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Mafia Normal Mafia: Game Over, Town wins!

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Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere's Elie!

MegaPod said:
Vote: Midorikawa for not confirming yet
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Hmm.

Pika_pika42 said:
That's scummy.

Vote: Megapod
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Fair point. I'd side with this if I was posting at this particular time, actually. Just to see what happens of course. I like the way this kid thinks.

Pika_pika42 said:
Good Elieson's just a sub. He would have spanked our asses for so much joking around. :p
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You're damn right I would, though actually, games like this, I'd actually suggest that everyone jokes around. With a hunch on the structure of the game, it's good to have a vocal audience.

Pika_pika42 said:
I am not a fan of Zachie's posts here. He is trying to use the newbie card which has already expired a few games back. Also, I don't like the shade he puts on me in respect to me covering for Pod.
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Zachie said:
Please explain how the first one in any way gives you the feeling of me playing a newbie card.. not a lot of BG games are small. You're reaching. I understand where you're coming from on the second post, so I'll let that one slide but you're still wrong.



Firstly, pick a side Pika. You contradict yourself a couple times in this post. First one I noticed was you call me out on using the newbie card & then you baby me by providing me two simple questions to answer. Next off, you call me out for answering Darth & potentially generate discussion with my jabs at people but celebrate Darth for it. You also mention that you voted MegaPod bc a Jester didn't seem likely, but said two posts later that you were joking around with him. Which one is it?

You ask me for some "content," but is my last post not just that? I made some conclusions & accusations and then waited to see the effect that they would have on the other people in the game. It's a small game, so we need all the help and information we can get.

To answer your questions, I would like to (and will be) voting for you. My reasoning is that you're not making a lot of sense & you look to be trying to push against me very quickly and with choppy reasoning, with my "newbie card" use being your most prominent point, not to mention the points that I raised above. This looks like an OMGUS, but I promise you it isn't and I'm sure I'm not the only person who sees him as at least a little bit suspicious.

VOTE: Pika_pika42
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We get it. Pika called you a noob, and you're isolating each and every statement made against you and carefully countering them all. Why are you hyperanalyzing everything here, with a defense?

Midorikawa said:
Yet it's still content and you choose to vote him over those providing no content. That strikes me as strange, and hypocritical. And I don't like the newbie card either. It was nonexistent and seemed a bit desperate.

Vote: pika pika
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Hmm


Midorikawa said:
Where do Zachie use the newbie card?
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Maybe right here?

Zachie said:
I gather there isn't a jokevote stage in smaller games?
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Zachie's #32 to your #36. Pika wasn't wrong, and this wasn't hard to spot.

Zachie said:
I.. disagree. You definitely seem to be pushing people towards me.
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Again.

I wanna see where this goes. Zachie's a little too defensive for my tastes

[##Vote: Zachie

Also

##F.O.S. Midorikawa]

Not sure where Darth is going on the MegaPod case but I don't think it's a bad case.
 
I was just answering the things that Pika was saying to me, quite similarly to what he was doing to me. If that's an issue then you should also lynch every active person in every other mafia game ever. Call it defensive if you want, I call your tentative vote against me scummy.

Also, I didn't realise there was also something wrong with asking a simple yes/no question about joke voting? Who's overanalysing now?

MegaPod is much more scummy looking than I am at this stage, at least I outlined my reasons for voting against Pika, but he just sheeped.
 
Zachie said:
I was just answering the things that Pika was saying to me, quite similarly to what he was doing to me. If that's an issue then you should also lynch every active person in every other mafia game ever. Call it defensive if you want, I call your tentative vote against me scummy.
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Dude

Every ounce of content in your posts following Pika_pika's accusations against you have been "You said I'm scummy for a bunch of reasons, including A, B and C. Well, I say you're scum, because I did A because of this, B because of this and C because of this. You're just throwing shade on me". Just because you "know" you're town doesn't mean that people who point their finger at you are scum, because nobody knows anyone else's alignment.

Before that was your #34, which was

The fact that MegaPod started off with a joke vote isn't inherantly bad, considering I usually do it every game XD but the fact that he followed it up straight after Mido posted is a bit odd.. Could very well be a Jester as Pika said, not sure right now. Something to keep an eye on. Pika could also be covering for him by suggesting he's just a Jester.

Cheff on the other hand probably should have voted if he was going to make a vote like that. If it's a joke vote situation it should be followed up with a vote. I could be looking too far into this but I don't really like it.
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Which is not a scumread because you flat out said that what he did is ok but also not ok, directly conflicting with your very own

Zachie said:
MegaPod is much more scummy looking than I am at this stage, at least I outlined my reasons for voting against Pika, but he just sheeped.
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Which plainly calls the guy scummy, with exactly 0 reasons.

Let me put it simple; you're calling a guy that you called not really all that scummy, much more scummy than you.

That's it. That's all you've done since you called Pika out in the first place is defend defend defend. This is classic panicking scum behavior. There's 7 players in the game sans you. You've focused so much attention in one spot (self-defense and pointing your finger at the accuser) that it's not just suspicious; it's incredibly suspicious.
 
Elieson said:
This is classic panicking scum behavior. There's 7 players in the game sans you. You've focused so much attention in one spot (self-defense and pointing your finger at the accuser) that it's not just suspicious; it's incredibly suspicious.
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Yes, panicky scum behaviour after 1 person pointed at me unconvincingly. But w/e, I'm a townie, and you'd be wasting another day by lynching me. You do you.

Also, you pointed out twice in your post that you find MegaPod off. Now you're seemingly ignoring your own words to push onto me. Seems a bit strange? :/ also you say 0 reasons but if it was me who voted like Pod did eyes would be on me, and I'm sure you'd never do the same thing yourself.

Also also, when you say #34, I assume you mean post 34?

Elieson said:
Which is not a scumread because you flat out said that what he did is ok but also not ok, directly conflicting with your very own
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Pls re-read, I said it was okay but then continued to say what he did next was very odd. Don't twist what I say to suit your story.
 
Hiya there. Now that my faaavorite player is in the game, I actually have an opinion to share!

Yeah, I admit it. I bandwagoned bad. I thought the case on Pika was decent and didn't have a better one. But now I see a better one.

Elieson said:
Which plainly calls the guy scummy, with exactly 0 reasons.
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Actually, Zachie explains perfectly why he would want to lynch me. Because I sheeped. Baaa. I would expect a power player such as Elieson to catch this...

Elieson said:
Not sure where Darth is going on the MegaPod case but I don't think it's a bad case.
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...and not use reasoning like this.

My two cents.
 
Zachie said:
Pls re-read, I said it was okay but then continued to say what he did next was very odd. Don't twist what I say to suit your story.
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I don't even have to twist anything, your own words were twisted once you posted them. Why would you say it's ok, only to turn around and then say it's not ok? There's no reason to himm and haww over it. Where's DarthWolf with his Waffles when you need a visual?

Zachie said:
Yes, panicky scum behaviour after 1 person pointed at me unconvincingly. But w/e, I'm a townie, and you'd be wasting another day by lynching me. You do you.
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I'll do what I want and that includes finding scum. There's a reason why even as a sub, my presence was feared :)

Zachie said:
Also, you pointed out twice in your post that you find MegaPod off. Now you're seemingly ignoring your own words to push onto me. Seems a bit strange?
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You pointed out in your posts that megapod is ok and also not ok at the same time. You didn't commit to a damn thing until you said:

Zachie said:
MegaPod is much more scummy looking than I am at this stage, at least I outlined my reasons for voting against Pika, but he just sheeped.
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which came literally out of nowhere because I called you out.

Also, does "hmm" mean that I find someone off, thus scummy? Show me that definition in the dictionary of hmm and how it related to me finding someone off, and I'll buy you an ice cream sundae, on a saturday!

I said:

Elieson said:
Hmm.
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and

Elieson said:
Not sure where Darth is going on the MegaPod case but I don't think it's a bad case.
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All hinting at MegaPod being a possible third scumread from my point of view. If you want details, it's all situational and not a point worth discussing until at least D2.

:/ also you say 0 reasons but if it was me who voted like Pod did eyes would be on me, and I'm sure you'd never do the same thing yourself.
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No, I wouldn't. I would never simply vote for a person that I defended, unless I later had a reason to dismiss my defense or go on the offensive against them.

Going by all this, you're torn between voting for me and MegaPod tomorrow then, right?



MegaPod said:
Hiya there. Now that my faaavorite player is in the game, I actually have an opinion to share!

Yeah, I admit it. I bandwagoned bad. I thought the case on Pika was decent and didn't have a better one. But now I see a better one.


Actually, Zachie explains perfectly why he would want to lynch me. Because I sheeped. Baaa. I would expect a power player such as Elieson to catch this...


...and not use reasoning like this.

My two cents.
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There's exactly one situation in which I would think you're scum, pal, and that situation hasn't came up yet. I think you're playing very lazily this game. Your sheep vote came across as very natural, and right now, I don't think you're scum. Why is Pod's sheeping scummy vs something that you just dislike, Zachie?
 
Elieson said:
Why is <Player> sheeping scummy vs something that you just dislike
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Actually, this is a point I want everyone playing this game from now until the end of their mafia careers to consider. A lot of time, people simply disagree with others, and automatically associate that with being scum. Without the progression of thought from why [Player A] voted for [Player B], points are either poorly explained or not explained at all, and nothing can be brought back as a reference point for the future, nor can the miriad of reactions happen from any and all players involved (bystanders included) because there's nothing to comment on except for the vote itself. We're left to parse motivation ourselves, which takes time away from collective discussion.

In the case above, I think MegaPod looks town/neutralish, while Zachie thinks MegaPod looks like scum. Things like sheeping and OMGUS are not 100% scumtells, and if you play like they are, you're going to be wrong more often than you realize. I'm not saying MegaPod is for-sure town, but in the case of Zachie calling people scum like Pika and Me and MegaPod for things that he seems to just not like/agree with, I wonder if people are taking the time to try to make the distinction between getting hot n' bothered, and getting actual scum vibes. It's especially worth considering when you look at a post like Zachie's #39 (with Pika vote) and compare that to the town flip of Pika.

It's one of the main reasons as to why I'm such a loud and boisterous jerk around here; if you want to figure out whether or not I'm scum, you'd better have an actual reason for not only what I've done, but why I would've done it. If someone is lazy or mean, it doesn't automatically mean they're scum.
 
DarthWolf said:
MP and Mido post a short mention on it and make a vote towards pika which looks to me like they are jumping on the a wagon that's about to roll.
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So one vote one a player is now an immediate bandwagon? Well I've been playing wrong all these years. Here I thought a second vote showed pressure, or thinking that someone was acting scummy. Thank you for your great teachings.

Sorry to disappoint you, but megapod's sheeping has nothing to do with me. If you're going to make some buddying scumbuddy theory then please have better evidence. Like @Elieson My behavior and defense of Zachie does look like possible buddying.
 
Hmm...If Darth's lying and we trust him, mislynching Mido would most likely cost us the game. All scum would have to do is kill anyone else off the next night, gain half the voting power, and either lead a mislynch or perform another kill to win.

Then again, I haven't seen Mido give me a good reason not to vote her for the time being. She acts as though I hadn't presented my reasoning for voting, when in actually she provided none for hers. Still getting a bad vibe from Elie, tho.

Unvote: Eliesonnnn

Vote: Midorikawa
 
In a small game you're claiming to be a watcher?

I call BS. It's too OP for a small game. I think Darth is lying scum. And wouldn't be surprised if megapod is his partner. he did some out after I voted megapod.

And watching Zachie who is under suspicion is a strange choice. We've had only vanilla flips in a 7 player game. We're not going to have a watcher.

Unvote: megapod
Vote: Darth wolf

Also megapod there was an obvious reason for my vote in you. Scummy behavior and the sheepy vote. I was waiting on a response from pika but ended up not online for the rest of the phase due to work and exhaustion. So I wasn't around. Your vote remains scummy as the third vote and for being a sheepy vote.
 
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