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Mafia Pokémon Sun & Moon Postgame Mafia - Endgame: Sunset - 6/6/2017

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Alright, caught up. I figure it's easier to just summarize my thoughts with a reads list.

Skullcrow/HumanDawn: HD didn't like the D1 wagon on Max and was suspicion of Derp's softclaim but joined the Eresh wagon instead of pursuing Derp. He might have voted for Eresh to avoid the Max lynch, which could be town mislynching town for another town or scumbuddies protecting each other, depending on Max's alignment. After D1, goes virtually inactive until the skullcrow sub in. Appears way too content with lynching swarla and waiting for something to happen without pushing for more himself. Overall this slot's interactions with Max are intriguing because of similar voting patterns and HD siding with Max while Skullcrow appears to be distancing himself from Max. I think this interaction feels too genuine to be forced so I'm inclined to think Skullcrow and Max are of different alignment, with a town lean on Skullcrow.
Doctor Floptopus: Voted for Derp in the Derp-Max-Eresh softclaim interaction fiasco along with Mido. Tried to give Eresh a chance at a defense while threatening to vote against them if they didn't, which she never did in the end, even with a brief phase extension. Although I think that's a bit suspicious, it ultimately didn't matter as Eresh's lynch seemed inevitable at that point. Her posts, though few in number, have been in an attempt to contribute for the most part. Town read.
AussieEevee: Started the wagon on Pariah over a policy lynch that I didn't agree with. Half of his posts seem like filler in an attempt to contribute without actually contributing. It's also suspicious that he was on both of the town lynch wagons but not the scum lynch one. I don't like that he keeps calling out inactives, but in a game this barren with activity it's more understandable and at least he gives them a chance to defend themselves first. Scum lean.
swarla: Highly inactive, but hasn't done anything scummy so I don't see a point in pursuing this when we have other options to work with. I don't like policy lynches. I'm fine with calling them out, but we should not simply settle for a swarla lynch this phase and keep trying to scumhunt with what we have. Not enough info for a real read.
Elementar: Hasn't said much lately but his posts have generally felt townie. It's a similar situation with the skullcrow slot, in that he voted Eresh to protect Max, but in this case Max hasn't had the same level of interaction with Elementar. One thing that did ping me was trying to get a last minute vote on Strike, since he was most likely going to be lynched regardless, so Elementar might have wanted to jump on the Strike wagon to look more townie. It's a stretch though so I'm going with a town lean on this one.
Lone_Garurumon: Makes good posts that look to inquire and generate discussion. Behavior and reactions look genuine and reasonable. I personally don't agree with their lynching inactives policy or how they pushed Derp to claim, but that isn't necessarily alignment indicative for me. Town read.
DarthWolf13: Although he's wishy-washy with his reads at times, he generally looks to be trying to scumhunt. Pushed for Strike towards the end of the phase which caused the wagon to shift from swarla to Strike. Given Strike flipped scum, this makes Darth look very townie. On a side note, the Strike lynch suggests swarla is town because there's no reason for scum to let the wagon shift to another scum given swarla was the more inactive of the two and was going to be lynched. It actually makes those who pushed for swarla seem suspicious. Anyway, town read on Darth.
Max1996: Mixed feelings on this one. I thought his behavior and interactions early in the game were scummy, but now he seems to be contributing more and, although rather abruptly, changed his mind to help lynch Strike. At the same time, a lot of his votes feel sheeped and he was at the forefront of both mislynches. The shot on Derp was also reckless and unnecessary. Like I mentioned above, I feel that based on his interactions with the HD/skullcrow slot the two are of different alignment. Slight scum lean.
Pika_pika42: Basically AE but worse. Shows up a lot but barely adds anything substantial to the discussion unless prompted. Claims that inactive members should not be lynched but is okay with a swarla lynch, despite acknowledging that they haven't done anything scummy besides the inactivity. Reserved in sharing their thoughts and hasn't even voted once yet in the entire game iirc which is annoying because it's harder to cross-reference them for consistency. This feels like scum trying to lay low without being inactive or contributing to scumhunting.

Vote: Pika_pika42 for reasons stated above
 
You're raising a very good point here.
Vote: swarla

@swarla please show up and contribute to the game. You've been practically silent the whole game, and your last post was pretty much nothing but "I'm here, pls no lynch." Please give us more contribution to the game.
This goes for all other inactives too, @Slife @Elementar @Skullcrow (I know it's not technically you but your slot has still been quiet) @Pika_pika42 please come and say something.

I admit to it. I am a 1x Vig. I shot Derpghost, to test whether or not he was invulnerable up to Night 5, as he claimed to be.
Okay I have been inactive, but there's really not much to go off of or say is there? The only reason why there is conversation now is because you're all pinning your suspicions on me. There's no actual contribution at this point from anyone, you're all just sheeping your suspsicions. There's not much else I can say except I find it interesting the amount of vigs that are in this game. With one vig already dead, Max's vig claim, another vig that has claimed to me as well as the fact that I myself am a vig, there is a suspiciously large amount of vigs in this game.
 
Okay I have been inactive, but there's really not much to go off of or say is there? The only reason why there is conversation now is because you're all pinning your suspicions on me. There's no actual contribution at this point from anyone, you're all just sheeping your suspsicions. There's not much else I can say except I find it interesting the amount of vigs that are in this game. With one vig already dead, Max's vig claim, another vig that has claimed to me as well as the fact that I myself am a vig, there is a suspiciously large amount of vigs in this game.

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4 vigs?

Is there even mafia in this game? Holy cow.

Have you targetted anyone yet? What about this other person that claimed to you? May you please ask them if it's okay if they reveal themselves?

Anyone got any ideas about why there are so many vigs? I presume there's heavy protection to cater for it.
 
Is there even mafia in this game? Holy cow.

Tbh, I don't know why I said this. Please disregard it xD

In all seriousness, surely someone is lying... I mean, 4 vigs... Unless they're all 1 x shot and have some other features that make them less powerful, it's unlikely they're all telling the truth. Does anyone know who we should focus on?
 
Pika_pika42: Basically AE but worse. Shows up a lot but barely adds anything substantial to the discussion unless prompted. Claims that inactive members should not be lynched but is okay with a swarla lynch, despite acknowledging that they haven't done anything scummy besides the inactivity. Reserved in sharing their thoughts and hasn't even voted once yet in the entire game iirc which is annoying because it's harder to cross-reference them for consistency. This feels like scum trying to lay l or contributing to scumhunting.

I agree I have been really bad this game. I have not been able to generate reads and I haven't even voted much.
I don't even have a defense other than claiming my role.
 
Okay I have been inactive, but there's really not much to go off of or say is there? The only reason why there is conversation now is because you're all pinning your suspicions on me. There's no actual contribution at this point from anyone, you're all just sheeping your suspsicions. There's not much else I can say except I find it interesting the amount of vigs that are in this game. With one vig already dead, Max's vig claim, another vig that has claimed to me as well as the fact that I myself am a vig, there is a suspiciously large amount of vigs in this game.
Did you or the vig who claimed to you shoot Midorikawa?
 
Wouldn't that mean there'd have to be a Buzzwole/Phermosa Killer, a Xurkitree Killer and a Celesteela/Kartana Killer as well?
Depends on the number of UBs we're actually dealing with here, but it's not impossible. There's 4 Tapu, Silvally could get one, and... I dunno, maybe something else? It was just a thought OK?
 
@Lone_Garurumon the reason there was a Guzzlord killer was explained in Skull's pm. To counter his bulk. Celesteela seems to be the only other bulky UB of the group. I don't think there is one for every UB in the game. 5 UB's in the game does seem a bit much, but it's the most logical to put all of them in there (Counting the Sun/Moon exclusives as one since they have the same UB number).
 
On that note, when I thought about it, the NK on Midorikawa seems more likely to have been a lucky Vig killing scum with a shot than the Nihilego Killer successfully hitting Nihilego with just one shot.
 
Skullcrow - Inactive slot. I'll wait for Rabbit to post more before deciding.
Doctor Floptopus - Scrub Queen, scumlord supreme. Lynch immediately.
AussieEevee - Did the same thing Derp did in accusing max of scummy behaviour before Derp actually softclaimed then used that against him despite Max saying before the softclaim that he wasn't actually asking derp to claim. Hasn't really contributed.
Elementar - seems pretty town.
Lone_Garurumon - seems to be actively scumhunting. Claimed the vig kill, which seems fairly reasonable as scum would have no reason to do so and expose themselves. Their reasoning for the kill also seems pretty solid, I'll admit I was pretty suspicious of derp.
swarla - who now? Inactive as hell. Claims to be vig and have a vig claim, not sure what to make of this. If said vig claimed the midori kill, might it be better to out to a few trusted town members? Why claim to an inactive?
DarthWolf13 - solid town read.
Max1996 - solid town read.
Pika_pika42 - No contribution at all.
Slife - fairly inactive, but pretty solid posts.
Vote: Pikapika
No defence, no good posts.
 
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