Do you think that there is too much Kanto nostalgia lately?

[PkmnTrainerV]

Newsflash: Many if not most of those kids' parents played the original games or at least watched the anime. They do care, especially thanks to Go making the franchise fun for them again.

Stop projecting your own experience from 10 years ago onto the present.


That's simple: Game Freak didn't feel like creating a new legendary trio after they'd introduced two of those in Generation V (and even given forms to the Kami trio and a fourth member to the Musketeers).

1. I'm not projecting my experience on anyone, becuase the point of thread is - Do you think there is Kanto Nostalgia lately? And I think the answer is yes, so I'm just backing up my arguments.
2. I'm not old enough to share 10 year old experiences.
3. If you want to get into the present, most parents now-a-days are working, and may give their children any (appropriate) game they wish.
4. People now a days don't have too much time to spend with their children. And I don't see them caring if their child plays XY, or RBY VC.
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[Silktree]

1. I'm not projecting my experience on anyone, becuase the point of thread is - Do you think there is Kanto Nostalgia lately? And I think the answer is yes, so I'm just backing up my arguments.

You are not really backing up your arguments by making generalizations.

2. I'm not old enough to share 10 year old experiences.

So not old enough to appreciate nostalgia, but not young enough to speak for kids.

3. If you want to get into the present, most parents now-a-days are working, and may give their children any (appropriate) game they wish.

The point is that those parents can encourage their kids to play Pokemon. You seem to think that it's a given that kids already like Pokemon, but it isn't.

4. People now a days don't have too much time to spend with their children.

I don't know if that's true or not in general, but if you have a problem with Game Freak wanting kids and parents to play Pokemon together, I feel sorry for you.

 

[Fig]

It seems to me you don't know much about being a parent (or an uncle/aunt). Giving gifts isn't just about giving the kid whatever they want ; it's about giving the kid something you think they'll like (which isn't the same), and - to a large degree - something you can share with them, something that will help you build your relationship with your son/daughter/nephew/niece.

So picking the game you recognize from when you were a kid, with the critter you recognize from when you were a kid (so you can point at them and say "Oh, that's Vulpix! But why is it white?" or similar is a much better gift than picking a game you don't know the least thing about. Plus, you know the game was fun from back when you were a kid, so you know they might enjoy it.

 

[Esserise]

This is a nitpick, but this is misuse of the word "literally" - the literal opposite of pandering would be to place content in a work specifically to upset or drive away a particular demographic.

I apologize for the colloquialism.

The only thing that seemed off to me was the bird trio being in Kalos

There's some implication that the Kanto birds migrate from region to region (which makes sense, considering that they're birds). In Platinum, they showed up in Sinnoh with similarly scarce context, and the Azure Bay is described on the Town Map as a place "where Pokémon from distant lands are said to visit," which does make it sound as though the ones that appeared in Kalos were not native to the area.

Mewtwo made sense

That's generous.

 

[Kisu]

I apologize for the colloquialism.



There's some implication that the Kanto birds migrate from region to region (which makes sense, considering that they're birds). In Platinum, they showed up in Sinnoh with similarly scarce context, and the Azure Bay is described on the Town Map as a place "where Pokémon from distant lands are said to visit," which does make it sound as though the ones that appeared in Kalos were not native to the area.



That's generous.

Well I mean he had to go somewhere,I never played platinum...

 

[Esserise]

Well I mean he had to go somewhere,I never played platinum...

Even if we assume that Mewtwo was caught and released by Red and/or Ethan/Lyra at some point, it didn't necessarily have to go running across the world to a meadow in Kalos. It could have just as easily retreated back into the Cerulean Cave, or anywhere else in Kanto or Johto, which would probably have been a significantly easier trip. And if it wasn't caught at any point, then... what? It got bored and left the Cerulean Cave?

(Actually, if we assume that Red/Ethan/Lyra caught it and released it, then what might it say about them that the place Mewtwo ended up was an area full of Pokémon that were mistreated and abused by their Trainers?)

At any rate, none of this makes sense of the fact that Mewtwo appears in XY with a Mega Stone, which is a natural formation from 3000 years ago (or, if we factor in ORAS's Cave of Origin event, about 10 years ago). Why should the energy from Xerneas/Yveltal or the energy in the Cave of Origin be able to suffuse a stone with power that resonates with a genetically-engineered creature?

I agree with Silktree's thinking that the birds were thrown in there to give Kalos some form of "lesser" Legendary trio, but at least they're somewhat contextualized by the Azure Bay's map description. Mewtwo in XY is pretty much there just to market its inexplicable Mega Evolutions...

 

[PurplePopplio]

What if the Mewtwo of Kalos is just the Mega-verse Mewtwo? So instead of Kanto, it resided in Kalos?

 

[Esserise]

What if the Mewtwo of Kalos is just the Mega-verse Mewtwo? So instead of Kanto, it resided in Kalos?

It's theoretically possible, but in the process of making such a change, you'd basically be eviscerating Mr. Fuji of his whole backstory.

 

[Ryoma Maser]

I don't really care about Kanto nostalgia. I first started in the Sinnoh region with Pokemon Diamond, so most of my favorite Pokemon usually reside from that region. With moreover others with Johto and Unova. Though I would sorta have to redo the list now, since I was finally able to be in all main regions regardless of the game. As well as having 802 Pokemon now, yeah....that...might....a reason.

What if the Mewtwo of Kalos is just the Mega-verse Mewtwo? So instead of Kanto, it resided in Kalos?

It's theoretically possible, but in the process of making such a change, you'd basically be eviscerating Mr. Fuji of his whole backstory.

To answer your question. I think in my opinion; both Red and Gold failed at catching Mewtwo in their respective adventures. With its residence disrupted twice, it travel far out of the Kanto region to somewhere it wouldn't be disturbed.

Or we can go by the Anime, and there is a SECOND MEWTWO!!

 

[Kisu]

Even if we assume that Mewtwo was caught and released by Red and/or Ethan/Lyra at some point, it didn't necessarily have to go running across the world to a meadow in Kalos. It could have just as easily retreated back into the Cerulean Cave, or anywhere else in Kanto or Johto, which would probably have been a significantly easier trip. And if it wasn't caught at any point, then... what? It got bored and left the Cerulean Cave?

(Actually, if we assume that Red/Ethan/Lyra caught it and released it, then what might it say about them that the place Mewtwo ended up was an area full of Pokémon that were mistreated and abused by their Trainers?)

At any rate, none of this makes sense of the fact that Mewtwo appears in XY with a Mega Stone, which is a natural formation from 3000 years ago (or, if we factor in ORAS's Cave of Origin event, about 10 years ago). Why should the energy from Xerneas/Yveltal or the energy in the Cave of Origin be able to suffuse a stone with power that resonates with a genetically-engineered creature?

I agree with Silktree's thinking that the birds were thrown in there to give Kalos some form of "lesser" Legendary trio, but at least they're somewhat contextualized by the Azure Bay's map description. Mewtwo in XY is pretty much there just to market its inexplicable Mega Evolutions...

If your using the games as canon then mewtwo being caught is really up to each individual player.
That being said I would assume after I failed to catch him or released him he went to kalos,and him taking care or mistreated Pokemon makes a lot of sense.

Now getting into the nonsense of mega stones and z crystals is a whole different story, you either either have to choose to ignore that their naturally accuring,or choose to just go with it.
I just choose to think of them as man made items so the idea of them don't bother me much..

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[PaulTheProtist]

It seems to me you don't know much about being a parent (or an uncle/aunt). Giving gifts isn't just about giving the kid whatever they want ; it's about giving the kid something you think they'll like (which isn't the same), and - to a large degree - something you can share with them, something that will help you build your relationship with your son/daughter/nephew/niece.

So picking the game you recognize from when you were a kid, with the critter you recognize from when you were a kid (so you can point at them and say "Oh, that's Vulpix! But why is it white?" or similar is a much better gift than picking a game you don't know the least thing about. Plus, you know the game was fun from back when you were a kid, so you know they might enjoy it.

Wouldn't name recognition alone be enough though? I don't see how putting in that Vulpix would make much of a difference- if they remember the game was good, then they'd buy it regardless of being able to recognize the specific Pokémon.

 

[Fig]

Not nearly as good for connecting, though.

If there are familiar pokemon in the game, I know I can just go at my niece when she's playing and share with her about the pokémon she and I both know and love. ("Oh, that's Vulpix! It's awesome. Do you like Ninetales, its evolution? That used to be my favorite!"). Whereas if that spot goes to a Gen III pokémon (and I'm someone who stopped playing after Gen I, maybe II), it's "Oh, that's Bagon? Uh. It looks interesting."

Parents, and uncles/aunts, don't just want to give their kids/nephews/nieces games that they remember, or game that will be fun. They want to build and strengthen connections and rapports with them ; to share things with them.

 

[Kisu]

Not nearly as good for connecting, though.

If there are familiar pokemon in the game, I know I can just go at my niece when she's playing and share with her about the pokémon she and I both know and love. ("Oh, that's Vulpix! It's awesome. Do you like Ninetales, its evolution? That used to be my favorite!"). Whereas if that spot goes to a Gen III pokémon (and I'm someone who stopped playing after Gen I, maybe II), it's "Oh, that's Bagon? Uh. It looks interesting."

Parents, and uncles/aunts, don't just want to give their kids/nephews/nieces games that they remember, or game that will be fun. They want to build and strengthen connections and rapports with them ; to share things with them.

I am not a parent but I agree with this alot,my wife has young nieces and nephews between the ages of 5-11,one niece loves wurple(for some reason) I was asking her with evolution of wurple she liked and she had no idea it evolved into a dustox or besutifly.

Because I had an knowledge of the game it created a dialogue between us and when I do have children I'd like that.

Not that I'd force my likes upon them but if they want a Pokemon game I'd give em Oras or we'd play versions of whatever the new pokemon game is together.

 

[Esserise]

and him taking care or mistreated Pokemon makes a lot of sense.

It'd make sense, but they give us no reason to think that's the case. Mewtwo in XY is tucked away in a yet another cave, which is in fact devoid of any other Pokémon. It wouldn't have been hard at all to include a line about a powerful Pokémon sometimes showing up to take care of the other Pokémon.

 

[Fig]

Yep. No kids of my own, but two nieces (2 and 5), and I am guiding them to things I think they might enjoy that I know I can share with them. MLP early on, then Pokémon (one niece has a Pikachu plushie, the other an eevee and piplup one). My other siblings are doing the same thing with Star Wars, etc. I'm planning to introduce them to Lego, and Lord of the Rings (and the actual Pokémon games), and things like that as they grow older.

 

[Kisu]

It'd make sense, but they give us no reason to think that's the case. Mewtwo in XY is tucked away in a yet another cave, which is in fact devoid of any other Pokémon. It wouldn't have been hard at all to include a line about a powerful Pokémon sometimes showing up to take care of the other Pokémon.

Yeah if your including the anime as Canon and not just game him being in Kalos makes sense cause he wouldve went somewhere after the movie,I haven't seen his XY appearance...

 

[Esserise]

Yeah if your including the anime as Canon

Just to be clear, I am not doing this.

 

[Kisu]

Just to be clear, I am not doing this.

When you said XY I assumed it was anime because I know I read that he was at that area in game to protect and take care of Pokemon,I thought I saw it in game but it might have been in a walkthrough book or something

 

[Esserise]

When you said XY I assumed it was anime because I know I read that he was at that area in game to protect and take care of Pokemon,I thought I saw it in game but it might have been in a walkthrough book or something

That's why Wulfric was there, but they never explain Mewtwo's presence in Kalos in the games.

 

[Almonds]

So nostalgia marketing works. Maybe giving old pokemon Alolan forms and putting in Pidgeys and Zubats were enough to make more people buy the games.

The question is: will those people stay for the next games? Will those people continue to buy pokemon games, Kanto stuff or not? Will they appreciate that there's so much more to pokemon than just the original region and the 151?

Or will Kanto-marketing have to continue on forever just to make nostalgia for potential consumers who's more likely to be one-time guests? Every single time a game comes out?