openly stating the people that she A) has scum reads from B) wants to hear more from C) is worried about. There's nothing wrong with that.

No surprise he would say this since he was acting like he had the power to decide who gets vig killed and what not only a post before.

Mido brought up the fact that I would be a good cop check. In fact, I stand by that. Considering how incredibly pro-town I was in Disney Mafia, and how I intend on behaving in that manner again, it would be advisable to eliminate suspicions that I may, again, be Mafia-sided.

He seems really eager to clear himself, and the way he talks about behaving pro town and assuming that everyone is going to use meta is just strange.

@<a href="http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/member.php?u=53556" target="_blank">Zima</a>; You state that the only thing we know is Pikachu's role. While technically true, one can easily begin to make inferences regarding the behaviors of others. Thoughts?

He agrees and disagrees with her? This just looks like an attempt to look town without doing any real work.

That was entirely my fault, I apologize for the confusion.

There was some controversy, apparently, when @<a href="http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/member.php?u=60395" target="_blank">Midorikawa</a>; began to suggest cop checks. I really don't see what's wrong with that, it's basically her way of openly stating the people that she A) has scum reads from B) wants to hear more from C) is worried about. There's nothing wrong with that.

Mido brought up the fact that I would be a good cop check. In fact, I stand by that. Considering how incredibly pro-town I was in Disney Mafia, and how I intend on behaving in that manner again, it would be advisable to eliminate suspicions that I may, again, be Mafia-sided.

@<a href="http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/member.php?u=54682" target="_blank">HumanDawn</a>; What I said applies to you, not Mido. Any comments?

He agreed with Human’s actions yet questions them. Again seems like an attempt to look like he’s town or scumhunting.

@<a href="http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/member.php?u=71772" target="_blank">GastonGibus</a>; I don't think you realize that I was scum during Disney Mafia. That's why me being pro-town now won't have any effect in this game to clear me, specifically to the many people who also played that game; a cop check would be the only way to clear me in this game.

Again that pushing for a copcheck on himself. And the way he keeps bringing up his behavior in Disney mafia strikes me as a way for him to say later “would mafia point out how they acted as mafia in another game?”

My apologies. But you're still missing the point. The point is that I intend to play the same way that I did last game, and a cop check would satisfy peoples' suspicions they have of me. They're going to have those suspicions. I really don't get why trying to remove suspicion is scummy, especially when the Godfather's dead. It doesn't make sense in the slightest.

He acts as though everyone thinks he’s mafia, and again that desperation for a copcheck. To even out the results on him would be putting certain death on a player since mafia wouldn’t want someone being the go between for the cop. Also godfather being dead means nothing.

@<a href="http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/member.php?u=27116" target="_blank">harryheart</a>; You may have made an honest mistake. It is technically possible. However...

"What do we say about coincidences? The universe is never so lazy."

I've learned the hard way that coincidences of that magnitude should never be ignored. Plus, it isn't just the fact that you defended Pikachu; it's the fact that you defended him with no evidence to support you, and the way you did it really came across as scummy.

Here he goes again calling HH’s post voting me scummy when it could have been just a simple mistake. And he points out HH defending TP, however he defended bobobo day one with no evidence, and a worse reason to vote me than HH.

As for the people shouting about me and Human being "pushy". Uh... Seriously? We're basically just stating the confidence level we have in our accusations. I am 95% confident that Harry is scum. I am 100% confident that I am Town, but am aware that roughly 50% of the people in this game played in Disney Mafia, where I was considered among the 3 incredibly pro-town individuals before a cop check brought me down, which will cause many of them to be wary of anything I say.

Again with the Disney mafia. No townie should be so desperate to clear themselves unless they are going to be lynched. And I wouldn’t describe his and human’s behaviors as confident.

A little bit of extrapolation suggests that Human has a greater than 50% confidence level in his scumreads, which is why he suggested the Cop target one of the people. Just take it as a way of us giving scumreads, not as us telling the cop/vig what to do.

Why does human’s confidence level matter? Either way he talks about them giving scumreads when all he did was say to kill HH with no comments on anyone else.

Seriously, I really think we're focusing on the wrong aspects of the phases here. We can either start analyzing the voting pattern, and who defended whom, or we can begin analyzing who is trying to provide suggestions for the major Town power roles. One identifies people who are possible scum. The other identifies people who are attempting to be pro-town. I'll leave it up to you individually to decide which is better.

Suggesting =pro town? Since when? Both sides do that in hopes of it working in favor of them. He is really pushing that he looks pro town.

I'll be posting with my own advice shortly after the phase update, considering that it should be any minute now.

What happened to that advice?

I don't like inconsistencies.

Vote: Superbobbobbob3

Right now, at worst he turns up Independent. Considering how indeps could make things difficult later in the game, I'm fine with this lynch right now. More to come, probably later tonight or tomorrow morning.

Funny I heard there were some inconsistencies of your own claiming. Again hypocritical. Also indeps rarely cause trouble later on since most of the time they are survivors. They only cause trouble when they aren’t survivors.

I find it interesting that Harryheart's only evidence against me is that I wanted him shot because of his scumminess.

If that's not amusing, I don't know what is.

Vote: Harryheart

And your evidence is his post with his vote against me. Also OMGUS anyone?

@<a href="http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/member.php?u=60633" target="_blank">Zexy</a>; I don't recall trying to push the lynch off Bob. My vote for Mido was on D1 (and a random explanation/pressure vote early at that), while the lynch against Bob was D2. Bob ragequit before I could respond and form my own opinion, so there wasn't really anything I could say. You'll also notice that the reason I didn't do anything against Pikachu was because I was offline.

1) Bobobo was on chopping block day one too
2) Funny that he says he couldn’t form his own opinion when he voted bobobo.
3) He didn’t do anything against Pikachu, but doesn’t mean he would have if he was online. For all we know he would have done something for her.

So, really, there's not much to explain other than the fact that you have things wrong. If you look at the voting order, you'll see that Harryheart voted for Mido as well, which is a clear scumtell in my opinion. Know why? Because Mido already had a vote, and stacking it up with mine made for a more compelling counter-bandwagon. It's a classic move of someone desperate to change the tide of things; Harry didn't have any evidence behind his vote. Plus, he's done this kind of thing before specifically as Mafia.

WTF? For starters it was day one and that implies that CF is scum for putting a second vote on Human, and anyone who did a second vote on another is scum if there was already a bandwagon on someone else. Secondly GM himself voted me without good reasoning, HH voted with a reason, albeit not a good one, but still better than GM’s.

That's the reason I wanted to have Harry shot. I still stand by my accusation. I'd already defended myself against it earlier. What more do you want from me? I trusted Human enough to claim to him last night phase, but obviously that didn't end well, so he can't vouch for me.

And I’m guessing that you killed him so you’re claim to him wouldn’t get out because Human is talkative.

@<a href="http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/member.php?u=60633" target="_blank">Zexy</a>; As I've explained, my reasoning for voting against Mido was not because she voted for Bob but because of the reasoning for her voting Bob. At the time, I was under the impression that Mido had previously played games with Bob and knew that it was entirely within his norms to be erratic and unpredictable. Mido later pointed out that I was in error, and I apologized for making a false assumption.

You never apologized. Yet another lie.

Because my vote was early and yours was late, bandwagoning off of my lingering vote in an attempt to change what was already happening. The situations are not at all identical.

I wouldn’t call two votes a bandwagoning, and you’re right they aren’t identical. HH had a better reason. Funny thing is this is the first I’ve heard that he voted me because of my reasoning for voting bobobo. Sounds like HH’s reason for voting me, except he stated it in the post.

I'm trying to restrain myself from tearing your post to pieces. Please just take these points in mind, all of which I'm getting really tired of mentioning.

1. I was never "reluctant" to lynch those two. I was offline when Pikachu's lynch started and went through. I was offline when Bob was bandwagoned and ragequit. This "reluctant" and "against" stuff is completely false. The only thing remotely close was the D1 vote (something like the 7th post of the game) that Mido placed on Bob due to his poor reaction. I voted for Mido for reasons explained, which I explained and explained and explained and look just here:

How are we to know if he would have not defended TP or not. And again he voted bobobo before the quit. He jumped on the bandwagon.

2. I will once again explain why I wanted the vigilante to shoot Harryheart.

Event 1: Mido votes Bob for his weirdness
Event 2: I vote Mido in accordance to the quote I made above
Event 3: Mido responds logically
Event 4: I go offline (vote maintained, as nothing new had come up)
Event 5: Bandwagon turns on Pikachu
Event 6: Harryheart attempts to turn the bandwagon around on Midorikawa, who happens to 1. already have a vote on her (from me) and 2. is key in leading the lynch on Pikachu
Event 7: Pikachu flips Mafia

1 I vote bobobo for being scummy
2 GM votes me because I voted bobobo
3 I respond logically
4 He despite the fact that I apparently respond logically, keeps his vote because there is no other non-mafia target to vote.
5 I believe bobobo’s cop claim and turn the lynch onto TP
6 HH thinks TP is town and votes me as a counterwagon because I’m the only one who there is any reason for. I am not the key, just the first to vote her. GM is offline though he may have defended her if he was on. We don’t know.
7 TP was godfather. That means nothing

Harry's reactions line up almost exactly with things I've seen him do before when he's trying to defend fellow scum from a bandwagon. Heck, he did it in SAO Mafia, which I hosted. That's why I wanted him shot. If I had an ability which would let me shoot him, I would have used it. But I don't, so instead I made it known what I would do.

Says he’s going to act like scum self in Disney mafia, but is town.
Says HH is acting like scumself from another game and thus should be shot.
Hypocrite.

Now we don't have the chance, so we just have to lynch him.

Still have questions? Go back and reread the first day. Then tell me that you don't have a scumread on Harry from what he did.

1) We always have a chance
2) Not anymore since you are so adamant against him.

Forgive me if I sound snappy, I've been answering the same questions over and over.

And you continue with the same scummy answers.

@<a href="http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/member.php?u=71772" target="_blank">GastonGibus</a>;

I'm condensing your reasons/reasoning because I don't want to be accused of flaming.

1. He wanted to have Harryheart shot. Day 1 Vig-kills never work out, and he wanted one based off of the votes.

Answer: Vig kills (and even deaths in general) are some of the most informative things for the Town, especially when it resolves a dispute between two people. That lets things get solved right out of the gate. We'd have a confirmed vigilante, one person proved either right/wrong about their accusation, and even more to discuss on the following day. This speeds up the game, and gives the Town an edge. A confirmed, specifically a vigilante, is something that always helps the Town. Now tell me again that's a bad thing.

Not if you kill someone like cop or doc. Also vigs can be mafia.

As to the second part of that, voting pattern. Voting pattern is, without a doubt, the single most effective way of catching scum. In many guides, it's suggested that one keep a vote tally to analyze not just who votes for whom, but when they vote each other. That's why I went for Harryheart. He voted for Midorikawa (with no reasoning whatsoever behind it!) when there was a clear bandwagon present, and included this with a little defense on Bob. In addition, the voting numbers indicated that he was trying to get a little bit close to tying up the votes because he voted someone who already had a vote on them.

Right voting pattern tells everything. Just like how in the TWD mafia I helped lynch all the mafia members and the serial killer. Guess what? I was mafia. And your vote on me indicated the same thing.

]2. He maintained his vote on Midorikawa

Answer: I think you missed the part where I went offline. You can't withdraw a vote when you're offline.

You could have before you went offline, you know after I responded to you and you responded back.

3. He is relying on meta (provides example where Lysandre fooled everyone)

Answer: Um. I don't think you realize how powerful meta actually is. Sure, Lysandre managed to fool everyone. Heck, I've done it, too. But I was cop checked in that game, which would have made me a confirmed Town. But because I wasn't I was lynched the next day phase. This is why that someone being pro-town can't automatically be assumed to be Town, like it sounds happened with Lysandre).

Yet he kept talking about how pro town he is and how he should be cop checked because cop checks are everything. Oh and going by meta if he is acting pro town then he is scum according to Disney mafia.

Specifically, though, your mention of the other game is completely worthless and irrelevant. In this game, Harryheart did something he had done as scum in previous games. Why would anyone do that on purpose? Explain that to me. Bonus if you're logical.

And you keep talking about acting like yourself in Disney mafia where you were scum. Why would a townie push that? Bonus if you’re not hypocritical again…wait you already are.

Answer: Yeah, you're right this time. Meta is a poor way of discerning alignment. But you know what it's great at? Figuring out if someone is hiding something or lying. That's usually indicative of someone being scum or being hyper-paranoid. In this case, hyper-paranoid can be ruled out because Harry did something that, if he was that paranoid, he would have probably ruled out doing as it was so characteristic of him when he's scum.

GM keeps talking about HH acting like his scumself did in another game yet now says that meta can’t be used for alignment. Hypocrisy!

5. He said he were "pro-town" and wanted the cop to check him. He's probably a check-tampering role.

Answer: Uh, what? I didn't say I that at all. Read it a bit more carefully instead of just trying for fodder against me, and you'll find that I said that I intended to be pro-town, and that in the last game in which I was "pro-town" I flipped Mafia. Being pro-town is generally considered a good thing, but, for me, when it may be indicative of scum, I wanted any suspicion removed before it even began. Apparently that's a bad thing, according to the twisted logic that everyone here keeps using.
The suggestion that I may be check-tampering role is laughable. The Godfather's dead. Heck, even the Roleblocker's dead. What could I possibly be? Framer? Oh wait, that makes people seem like Mafia under a check. Tailor? Oh wait, that only effects people when they're dead. Name one thing that I could be that would possibly have a cop check inaccurately reveal my alignment.

You keep saying you intend to act like your Disney mafia scumself. You keep making a point to say it for some reason. Also again it doesn’t matter if the godfather is dead.

I'll be posting in an hour or so with my full analysis of voting patterns (including on my lynch), as well as literally everything that I've thought about this game. If you're going to kill me, I'm going to put literally everything I know into the open. That's the only place that I trust it to be used.

This never came either.

I was planning on posting a series of PMs that Human and I had shared, to ensure complete transparency. But then it occurred to me that I'm probably going to die anyways, and that I'm beginning to lose my faith that Harry is Mafia, so I don't think he'd be a good alternate lynch.

More like he doesn’t want to reveal his lies.

I have to say this mostly because the post consisting of the PMs to/from Bob mentioned Fetch'd and HH as possible targets. This really bugs me, because it was probably true.

Is on the chopping block and suddenly HH is town.

Now you know who I think would be a good alternate lynch (even though I don't at all expect it to save me)? Zima.

Zima was conspicuously absent in the lynch on Pikachu.

What people don’t have lives? Maybe she was busy and offline like you or are you stalking her and to do that you would have had to been online.

In fact, this quote thing was really the only thing she said during that bandwagon. She says she has suspicions, and then just doesn't vote either of them. Lots and lots of fluffy posts to say "hey I'm active" with nothing really of note in them. Then she votes for Bob during the bandwagon.

You voted bobobo too, and didn’t take sides either D1. Neither did a few others that actually jumped on the TP bandwagon. At least she didn’t jump on it. That itself is taking a side in a way.

Now, she finally makes herself apparent. But what does she say?

I actually believe GliscorMan, but at the same time, harryheart's anger is difficult to replicate as mafia. In short, it seems like very genuine frustration.

While GliscorMan has excellent points and good reasons to vote harryheart, I can't help but feel like GliscorMan is aiming to lead a lynch on a townie.

Vote: GliscorMan

This reminds me a lot of the first post I quoted. The only difference is that, while Bob and Pikachu were both Mafia (and thus would be a hard choice for a Mafia member to make, explaining why she didn't vote), you'll find out shortly that I will flip Town.

Or that you will flip mafia. Also HH didn’t view either as scum either, and suddenly you think he is town.

Right now it's just a hunch, but I stand by my conviction that voting patterns are the most important key to finding Mafia.

Also real quick. I found out that I'd actually been part of the Bob wagon, and forgotten about it. Oh well.

UNVOTE: Harryheart
VOTE: Zima

Again voting patterns aren’t everything. Look at TWD with me bussing all of my lovely walker teammates and the governor. Also you just realized that, right when you push the attention on someone else. Interesting timing.

@<a href="http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/member.php?u=53556" target="_blank">Zima</a>; you have yet to respond to my post. Would you please do so?

Would you please admit your lies?

So other reason I think GM is scum. Apparently he claimed vanilla to Human however he claimed inheritor to another player. I think he is an inheritor, a mafia inheritor that took on godfather after TP died. That’s why he is pushing to be checked so that he can crawl into the town inner circle of the cop. And also obviously he is telling different abilities. Ah so hypocritical.

 

[GastlyGibus]

Re: Futurama Mafia- Day Three- Lovers' Quarrel- 4/25/14

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Vote: GliscorMan

Midorikawa has a pretty strong case here. Unless someone can offer a good rebuttal, I'm keeping this vote this time.

 

[GliscorMan]

Re: Futurama Mafia- Day Three- Lovers' Quarrel- 4/25/14

And once again @Midorikawa; assumes that I'm a godly player that literally can know anything and everything. She's so set in her opinion that absolutely anything I say is "a clear scum tell". You can't argue with someone who refuses to abide be reason.

Even if I did come out with my full claim and the story with me and HumanDawn's discussion, it wouldn't make any difference. Especially because nobody trusts a blue claim. But here they are anyways.

Spoiler

Hi. I haven't said much because I've been a bit busy. But anyways, in light of recent events and your mason claim, I'd like to offer you my own claim, in addition to a request.

I am a regular ol' Blue. Because of whoever it was who wound up Vanilla, too, I suspect there's maybe 1 or 2 other nillas out there.

And as for the request. You can share this with your Masons partner, but I really don't want you giving this claim to anyone else; Blue doesn't sound like a threat, but is also a guaranteed easy kill, and can also be used by the Mafia to pinpoint power roles. I'm not saying that I think you'll share this with Mafia, or that your Mason will. I just think that an information leak always ends up happening, and I want it to be carefully controlled in our favor. Accurate information is an invaluable commodity in a game like this, especially when very few have actual powers.

So if anyone other than your Mason buddy asks, I'm a universal backup for any power role. Doctor, Cop, Tracker, Reporter, you name it. First person who dies, I take over. That's my story, ok?

Questions?

Um, while I appreciate the claim, why should I agree to this? (i'm thinking of agreeing but i want to know what you think)

Like, I can see the point with the universal backup thing to get you Nightkilled maybe, but if I spread it around I'm worried it would sound forced, so it would be better if you made up a claim confession post for me to give to others.

I won't tell anyone you claimed Vanilla yet.

The idea is that the Town will have more control over the information the Mafia receives. I don't want you to go around handing out my claim like candy. On the contrary, I want it to only be casually mentioned in conversation like you normally would with people you consider to be allies. That way, if something leaks, then you can easily pinpoint that there is a leak in the first place, and there won't be any majorly disastrous consequences.

It's sort of a spy thing, if you will. Sow confusion among any Mafia member who ends up hearing things. I can also take the fall for any other role that can pick things up.

Sure it's probably just me subconsciously wanting my role to be more interesting, but this way it a Vanilla can become useful to the Town. That's all I'm really asking, here.

If it helps, I'll put together a claim for you to send out to people who ask about it/you decide to tell

Okay I'll really do it, from your most recent posts in thread I've been getting Town vibes, and if you're Mafia then there wouldn't be much, if any benefit for you.

Yeah that would make things easier for me, and if others figure out you're lying, you could just post that it was a plan you told me about.

If you're really still that paranoid, you need to lynch me. Right now. I mean it. It would clear up more with what's happened, and who's said what. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Deaths, no matter what the occasion, will always provide information. This applies to me, just as it does to everyone else.

 

[Zima]

Re: Futurama Mafia- Day Three- Lovers' Quarrel- 4/25/14

I'm not feeling two vanillas in a game this size... :/

Your anger seems genuine though; I'm torn.

​Unvote: GliscorMan

 

[Midorikawa]

Re: Futurama Mafia- Day Three- Lovers' Quarrel- 4/25/14

@GliscorMan; It's not the fact that you claimed vanilla, its the fact that you claimed such different abilities to different players. Its also a multitude of other things, however you apparently ignored those and concentrated just on my comment about your claim.