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Mafia One Piece: Alabasta Mafia - ENDGAME - Baroque Works Win!!!

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@AussieEevee; still not seeing how that proves alignment. You yourself pointed out the issue with what you said. Town or mafia could easily vote lovandra. Town would vote her for being scummy, and mafia either because they don't believe her or just k bus her and look town. Thus voting her means nothing since big alignments have plenty of reason to vote her.
 
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Flopunny said:
@AussieEevee; you definitely can. The way people talk, especially when under pressure, gives us a lot of information. Using meta isn't really helpful, since the two instances you mentioned were
1. Partially due to your claim, and before I was you I thought you were scum.
2. Jack. Jack often acts scummy as town, and I am yet to see his scum meta and whilst he is perpetually scummy he is also consistant so that argument is void. He probably does act different as mafia, we just haven't seen it yet.
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jack WAS scum in pokemon protagonist mafia, which I co-hosted.
he acted a bit differently there, but it was his first game.
 
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Midorikawa said:
@AussieEevee; still not seeing how that proves alignment. You yourself pointed out the issue with what you said. Town or mafia could easily vote lovandra. Town would vote her for being scummy, and mafia either because they don't believe her or just k bus her and look town. Thus voting her means nothing since big alignments have plenty of reason to vote her.
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I cannot confirm, but, I think Jack basically said, you are voting for the claimed Boroque Works member, so, you are probably part of the Straw Hats.

also, people should add me on Skype so that I can talk about the game with them.
 
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Midorikawa said:
@AussieEevee; still not seeing how that proves alignment. You yourself pointed out the issue with what you said. Town or mafia could easily vote lovandra. Town would vote her for being scummy, and mafia either because they don't believe her or just k bus her and look town. Thus voting her means nothing since big alignments have plenty of reason to vote her.
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I don't think Mafia have much reason to vote for Lov at the moment. Not when there are bigger fish to fry. (No offense Lovandra :p)

Unvote: MCH

I'm more concerned with Lovandra's role. If she's outted herself, then she has either made a fatal mistake... which I don't believe she would, based on her arguments on other topics in this thread.... Or she's trying to get you to target her.
 
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Skipping the Day 1 lynch is a really bad idea in my opinion too, but that was just jack's own line of thought and it's not really wrong per se. This game is very interesting in terms of its mechanics, so thinking outside the box (if that's the right way to put it) as far as what to do with the lynch just seems like what he was doing. It's a bad idea, and I definitely do not think we should do it, but it was still merely a suggestion and I feel like some reactions to it are a bit extreme.

Anyway, I have to completely agree with CrackFox on both her points. I hate to bring this up again (already done so in a different game), but it is kind of important to analyze words in a mafia game especially when that's pretty much nearly all we have to work with. Especially on Day 1, of all things. Actions speak louder than words, true, but words are so important in a mafia game considering slip-ups, etc.

VOTE: Poke Man.
 
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Pyanda said:
And so we blind lynch someone Day 1 to get some results, for example, a claimed Mafia.

Vote lovandra
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I'm not going to disagree with voting lovandra because at this point, she may well be a good lynch choice as much as anyone else. But I don't know how much we can all believe claims at this point in the game. There are plenty of ways to play mindgames in this sort of game, and she could just as well be a Straw Hat who doesn't want to get nightkilled.

What I mean is, personally I don't think we can put too much stock into alignment claims this early because we can just go in circles on what the motivation is behind them.

AussieEevee said:
Actions speak loud than words.

*shrug* I am not going to change how I talk based on my role PM. How I act? Certainly. How I talk? No.
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Posting in this game is an action, though. I don't want to speak for everyone, but when I say to analyze how someone talks in a mafia game, I don't mean the grammar or nitpicking in that sort of way; I mean more "what are the possible motivations in this post?," "does it sound like they know more than they should?," "are they sounding too cautious/forced?," etc.

AussieEevee said:
I don't think Mafia have much reason to vote for Lov at the moment. Not when there are bigger fish to fry. (No offense Lovandra :p)
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What exactly do you mean by this? Both town and mafia are equally clueless right now, so I'm not sure I understand.
 
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FinalArcadia said:
AussieEevee said:
I don't think Mafia have much reason to vote for Lov at the moment. Not when there are bigger fish to fry. (No offense Lovandra :p)
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What exactly do you mean by this? Both town and mafia are equally clueless right now, so I'm not sure I understand.
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I am pretty sure I have answered this already.

Because of Lovandra's public claim, the sides are a little less grey than they were Night 0.
 
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I have read the thread a bit, and I say I don't know who to vote for, but in the OP it said mafia and town are equal in numbers.
but for now I'll vote:jackatlasred
for immediately asking to skip the day 1 lynch but at the same time voting.
 
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UNVOTE: returnofmastercrazyhand

This conversation about finding the other alignment through their posts isn't engaging.

There is most likely a Mafia Cop, how else would they be able to confirm alignments?

Honestly I feel like lynching anyone over their alignment claim is a double edged sword. Town could be claiming Mafia to not get nightkilled, voting a Mafia claim can get you more likely Nightkilled if you're Town when you'd rather that nightkill be more likely put on another Mafia member, and a Mafia member claiming to be Town could just want to maybe look good.

The thing is it's very hard to approach this game no matter you're alignment, there's even no determined "optimal" play/s from playing through this kind of setup multiple times. What is true though, is that so early on I don't feel an emotional investment in trying to keep any of you alive, even if you might be of the same alignment as me, because it's kind of every human for themselves, unless somebody decide to start alliances as teams to try to make it out longer together, even though odds are that right now the chances that they are the same alignment as you are roughly the same.

VOTE: Poke Man

We're a different kind of man, thus naturally we are mortal enemies and there can only be one Man!
 
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HumanDawn said:
UNVOTE: returnofmastercrazyhand

This conversation about finding the other alignment through their posts isn't engaging.

There is most likely a Mafia Cop, how else would they be able to confirm alignments?

Honestly I feel like lynching anyone over their alignment claim is a double edged sword. Town could be claiming Mafia to not get nightkilled, voting a Mafia claim can get you more likely Nightkilled if you're Town when you'd rather that nightkill be more likely put on another Mafia member, and a Mafia member claiming to be Town could just want to maybe look good.

The thing is it's very hard to approach this game no matter you're alignment, there's even no determined "optimal" play/s from playing through this kind of setup multiple times. What is true though, is that so early on I don't feel an emotional investment in trying to keep any of you alive, even if you might be of the same alignment as me, because it's kind of every human for themselves, unless somebody decide to start alliances as teams to try to make it out longer together, even though odds are that right now the chances that they are the same alignment as you are roughly the same.

VOTE: Poke Man

We're a different kind of man, thus naturally we are mortal enemies and there can only be one Man!
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can I have a non-joke reason at this point?
 
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I think not... also no lynch would be best right now so...

unvote: whoever I voted for, vote: no lynch
 
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returnofmastercrazyhand said:
I have read the thread a bit, and I say I don't know who to vote for, but in the OP it said mafia and town are equal in numbers.
but for now I'll vote:jackatlasred
for immediately asking to skip the day 1 lynch but at the same time voting.
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Why is that scummy?

Pyanda said:
AussieEevee said:
Midorikawa said:
I don't think Mafia have much reason to vote for Lov at the moment. Not when there are bigger fish to fry. (No offense Lovandra :p)
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Please tell me more about the fishes, I want to know what Mafia is prioritizing at this moment.
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Um...Why does it say I said this?


Though speaking of which I would also like to know what @AussieEevee; meant by bigger fish. You still haven't properly answered this and you keep talking about lovandra coming out but not fully explaining it.

UNVOTE: lovandra
VOTE: AussieEevee

I don't like the dancing around the things you say.


Also can someone explain to me the reasons that Poke Man is being voted, outside of very rude behavior towards Jack.
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This ain't a standard game where we have people to waste ROMCH
 
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Midorikawa said:
Why is that scummy?

Pyanda said:
AussieEevee said:
Midorikawa said:
I don't think Mafia have much reason to vote for Lov at the moment. Not when there are bigger fish to fry. (No offense Lovandra :p)
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Please tell me more about the fishes, I want to know what Mafia is prioritizing at this moment.
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Um...Why does it say I said this?


Though speaking of which I would also like to know what @AussieEevee; meant by bigger fish. You still haven't properly answered this and you keep talking about lovandra coming out but not fully explaining it.

UNVOTE: lovandra
VOTE: AussieEevee

I don't like the dancing around the things you say.
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Really? Do I have to connect the dots?

1) Lovandra revealed herself as Mafia.
2) I said that mafia wouldn't vote for Lovandra
3) Someone said something I don't remember what that made me reply with that. The mafia have a lot of confirmed town targets to pick off now.

But whatever. Keep looking for hidden meanings behind my words where none exists.

Now, I need some time to catch up on what I missed while sleeping.
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returnofmastercrazyhand said:
@Midorikawa; that makes him scummy because jack ALWAYS pushes for a day 1 lynch of some sort.
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But in most games, town has a numbers advantage to begin with and thus can afford a mislynch so long as it brings info. Here, everyone is even + has no idea who is on their team, so to be fair to jack, I can kind of see where he's coming from, regardless of alignment. It's 50/50 odds that a lynch will be on someone on your own alignment, and I can see where it may be appealing to no lynch and risk not losing potentially two of your partners by next day phase. And this game is a weird case where that can apply to both factions equally. Or roughly anyway, since I guess the person with the nightkill obviously knows their own self and that betters the odds slightly, but still.

I don't personally agree with that, since 50/50 odds aren't that bad imo for trying to hit an opponent, but I don't see how it is necessarily suspicious even if it is outside his normal D1 behavior. Now, would I be distraught at him getting lynched? No, since hey, maybe it'll help me in the long run if he's on a certain team *wink*. But I think we're going to have to think about "scuminess" in a different way for this type of game.
 
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AussieEevee said:
1) Lovandra revealed herself as Mafia.
2) I said that mafia wouldn't vote for Lovandra
3) Someone said something I don't remember what that made me reply with that. The mafia have a lot of confirmed town targets to pick off now.

But whatever. Keep looking for hidden meanings behind my words where none exists.
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Many of us have already mentioned though that alignment claims pretty much mean nothing at this point since we can confirm or deny them. Regardless of what she really is, mafia could think she's really a Baroque Work, or they could think she's a Straw Hat trying to look like mafia in order to not be nightkilled. Her supposed claim doesn't confirm herself as mafia or anyone else as town. Nobody can trust what anyone else is at this point, there's just no reason to yet when everyone right now (barring the sole BW nightkiller) has likely the same goal in mind: don't be lynched, and don't get nightkilled.
 
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