jackatlasred
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She made it easy for me and Seppe to win the game, as she claimed she knew the cop in that game, you guys once again lynched her for claiming that.
She made it easy for me and Seppe to win the game, as she claimed she knew the cop in that game, you guys once again lynched her for claiming that.
She claimed she knew who the Cop nearing the end of the Day Phase, when she had plenty of votes on her already. I don't recall it ever being confirmed whether it was true or not, or just some guess, but that was a different case that I don't see what has to do with what she did here.
I could have sworn I said that, not jack.Zexy said:jackatlasred said:I approve. Will elaborate.
I think HD has adressed this. Because of Pikachu's pretty bad town play, we got this undesirable result. The fact that if Tyler is mafia, said result won't be as undesirable as we currently think it is doesn't make him mafia. We can't assume that because Pikachu was town, she knew that what she did will expose Tyler who is really the doctor. I think it's called wishful thinking.But let's say you're right, and Tyler is the doctor. What has that gained us? I mean, we lost Pikachu, and Tyler will have to waste his power protecting himself.
Not going to quote your entire post @HumanDawn; as i do see your point. However, I still believe revealing the power roles in the first round is a stupid thing to do, and that's why i doubt Tyler is what he says he is.
With regards to you saying you think he probably is, my point before is that you assumed Pikachu was mafia due to her behaviour and she turned out to be a townie.
*shrug* I don't know, maybe you're right and it's just my inexperience causing me to suspect Tyler. But let's say you're right, and Tyler is the doctor. What has that gained us? I mean, we lost Pikachu, and Tyler will have to waste his power protecting himself.
But i do have to wonder if the Pikachu thing was intentional. I mean, i did notice a couple of people arguing strongly that she was mafia. I have to wonder if those were genuine belief or mafia plot...
Assuming the cop trusts him, of course. This is pretty much the virtue of a confirmed townie. Any other confirmed townie would work similarly, the protection has to be wasted on them else they would get NK'd anyway.Yeah, we've unfortunately gained nothing, but say if TylerM is really the Doctor, and the Cop doesn't check them, they'll have a bit of a higher chance of finding Mafia in their check if they manage to live and not target the same player the Mafia picks to kill, at least.
Sure.There could definitely be scum in The_Pikachu wagon.
Melpomene said:Pikachu's post had come across as an obvious fish for claims to me, too, but... I have a really, really bad feeling about this all. Like--bad enough that I'd think it might be best that you unvote until she outs it, and I don't want to say anything in-thread for fear that it's, like, giving her the idea?
See, I was in the middle of writing a reply to the thread, and it suddenly hit me as I was writing it: she acts as if her innocence proves the doctor's innocence, but it makes no real sense for the doctor to claim to her, since there's no reason to trust her, right? So think about it this way: for some reason, to her, her innocence correlates to the doctor's innocence. However, there's no reason for someone to claim to her. But something that makes this all make sense is that she's the doctor herself and outed as a gambit-esque thing to fish for counterclaims in-thread. If that were true, the issues--how her post sounding like it was fishing, why she had a pre-formed resistance to outing the doctor's name, how she got the claim in the first place, why she thinks her innocence equals the doctor's innocence--with the situation seem to be cleared away, and so forth.
It's premature and paranoid to ask you to unvote, I understand, but I can't help this inkling of fear that this will turn into a bandwagon on her that's irreversible (as in, we won't have enough time to unvote/so many people vote that we can't match it or something along those lines). And her behavior does make sense with her being mafia, as well, but this idea that she's the doctor makes so much sense to me that I'm too worried to act until she ends up outing who the doctor is. (and, well, it's a bit risky to go PM you out of the blue like this in the case that you're mafia, but I just don't buy the arguments in-thread on you and I think you've proven yourself well enough that I'm mostly okay with telling you this)
I'm a little suspicious of TylerM's doctor claim. From my understanding, it would be a major benefit for the doctor to lay low, to do his work from the shadows. If the mafia took the doctor out, it'd give them an advantage (doctor can't protect someone if he's been killed), so drawing attention to himself as the doctor seems like a silly idea to me.
Vote: TylerM
Silly or not, you imply that he might be the doc, so why vote for him? Even if the doc doesn't play the way we would like him to, we can't lynch him!I'm a little suspicious of TylerM's doctor claim. From my understanding, it would be a major benefit for the doctor to lay low, to do his work from the shadows. If the mafia took the doctor out, it'd give them an advantage (doctor can't protect someone if he's been killed), so drawing attention to himself as the doctor seems like a silly idea to me.
Vote: TylerM
I don't think you read my post, which makes me a very sad Pooch. I'm saying that I believe TylerM is mafia and claimed to be the doctor so that we wouldn't suspect him. There are 11 townies... 2 power roles. The Mafia knows whos on their side, but not which of the townies holds the power roles. I would venture a guess that the doctor and cop are very valuable targets, which means that revealing themselves this early in the game is very dangerous, as it means the mafia would target them. On the other hand, the town needs the doctor and cop, so the town wouldn't target them on purpose, which means that the mafia pretending to be one of those two roles makes them safe from the town's attack, if the town believes them.
Is there a flaw in my logic?
The mafia knows who their team members are.
http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f362/playing-hosting-guides-121929/
Obviously they know if one of their own is pretending to be the power role.They are the agents of the seedy underworld. They’re a small group of players who know their teammates' identities and roles and must eliminate Townspeople from the game to win. Their main weakness is their limited numbers; their greatest strengths are having a team they can coordinate actions with and being able to kill at night.
Which is why the doctor coming out so early is, in my opinion, counter intuitive. (I hope thats spelled right) That's why i don't believe your claim.
That's possible. I just don't buy it.He did it to root out a mafioso. Pikachu's plan messed it up though. He can also protect himself. He can even get an alliance with the cop later on, if he gets trusted. It wasn't the best thing to do, but now it happened, and since the Pikachu case will be resolved soon, it might not be as bad as we think...
Exactly. I think the confusion is what Tyler was counting on, personally.The mafia knows who their team members are.
http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f362/playing-hosting-guides-121929/
Yeah, they should know, but I think Tyler's point was like how he thinks the Mafia wouldn't give up one of their own to have a 50/50 chance. I disagree though since I think it's worth the chance and the confusion.
I just see it as regular pikachu behavior (from what I've seen).
This is pretty much what i am trying to figure out, Is it regular pikachu behaviour and the voting against her is a bandwagon created by the mafia? Or is she mafia and using confusion to her advantage.
Why do you so firmly believe he really is the doctor?
I mean, with respect, you believed Pikachu was mafia and she wasn't. Don't you at least question your other assumptions?
What are you talking about? I've always said that I think he's likely the Doctor and how it makes sense to believe he likely is unless there are counterclaims. That was a reply to you of how you said that if you're wrong about TylerM and that he's actually the Doctor, then that means we've lost the Doctor, and I told you that if that were the case, then we haven't necessarily lost the Doctor because TylerM should be able to protect themselves.
I quoted that reply for convenience. I want to know why you believe he's the doctor... and don't just quote something I may have read earlier.
I still believe he's mafia and I've seen nothing to change that.
Not going to quote your entire post as i do see your point. However, I still believe revealing the power roles in the first round is a stupid thing to do, and that's why i doubt Tyler is what he says he is.
With regards to you saying you think he probably is, my point before is that you assumed Pikachu was mafia due to her behaviour and she turned out to be a townie.
*shrug* I don't know, maybe you're right and it's just my inexperience causing me to suspect Tyler. But let's say you're right, and Tyler is the doctor. What has that gained us? I mean, we lost Pikachu, and Tyler will have to waste his power protecting himself.
But i do have to wonder if the Pikachu thing was intentional. I mean, i did notice a couple of people arguing strongly that she was mafia. I have to wonder if those were genuine belief or mafia plot...
FINAL VOTE COUNT:
Flopjack I (The_Pikachu)
HumanDawn I (Sword Master)
HeroicPooch I (jackatlasred)
TylerM I (HeroicPooch)
The_Pikachu VII (CrackFox, HumanDawn, Seppe, Flopjack, Melpomene, TylerM, Zexy)
I think we all know better than to fall for those trick @TylerM; although this does make you suspicious (not that it matters to me as I already have another target.
We can't afford a mislynch, so care to explain why Flopjack is this vote-worthy? I haven't seen anyone else (bar dead Pikachu) pushing this.Now I have no doubts, my vote goes to Flopjack, but I would like to have some time to figure it out.
Pretty good point. I just have a little thing to add; I got cop vibes from his posting. By voting the unCCd doc he made himself look somewhat scummy, yet not extremely to the point of lynch-worthy. Besides, he bothered a bit too much to prove if the doc is who he says he is, which would make sense if he was the cop. The mafia could have also thought of this and try to kill him as a possible cop. This I could only say after his death of course, I wouldn’t say this for an alive player, even worse at night.tl;dr Mafia targeted Pooch because he thought I was scum and they want Town to lynch the Doctor.
It could have come at the point you said this, since you insist a bit too much already on lynching Flop.Oh and since my vote won't come for about 10-12 hours (cause sleep) I want flop to say a few words in defense, @Flopjack; just to be sure you Answer me tomorrow.