Pokemon Stars Discussion Thread (Speculation)

[SUP3RN0VA]

Good thing that it wouldn't be on Switch in my opinion.


I never said that but it looks so obviously fake that is might as well fake. I don't use definitely in my posts. No you didn't, all you do is argue with me. Stars being on Switch sounds so fake that there is no point in believing in the rumor in my opinion.

Stars is definitely fake. For one, a gen 7 game that is put on a different handheld gave it away. Second, Stars makes no sense as a title since Sun is technically a star itself. Eclipse is most logical but then again so was Z and Grey so the title could be unexpected. The next gen 7 games are definitely on 3DS.

I'm sorry, what were you saying about never using the word definitely in your posts? Read the above quote.

And while it is likely fake, it doesn't look obviously fake. I have already mentioned several reasons as to why it is possible for the rumours to be true.

Also, we haven't had a third version since Generation IV, so why suddenly bring it back? Gamefreak have been doing things differently for years now, so it does make sense to bring back third versions if they plan on doing it much differently than before, such as putting the third version on a shiny new hybrid console.

 

[RileyXY1]

I don't buy Stars one bit. Other things that Eurogamer got right doesn't mean that this is.

 

[Uhane]

I saw all the Johto hints in DPPT and Hoenn hints in BW and XY, sometimes I got ridiculed or accused of stretching, but even I can't find many hints or references to Sinnoh in SM. There are tons of references to Kanto throughout the story and actually even Johto gets a fair few mentions from NPC's.

Also I agree with others that it's more than likely Sun/Moon has some influences from whatever Zygarde game was meant to be. Not just that Zygarde stone, as well as the moves, but also I see a lot of parallels between Bonnie in the XYZ anime and Lillie from SM. I think the Z game was scrapped and adapted into the XYZ anime instead and possibly some carried over into the SM story.

Spoiler: Who am I talking about, Bonnie or Lillie?

Young blond girl with no Pokemon of her own has a mysterious cute unknown Pokemon in her bag that she loves and cares for and gives a cute nickname, and travels around with the main character as the Pokemon wants to go to certain locations while an evil team that initially try and pass themselves off as good are tracking them down. In the end it's revealed that actually the mysterious Pokemon is a weaker stage of the legendary Pokemon they've been looking for all this time.

 

[RileyXY1]

People have found quite a few Sinnoh hints which I mentioned in the remake thread. At least Gen IV remakes are being foreshadowed in the game itself. Nothing points to Stars right now.

 

[SUP3RN0VA]

I don't buy Stars one bit. Other things that Eurogamer got right doesn't mean that this is.

It doesn't mean it is wrong either.

While unlikely, there is no reason it should be completely written off as fake. Why would Gamefreak suddenly go back to third versions, after ending them after Gen IV? They have been trying new things ever since, so it makes sense that if they are going back to old formulas, for them to do something new with it.

People have found quite a few Sinnoh hints which I mentioned in the remake thread. At least Gen IV remakes are being foreshadowed in the game itself. Nothing points to Stars right now.

What about the fact there are several plots of land throughout the islands that have plans for things to be built, but never were in Sun and Moon? Plus, there is the fossil restorative centre. although you can go there to turn fossils back into Pokémon, an entire park is supposed to be built there, that currently hasn't? Why have all that if there are no plans for it to be turned into anything, in SM or a possible third version?

Also, nothing really explains why Zygarde was in Alola, a third version could expand that.

 

[PurplePopplio]

I keep seeing people mention "evidence" towards Sinnoh remakes. But I don't see the evidence. It's really vague the "hints" that they post.

Stars being backed by three sources feel more credible to me. Hope Stars isn't a true third version and more of a sequel.

 

[RileyXY1]

Not all of them are credible though. There is as much for Stars as there is against it.

 

[SUP3RN0VA]

Not all of them are credible though. There is as much for Stars as there is against it.

Exactly, there is as much for it as against it. Precisely why I said nobody should be completely ruling it out.

 

[RileyXY1]

I haven't ruled it out just yet. I have ruled it out for the Switch and I would like it on the 3DS.

 

[Glaceon Mage]

Tbh, I haven't seen much specification in this thread about being against it as a Switch title beyond "It's on a different console and that's not been done!"

Which, aside from being an appeal to tradition, doesn't really hold a lot of water considering:
-Before Gen V, no other Generation was on the same console as the one prior. Gen V, therefore, did something that hadn't been done just by existing.
-During Gen V itself, the "Grey" version everyone expected didn't happen and we got sequels in the same gen instead. Which hadn't been done before either.
-Gen VI didn't even have a third Kalos game/second set of Kalos games.
Pokémon has been doing things differently than what's "traditional" with releases for a while, I don't see why having a system switch (no pun intended) mid gen is different from that.

The other main argument I'm seeing is "I don't want it to be on a new console" ...The validity of that should honestly speak for itself.

On the other hand, stuff for it:
-SM's engine is very taxing on the 3DS, much more and it might as well explode (not really, but you get the point). This is likely why Triples/Rotations and most 3D functionality are gone, the 3DS couldn't handle them with this engine.
-Nintendo wants the Switch to not be the Wii U. Stars, if it exists, is likely there to help push the new system's sales. More 3DS games draws attention from the shiny new thing Nintendo wants to market.
-Eurogamer and the recently blacklisted Dale are backing it up.

 

[RileyXY1]

@Arceus the Dragon has seen no problems with SM's engine. Also, both Level 2 and Capcom are continuing to support the 3DS, so why can't GameFreak? Here's something I've said loads of times, GameFreak does not rush to get onto new hardware! They wait until there is an established playerbase for the system and then they make games for it. This is one of the reasons why Gen V was for the DS instead of the 3DS.

 

[PurplePopplio]

@Arceus the Dragon has seen no problems with SM's engine. Also, both Level 2 and Capcom are continuing to support the 3DS, so why can't GameFreak? Here's something I've said loads of times, GameFreak does not rush to get onto new hardware! They wait until there is an established playerbase for the system and then they make games for it. This is one of the reasons why Gen V was for the DS instead of the 3DS.

Game Freak may not want to rush. But Nintendo would certainly want to. They already have Mario and Zelda for Switch. So why should Pokemon be left behind?

 

[Tuoko]

GameFreak does not rush to get onto new hardware! They wait until there is an established playerbase for the system and then they make games for it. This is one of the reasons why Gen V was for the DS instead of the 3DS.

And I doubt Nintendo will want Game Freak to make a third version for the 3DS.

If anything, Nintendo will want them to make it for the Switch instead.

Remember Pokemon Grey? Yeah, the reason we got the sequels instead of that is because of Nintendo.

 

[Keshav]

Nintendo owns some part of GF and Switch will decide Nintendo's fate in the hardware market. They would n definitely not miss the chance to release their one of the best IP within the first year of launch. If the Switch fails then Nintendo as a hardware company fails.
Also, 3ds has reached its max potential. Stars is real since it is the easiest thing they can do in less time. It's probably a port with added features.
Btw, the non believers are those who think they will be cheated if GF stops making games for their 3ds. It was the case with the ds, people had to move over to the 3ds to play pokemon. This time is no different.

 

[PurplePopplio]

Guess we are at the end of an era. 3DS gave us many memories...

Switch and Stars, here we come!

 

[RileyXY1]

And I doubt Nintendo will want Game Freak to make a third version for the 3DS.

If anything, Nintendo will want them to make it for the Switch instead.

Remember Pokemon Grey? Yeah, the reason we got the sequels instead of that is because of Nintendo.

Nintendo does not make Pokemon. They only publish it. GameFreak has shown us time and time again that they stick to a console with an established player base. If they jump straight to the Switch, it would get poor sales because most people can't afford it.

 

[Esserise]

If they jump straight to the Switch, it would get poor sales because most people can't afford it.

Hence, it makes some sense for their first game on the Switch to be merely an enhanced version of a game that they already got the big opening profits for.

 

[RileyXY1]

Hence, it makes some sense for their first game on the Switch to be merely an enhanced version of a game that they already got the big opening profits for.

Even that will get poor sales due to it being something that people have already played. This is why the third versions sell less than the main pair and one of the reasons why they stopped making them in 2012. Making it for a new console will make it even worse.

 

[Falconwing]

You know, I haven't really given my thoughts on this one yet.

We've been hearing for a while that a Pokemon game would be on the Switch at some point shortly after launch. A sequel/follow up/expansion on Sun and Moon for the Switch most likely would still sell the system, especially if released next Autumn before the holidays set in.

With that said I'm not sure entirely what Stars would be. We haven't had a proper third game in a mainline series since Generation IV. I think it's pretty clear that that tradition is over with. Perhaps it is just an HD update for consoles with some minor tweaks?

The thing we should remember is that if the Switch does well it is likely to replace the aging 3DS. I got into a discussion with a coworker on this recently but the N3DS is really just a DSi like upgrade to the system. It's not a new handheld device in the line of the GBA or DS by any means. If the Switch combines the handheld and console markets for Nintendo then we are going to be seeing all future Pokemon titles (for the forseeable future) on that console. And whether that title is Stars or not makes very little difference.

 

[Arceus the Dragon]

I'm sorry, what were you saying about never using the word definitely in your posts? Read the above quote.

And while it is likely fake, it doesn't look obviously fake. I have already mentioned several reasons as to why it is possible for the rumours to be true.

Also, we haven't had a third version since Generation IV, so why suddenly bring it back? Gamefreak have been doing things differently for years now, so it does make sense to bring back third versions if they plan on doing it much differently than before, such as putting the third version on a shiny new hybrid console.

No, those reasons are not good enough to consider Stars real. And GF wouldn't put it on a new handheld when they know perfectly well it would upset fans.