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Mafia Artemis Fowl Mafia ~ Endgame - (Time Ends) ~ MAFIA AND SURVIVOR WIN

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I'm not convinced Max is scum either but he certainly isn't helping himself so far. Though I wonder if he really is scum since no one is running to jump on him (i.e. the scum who might try to see an easy lynch and vote for him). Kind of a bit convoluted but not sure if there is anyone else I can vote for right now.
 
Can you elaborate a bit more on this? i don't disagree, but I want to hear your thoughts.
I just believe that Max needs to come out and explain his actions since they seem distrustful. I feel like he is just trying to find anyone to accuse without much evidence, meaning he could either be mafia trying to put the blame on someone else or a very jumpy town member. However I believe that he is leaning more to the former.
Max makes big decisions like voting for Zexy with barely any evidence, and as soon as his argument is countered, he responds like this.
Yeah...I feel like an idiot. I feel like I'm going to get lynched this phase.

I'm honestly not sure anymore.
His responses just seem so unsure and supsicious to me.
Any comments on that?
 
I just believe that Max needs to come out and explain his actions since they seem distrustful. I feel like he is just trying to find anyone to accuse without much evidence, meaning he could either be mafia trying to put the blame on someone else or a very jumpy town member. However I believe that he is leaning more to the former.
Max makes big decisions like voting for Zexy with barely any evidence, and as soon as his argument is countered, he responds like this.



His responses just seem so unsure and supsicious to me.
Any comments on that?
I actually am the latter.
 
I'm not convinced Max is scum either but he certainly isn't helping himself so far. Though I wonder if he really is scum since no one is running to jump on him (i.e. the scum who might try to see an easy lynch and vote for him). Kind of a bit convoluted but not sure if there is anyone else I can vote for right now.
I have to admit that being a bit jumpy and flip-flopping is consistent with how Max tends to play, but this is somewhat excessive even for him.
I actually am the latter.
I've gotta agree with swarla Max, you get called out and this is your only response?
I don't want to claim, because it wouldn't end well for Town if I do.
Honestly, at this point it's not gonna end well for you if you don't. I know that there are legitimately good reasons to avoid a claim, but unless some other info comes to light you're probably our best bet today.
 
...Very well. If there's no avoiding it, I am the Bodyguard.
Bodyguard? I don't believe I'm familiar with this role. Is it a variant on doctor? Is there anything you can do that's different from your standard doc?
 
Max if what you claim is true, then you are definitely town but somehow it still doesn't explain your previous posts.

@Lone_Garurumon should we give him the benefit of doubt? Does such a character exist in the series?
I think we should give him the benefit of doubt. What he's saying here lines up perfectly with Butler. Artemis' bodyguard.

Unfortunately this means that we'll need someone else to lynch today. And since I should probably be sleeping soon I won't be able to be to r involved. I may be up right near the end of the phase but that's about it.

At the moment no-one else is looking particularly scummy at the moment. Only thing I've really got right now is we'd out those who may be hiding behind inactivity.
@Yours Truly, you've been the least active so far, anything to say?
 
So instead you decided to random vote me rather than looking potential players in connection of your 1.0 NK? Seriously? And the fact of the timing of the vote given that the phase has halfway ended is really strange.

Vote: WolfOwl
I love how both you and Zexy are on my case instead of doing anything yourselves. And I don't have a choice but to do anything in mid phase because I subbed in midphase. D1 was mostly inactive save for me and Darth. D2 has been mostly inactive save for Max and Zexy. And max doesn't strike me as scum action wise because unlike most of the thread he tried something. And now you're voting me for voting you? Honestly your response makes me feel you as more likely scum.

Also I get nightkilled just for being me so I can't go looking into the details. It's no different than Zexy getting nightkilled.
I have to admit that being a bit jumpy and flip-flopping is consistent with how Max tends to play, but this is somewhat excessive even for him.

I've gotta agree with swarla Max, you get called out and this is your only response?

Honestly, at this point it's not gonna end well for you if you don't. I know that there are legitimately good reasons to avoid a claim, but unless some other info comes to light you're probably our best bet today.

This is straight up threatening. Max actually tried to build a case. There was nothing in the case that set up for an easy lynch. It was just an attempt to do something and that looked way more town than anyone else's actions.

Also people stop expecting super long responses. As long as your response is clear and to the point, it's a response. We don't all need to do Zexy posts.sometimes feelings can be summed up in a few short sentences.

Swarla, LG, and piko just became my top suspects.
 
Well right now I don't really trust DarthWolf13 because of his claim for independent survivior. By the way, does anyone know a character in the series that could possibly be independent? I don't know the series, but if there isn't a possible character to have the role, DarthWolf13 is really fishy.
I wouldn't worry too much about it. Independent claims always stand out, we now know that DarthWolf13 isn't town. We can always revisit it later, but thinking too much about it now isn't going to help, even if he is scum; we won't really be lynching him today so we'd rather focus on other people.

@Lone_Garurumon is the one who knows characters in the series. Thing is though, Survivor is so simple almost any theme I can think of might fit one in somehow. Another good thing for Darth is how we know that he plays independent roles somewhat like he does here, too.
So instead you decided to random vote me rather than looking potential players in connection of your 1.0 NK? Seriously? And the fact of the timing of the vote given that the phase has halfway ended is really strange.

Vote: WolfOwl
While I agree with the logic I don't think it is enough for a vote on her right away; she hasn't even said much, this reads more like an OMGUS than a legit case.
Can you elaborate a bit more on this? i don't disagree, but I want to hear your thoughts.
Any chance you could say a bit more yourself, actually
I'm not convinced Max is scum either but he certainly isn't helping himself so far. Though I wonder if he really is scum since no one is running to jump on him (i.e. the scum who might try to see an easy lynch and vote for him). Kind of a bit convoluted but not sure if there is anyone else I can vote for right now.
Scum don't always jump on easy lynches, especially in this somewhat quiet game I feel like doing so too much would be too obvious. I'd like to hear more from you too, I feel like you're not saying much here, just somewhat restating what others did.
I have to admit that being a bit jumpy and flip-flopping is consistent with how Max tends to play, but this is somewhat excessive even for him.

I've gotta agree with swarla Max, you get called out and this is your only response?

Honestly, at this point it's not gonna end well for you if you don't. I know that there are legitimately good reasons to avoid a claim, but unless some other info comes to light you're probably our best bet today.
Yeah he was actually suspected for a good chunk of Sun/Moon Mafia because of that.

swarla also asked about which characters could be Survivor, thoughts on that?

... wait. No. Not a fan of this. Did you really ask for a claim on Max after just two votes. That was a bit quick and doing so without voting him makes you look scummier.
...Very well. If there's no avoiding it, I am the Bodyguard.

View: https://soundcloud.com/daletterel/i-try-a-macy-gray-inspired-cover

OK, this couldn't be more fitting. One of the best moments of last mafia championship, and the coolest way to claim Bodyguard ever :p
So you protect someone, but you die instead? Yeah, that definitely sounds like Butler. @swarla if Max is telling the truth there's literally no way he could be scum.
Do you still die if your target doesn't get hit?
"If Max is telling the truth there's no way he could be scum", while true, is one of the most pointless things to say.
Max if what you claim is true, then you are definitely town but somehow it still doesn't explain your previous posts.

@Lone_Garurumon should we give him the benefit of doubt? Does such a character exist in the series?
Claims don't always explain previous scummy behaviour, but they are still more valid than reads so we just need to think less about reads and more about concrete info. Town can make scummy posts more easily than scum can claim towny roles and get away with it, after all. So yes we're giving him the benefit of the doubt.
Unfortunately this means that we'll need someone else to lynch today. And since I should probably be sleeping soon I won't be able to be to r involved. I may be up right near the end of the phase but that's about it.

At the moment no-one else is looking particularly scummy at the moment. Only thing I've really got right now is we'd out those who may be hiding behind inactivity.
@Yours Truly, you've been the least active so far, anything to say?
This sounds very scummy. It's easy to say that we just need to lynch someone else but be passive about it until the end of the phase. And while I understand that you may indeed have to go sleep, it also is too good of an excuse.

Add to that the other classic scum lines "no one is looking scummy at the moment" and "let's go after the inactives" and you're my top suspect at the moment.
I love how both you and Zexy are on my case instead of doing anything yourselves. And I don't have a choice but to do anything in mid phase because I subbed in midphase. D1 was mostly inactive save for me and Darth. D2 has been mostly inactive save for Max and Zexy. And max doesn't strike me as scum action wise because unlike most of the thread he tried something. And now you're voting me for voting you? Honestly your response makes me feel you as more likely scum.

Also I get nightkilled just for being me so I can't go looking into the details. It's no different than Zexy getting nightkilled.


This is straight up threatening. Max actually tried to build a case. There was nothing in the case that set up for an easy lynch. It was just an attempt to do something and that looked way more town than anyone else's actions.

Also people stop expecting super long responses. As long as your response is clear and to the point, it's a response. We don't all need to do Zexy posts.sometimes feelings can be summed up in a few short sentences.

Swarla, LG, and piko just became my top suspects.
I wasn't on your case, just asked one thing about your first post after coming back because it was strange. And while I still don't like that you haven't done anything scummy since.

Yay, power players of the game unite!

Can't agree more on LG

... even though I'm the guy who posts the super long responses, I'll agree with fellow power player of the game here :) Also "Zexy posts" has become a thing now? Heh.

I think LG is the scummiest, Piko next. Nothing too bad about swarla though, I think it's just being new to the game.

VOTE: Lone_Garurumon

TL;DR his last two posts included threatening Max for a claim without voting him when he was only at 2 votes, which actually pushed Max into claiming Bodyguard. After that he stopped and said 4 pretty scummy lines (unfortunately we have to lynch someone else, can't think of any particular scum, gotta go until the end of the phase, let's push the inactives). I'd rather vote him now than later and see how he reacts whenever he comes back, late in the phase as he said.
 
Max actually only had one vote when LG pushed for a claim. ONE, not two as I thought.

@Max1996 just a tip but please don't be this quick to claim in the future, no need to get desperate.
Although this kind of behaviour is very towny from you so at least it helps me trust you a lot.
 
Max actually only had one vote when LG pushed for a claim. ONE, not two as I thought.

@Max1996 just a tip but please don't be this quick to claim in the future, no need to get desperate.
Although this kind of behaviour is very towny from you so at least it helps me trust you a lot.
My role in this game is rather important. That's why I definitely don't want to get mislynched.
 
My role in this game is rather important. That's why I definitely don't want to get mislynched.
While it is important, what it does is having you killed instead of someone else; that's not TOO strong imho.
In any case, my point is that only one vote on you and one more person threatening you isn't real danger.
 
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