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[HumanDawn]

Re: Collapse [Mature] - Chapter Five (D3): So Many Dead, One Soft in the Head (6/18/1

VOTE: Froakie

I understand the whole not liking being suspected as Town and that it's good to use some natural suspicion to your advantage to not be killed, but complaining after doing nothing and saying you want to use the suspicion to contribute more when not much was contributed in the first place is very hypocritical. Just being a player who wants to stay alive doesn't make much sense to me either, and when there's a player I believe wouldn't really flip Mafia I defend them as best as I could instead of only complaining how right I was after the result.

Speaking of people avoiding being in active discussions, @FinalArcadia;, you're usually more active but you've only made a few posts in this game, why is that?

By the way according to Forgotten's Role PM saying if the target was targeted by something other than Town they'd die too, it makes me wonder if the Mafia has a role to use on their own members. Shiny Ditto being their RoleCop and using something like a Doctor(which would make sense for them to have considering the kills N1) or Lawyer(for those who don't know what a Lawyer is it's a role that can select a player and make them appear Town in checks) on them would make a lot of sense, and other than that there could be an Independent which used their role on Shiny Ditto.

 

[Mijzelffan]

Re: Collapse [Mature] - Chapter Five (D3): So Many Dead, One Soft in the Head (6/18/1

unvote: froakie
vote: soulmaster

I was hoping voting Froakie would allow for more discussion but in the end it didn't do a lot but some ideological discussion about how to behave as town which doesn't help that much. @Soulmaster; @Xolw; and @Rabbit; you have been the most inactive so far, xolw has an actual excuse, not sure about rabbit for but for soulmaster it seems like it's on purpose. He even says it so himself here.

 

[Beck]

Re: Collapse [Mature] - Chapter Five (D3): So Many Dead, One Soft in the Head (6/18/1

Froakie: 1 (HumanDawn)
Soulmaster: 1 (Mijzelffan)

Only a few hours remain.

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3.) @HumanDawn;
4.) @Froakie;
5.) @Clusiana;
7.) @Soulmaster;
8.) @FinalArcadia;
9.) @Xolw;
10.) @Rabbit;
11.) @Elysion;
12.) @Mijzelffan;
15.) @Zexy;
16.) @MarioMiner;
18.) @Synthesis;
20.) @Momoka;

Several of you have been inactive for nearly three full phases. If you don't begin to contribute in some manner then I will replace you without hesitation and without warning. If you have a specific reason for the inactivity, that's fine, but please let me know why as soon as possible. And if you honestly cannot play because of time restrictions, please just let me know as well. I will understand, my feelings won't be hurt.

Thank you!

 

[Beck]

Re: Collapse [Mature] - Chapter Five (D3): So Many Dead, One Soft in the Head (6/18/1

DISCLAIMER: I will replace you regardless of your alignment, role, character, flavor, or any additional factor. An active player is an active player in-thread, not just behind the scenes. If you have any questions regarding this, please PM me.

 

[Elysion]

Re: Collapse [Mature] - Chapter Five (D3): So Many Dead, One Soft in the Head (6/18/1

Vote: Soulmaster

I've spoken to Froakie and I think its best that we leave her alone for now.

 

[HumanDawn]

Re: Collapse [Mature] - Chapter Five (D3): So Many Dead, One Soft in the Head (6/18/1

UNVOTE: Froakie
VOTE: Soulmaster

 

[Synthesis]

Re: Collapse [Mature] - Chapter Five (D3): So Many Dead, One Soft in the Head (6/18/1

Vote: Soulmaster

I've spoken to Froakie and I think its best that we leave her alone for now.

did she claim to you?

 

[FinalArcadia]

Re: Collapse [Mature] - Chapter Five (D3): So Many Dead, One Soft in the Head (6/18/1

Speaking of people avoiding being in active discussions, @FinalArcadia;, you're usually more active but you've only made a few posts in this game, why is that?

I wasn't even online here for two days, but I did look through the thread yesterday to see the I think 3 or so (roughly?) pages I missed. Looking through, nothing caught my eye especially like in D1/N1 other than the utter bloodbath that every night phase seems to be, and I didn't want to make a pointless post if I had nothing particularly new or important to say because those aren't helpful in the slightest, so I'll hold off until I'd given the entire thread a read-through again - not just the recent pages - and try to make some connections between what all has occurred.

I'll try to be more active now though, I should be able to and with another full look at the thread I'm sure something will catch my attention... hopefully, with how things are going anyway.

Before that though, I'll also

VOTE: Soulmaster

That post Mijz linked to is definitely strange and does show he's aware of his mafia-play in a way that he might be trying to change it now if he's scum, and if Froakie is sounding okay to Elysion, Soulmaster seems like a good alternative.

 

[Qing'e]

Re: Collapse [Mature] - Chapter Five (D3): So Many Dead, One Soft in the Head (6/18/1

Hm. 1: Reading the FT, it practically says that Oswin was eliminated by the Serial Killer.

Spoiler

He clearly hadn’t eaten in days.

the man wielding the weapon began to cry hysterically.

“I’m so sorry, Blondie,” he screeched. “I love you. I love you.” The man then thrust the knife deeper. The man wept as he lay over Rodney’s dead body. “I didn’t mean to hurt you.” He began to stroke Rodney’s blonde curly hair. He then made quickly with cleaning up his mess, bagging Rodney into large black garbage bags. The hysteric man placed the garbage bags on the stoop of a large home residing on the corner of one of Swell’s busiest streets, then rung the door well as he fled for the shadows. On the garbage bags there was a note.

It read “Dessert Has Been Served.”

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Does this sound like the appearance and behavior of a hitman, or an insane murderer?

With that said,

Ok so if I understand this correctly the mafia killed Oswin and then Forgotten as a sort of granny bodyguard bomb killed shiny ditto upon him investigating forgotten.

Miz, how did you get that out of it?

Also, you say this:

The mafia honestly is so daft I wonder if they even read the thread, maybe they are all like shiny ditto in that they hardly contribute anything to the main discussions.

If I understand you correctly, you're saying that it's stupid for the Mafia to not participate in discussions...

vote: froakie

She has been staying out of the big discussions and basically just pointed fingers afterwards, which seems like the mafia thing to do.

...but then you say that that's what the Mafia should be doing?

2: I wonder, Forgotten made the right choice in who to protect, but why? Was it luck? If not, why did he choose that person? I would assume that said person talked to and convinced him, but then, what made him/her feel it was safe to contact Forgotten?
With that said, whoever was protected, it seems clear that you have an important ability(from the FT which I'm not going out of my way to quote, and what Shiny Ditto said afterward), and you will be targeted again, so if you have any case to make, I suggest that you PM it to someone.

And 3:

UNVOTE: Froakie
VOTE: Soulmaster

You suddenly changed votes without explanation, I assume Froakie contacted you? Did she claim? If so, what?

 

[Mijzelffan]

Re: Collapse [Mature] - Chapter Five (D3): So Many Dead, One Soft in the Head (6/18/1

Hm. 1: Reading the FT, it practically says that Oswin was eliminated by the Serial Killer.

Does this sound like the appearance and behavior of a hitman, or an insane murderer?

You shouldn't really use flavour text as evidence for anything, while hints might be dropped in it sometimes it's mainly for flavour. It said Shiny Ditto has been silenced to death, do you think a silencer killed him as well?

With that said,

Ok so if I understand this correctly the mafia killed Oswin and then Forgotten as a sort of granny bodyguard bomb killed shiny ditto upon him investigating forgotten.

Miz, how did you get that out of it?

Reading the role pm's instead of the flavour text, you know, the actual game elements.

Also, you say this:

The mafia honestly is so daft I wonder if they even read the thread, maybe they are all like shiny ditto in that they hardly contribute anything to the main discussions.

If I understand you correctly, you're saying that it's stupid for the Mafia to not participate in discussions...

You're not understanding correctly, I'm saying the mafia is stupid and that because of that they're likely not reading the thread well enough.

vote: froakie

She has been staying out of the big discussions and basically just pointed fingers afterwards, which seems like the mafia thing to do.

...but then you say that that's what the Mafia should be doing?

What someone should do and what someone commonly tends to do are two different things.

2: I wonder, Forgotten made the right choice in who to protect, but why? Was it luck? If not, why did he choose that person? I would assume that said person talked to and convinced him, but then, what made him/her feel it was safe to contact Forgotten?
With that said, whoever was protected, it seems clear that you have an important ability(from the FT which I'm not going out of my way to quote, and what Shiny Ditto said afterward), and you will be targeted again, so if you have any case to make, I suggest that you PM it to someone.

No, read his role pm. He was very most likely visited by shiny ditto and that's why they both died.

And 3:

UNVOTE: Froakie
VOTE: Soulmaster

You suddenly changed votes without explanation, I assume Froakie contacted you? Did she claim? If so, what?

He changed his vote after me and Elysion, that's not very sudden.

 

[Qing'e]

Re: Collapse [Mature] - Chapter Five (D3): So Many Dead, One Soft in the Head (6/18/1

You shouldn't really use flavour text as evidence for anything, while hints might be dropped in it sometimes it's mainly for flavour.

But Beck specifically mentioned that it was worth paying attention to the flavor text in this game, as it would contain hints fairly often.

With that said,

Ok so if I understand this correctly the mafia killed Oswin and then Forgotten as a sort of granny bodyguard bomb killed shiny ditto upon him investigating forgotten.

Miz, how did you get that out of it?

Reading the role pm's instead of the flavour text, you know, the actual game elements.

Just to make sure, I'll clarify that I was asking on your saying that the mafia killed Oswin. Otherwise, see above.

Also, you say this:

The mafia honestly is so daft I wonder if they even read the thread, maybe they are all like shiny ditto in that they hardly contribute anything to the main discussions.

If I understand you correctly, you're saying that it's stupid for the Mafia to not participate in discussions...

You're not understanding correctly, I'm saying the mafia is stupid and that because of that they're likely not reading the thread well enough.

vote: froakie

She has been staying out of the big discussions and basically just pointed fingers afterwards, which seems like the mafia thing to do.

...but then you say that that's what the Mafia should be doing?

What someone should do and what someone commonly tends to do are two different things.

Fair enough.

2: I wonder, Forgotten made the right choice in who to protect, but why? Was it luck? If not, why did he choose that person? I would assume that said person talked to and convinced him, but then, what made him/her feel it was safe to contact Forgotten?
With that said, whoever was protected, it seems clear that you have an important ability(from the FT which I'm not going out of my way to quote, and what Shiny Ditto said afterward), and you will be targeted again, so if you have any case to make, I suggest that you PM it to someone.

No, read his role pm. He was very most likely visited by shiny ditto and that's why they both died.

Wha...? Are you saying Forgotten was visited by Shiny Ditto?

And 3:

UNVOTE: Froakie
VOTE: Soulmaster

You suddenly changed votes without explanation, I assume Froakie contacted you? Did she claim? If so, what?

He changed his vote after me and Elysion, that's not very sudden.

So he just jumped on the bandwagon without explanation, and dropped his case against Froakie? You're right, that's not sudden, it's suspicious.

 

[Zexy]

Re: Collapse [Mature] - Chapter Five (D3): So Many Dead, One Soft in the Head (6/18/1

Well, since I trust Elysion I will:

VOTE: Soulmaster

Hm. 1: Reading the FT, it practically says that Oswin was eliminated by the Serial Killer.

Oh, that is an interesting possibility I have not considered.
My thought was that the mafia kill was on Oswin, and Shiny Ditto rolecopped someone bodyguarded by Forgotten. But it could be a Serial Kill on Oswin and a mafia kill on Forgotten by Shiny Ditto.

With that said,

Ok so if I understand this correctly the mafia killed Oswin and then Forgotten as a sort of granny bodyguard bomb killed shiny ditto upon him investigating forgotten.

Miz, how did you get that out of it?

I can see his logic, since the Oswin kill was separate from the other two, and not linked to the "granny bodyguard bomb" as a result.
What Mijz said would only work if Forgotten protected himself, or someone else, and Shiny Ditto picked that someone for his rolecop.

 

[Soulmaster]

Re: Collapse [Mature] - Chapter Five (D3): So Many Dead, One Soft in the Head (6/18/1

So Soulmaster checks thread and notices that he has several votes on him. Yes, Soulmaster admits he has been more inactive than normal, and apologies for it. Looking back Soulmaster should of respond to stuff others said, but Soulmaster wasn't thinking.

So, @Mijzelffan;. Your main argument is that Soulmaster lurks normally. Yes, he knows that he should not be quite as inactive, but he is a "watchful waiter" so what is the problem with that? It seems everytime you talk about Soulmaster, you bring up this bit of information.

So, Soulmaster asks you, what would clear him? Getting that out of the way would help. If roleclaiming is allowed(could not tell if it was or was not, Beck?) Soulmaster will, if it will clear him.

And the first couple votes are acceptable, but the last couple? Namely, Human's. Once you unvoted Froakie, Soulmaster was to be lynched. The vote wasn't overly unexpected, but still. As of now, unless Soulmaster missed some stuff, you, HD, are the scummy person in his books. Not overly, as in not quite enough to warrant a vote, but still.

Oh, when was Elysion cleared? Y'all seem to trust her, but when was she cleared?

 

[Zexy]

Re: Collapse [Mature] - Chapter Five (D3): So Many Dead, One Soft in the Head (6/18/1

So Soulmaster checks thread and notices that he has several votes on him. Yes, Soulmaster admits he has been more inactive than normal, and apologies for it. Looking back Soulmaster should of respond to stuff others said, but Soulmaster wasn't thinking.

So, @Mijzelffan;. Your main argument is that Soulmaster lurks normally. Yes, he knows that he should not be quite as inactive, but he is a "watchful waiter" so what is the problem with that? It seems everytime you talk about Soulmaster, you bring up this bit of information.

So, Soulmaster asks you, what would clear him? Getting that out of the way would help. If roleclaiming is allowed(could not tell if it was or was not, Beck?) Soulmaster will, if it will clear him.

And the first couple votes are acceptable, but the last couple? Namely, Human's. Once you unvoted Froakie, Soulmaster was to be lynched. The vote wasn't overly unexpected, but still. As of now, unless Soulmaster missed some stuff, you, HD, are the scummy person in his books. Not overly, as in not quite enough to warrant a vote, but still.

Oh, when was Elysion cleared? Y'all seem to trust her, but when was she cleared?

Soulmaster speaks in third person a bit too much

I don't really know, since our issue with you is inactivity, what would clear you is, well, activity. You should read back and post thoughts and all, but a claim would not be bad as it is now (well, Mijz/Human will probably bug me for this). Roleclaiming is allowed in all games of course, and the best target is Elysion as she is the other mason. If she was not said mason, we would get counterclaims. Although a QT would make her a bit more trusted, me and Froakie find no problem with trusting her.

If Human is not scummy enough to warrant a vote, then who is? Except you, of course. Because just defending might not do much when we want to avoid no lynches, unless we make a case about some other player meanwhile...

 

[Beck]

Re: Collapse [Mature] - Chapter Five (D3): So Many Dead, One Soft in the Head (6/18/1

Soulmaster: 5 (Mijzelffan, Elysion, HumanDawn, FinalArcadia, Zexy)

The phase will end within the next two hours.

 

[Qing'e]

Re: Collapse [Mature] - Chapter Five (D3): So Many Dead, One Soft in the Head (6/18/1

@Zexy; Nah, Shiny Ditto admitted trying to check someone. (Unless that was an attempt at misdirection...) On further consideration, however, my reasoning can't explain why the Mafia didn't make a kill...

 

[Zexy]

Re: Collapse [Mature] - Chapter Five (D3): So Many Dead, One Soft in the Head (6/18/1

Trying to check does not exclude posting the nightkill, after all if a serial killer and a granny bodyguard bomb was all that triggered, there should have been a nightkill, so four deaths.

That's why I am saying that mafia killed Oswin, and Shiny Ditto checked player X that was protected by Forgotten. By the latter's role, Shiny Ditto and Forgotten should die.

 

[Qing'e]

Re: Collapse [Mature] - Chapter Five (D3): So Many Dead, One Soft in the Head (6/18/1

Whoever was protected, it seems clear that you have an important ability(from the FT which I'm not going out of my way to quote, and what Shiny Ditto said afterward), and you will be targeted again, so if you have any case to make, I suggest that you PM it to someone.

This still stands.

 

[Zexy]

Re: Collapse [Mature] - Chapter Five (D3): So Many Dead, One Soft in the Head (6/18/1

Yes, it is up to their decision to reveal it to those they trust.
We can't be sure that the person knows in the first place, Forgotten could have picked on his own accord, without telling anyone.

 

[Soulmaster]

Re: Collapse [Mature] - Chapter Five (D3): So Many Dead, One Soft in the Head (6/18/1

So Soulmaster checks thread and notices that he has several votes on him. Yes, Soulmaster admits he has been more inactive than normal, and apologies for it. Looking back Soulmaster should of respond to stuff others said, but Soulmaster wasn't thinking.

So, @Mijzelffan;. Your main argument is that Soulmaster lurks normally. Yes, he knows that he should not be quite as inactive, but he is a "watchful waiter" so what is the problem with that? It seems everytime you talk about Soulmaster, you bring up this bit of information.

So, Soulmaster asks you, what would clear him? Getting that out of the way would help. If roleclaiming is allowed(could not tell if it was or was not, Beck?) Soulmaster will, if it will clear him.

And the first couple votes are acceptable, but the last couple? Namely, Human's. Once you unvoted Froakie, Soulmaster was to be lynched. The vote wasn't overly unexpected, but still. As of now, unless Soulmaster missed some stuff, you, HD, are the scummy person in his books. Not overly, as in not quite enough to warrant a vote, but still.

Oh, when was Elysion cleared? Y'all seem to trust her, but when was she cleared?

Soulmaster speaks in third person a bit too much

I don't really know, since our issue with you is inactivity, what would clear you is, well, activity. You should read back and post thoughts and all, but a claim would not be bad as it is now (well, Mijz/Human will probably bug me for this). Roleclaiming is allowed in all games of course, and the best target is Elysion as she is the other mason. If she was not said mason, we would get counterclaims. Although a QT would make her a bit more trusted, me and Froakie find no problem with trusting her.

If Human is not scummy enough to warrant a vote, then who is? Except you, of course. Because just defending might not do much when we want to avoid no lynches, unless we make a case about some other player meanwhile...

Soulmaster knows he does, he cannot help it.

Oh, second mason. Sounds good to Soulmaster, he had forgotten that went by. If it will help clear Soulmaster, than Soulmaster will. Elysion? Do you agree with this? If so, than Soulmaster will PM you with it.

Really, Soulmaster can't quite think of anyone yet. As Soulmaster said before, wasn't quite enough to warrant a vote, but that was because Soulmaster wasn't sure if HD had been cleared or not. As the search feature is down, and Soulmaster is busy with other stuff, he didn't want to sift through the thread looking for HD's posts. If nothing has happened in that regard, than he is much scummier in Soulmaster's books.