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Why do they like her so much? Or why dont you like her?
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Huh… people like Serena much? To the contrary, I’ve seen plenty of people who hated her guts, labeling her bland, simple shipping fodder and underdeveloped.
I still think that fans made a bigger deal about her crush than the show did though.
There were definitely teases for it throughout the show and the initial information about Serena before XY aired at least implied that there was a crush, but I've seen fans treat her like shipping was the only noteworthy thing about Serena.
None of Serena's best moments in the series have anything to do with her crush on Ash. Her best moments in my opinion revolve around her determination to become Kalos Queen and becoming a better trainer with her Pokemon.
Thankfully we have these polls to check:I don't know how popular Serena is in relation to the other female leads
Have you met Scott?After the Advanced Generation series ended, May's fans were obviously sad with her departure, but they were in no way confused or outraged.
Maybe too quickly, considering what came out after that...When Dawn left the main cast it was a shock to virtually no one. There were a few holding on to hope that Dawn—being the first and so far only co-protagonist on the show—would stick around, but when they learned that she would not be traveling with Ash to Unova, they moved on fairly quickly.
I'm not really sure that there is so much difference between disappointments of fans of different characters. I clearly remember that there is a big disappointment about Hikari's leaving the show. I think fans of Hikari were not vocally "strong" about their disappointment because they didn't want to look like the fans of a certain other character. I think people were more vocal about Kasumi and Serena's leaving the show because of most of their fandoms were also shippers. Shippers were always the most vocal parts of every fandom. Even Hikari's leaving the show was most vocally criticized by Pearlshipper part of her fandom. There is also other reasons that might help: People were obviously upset about Kalos League loss and SM's new art style, there was much less internet petitions back then in 2010, etc.It all changed with Serena. There is a sizable amount of art depicting Serena wearing Moon's clothes and numerous online petitions to bring Serena to the Sun & Moon series. Serena's fans act like they were betrayed and they have this feeling that her departure is unreasonable, unjustified.
Were they wrong though? I think it's the main crust of the problem. When you think about it... it really makes no sense for Serena to leave the person she romantically interested, just to participate on a contest at Hoenn. We still don't know what happened to her. Did she give up being the Kalos Queen and now doing contest in Hoenn? Did she return to Kalos and doing chores for that creepy old woman? Did she go to Kanto and doing chores for Satoshi's mama? We'll never know! Same could be said for Hikari, she never gave a reason to not travel with Satoshi. Satoshi had no plan about the region he'll go next, yet Hikari said nothing about traveling with him again and part with him on pretext of a modelling job. Why is that? There is a implication that she is grown and no longer need Satoshi and Takeshi's help, so, she leave her friends because she no longer needs them? They're important for her as long as they're useful to her? The show never gave an answer for that. We were always too eager to belittle "BRING BACK MISTY/SERENA" part of fandom, yet aren't they were right to demand their favourite character back, or at least a better explanation for their no longer traveling with the person they supposed to attached? Maybe we were too quiet about Hikari's farewell to the show and should follow others' example?What made Serena popular was the shipping factor, and fans of AmourShipping think she is destined to be with Ash forever, so to them it makes no sense that she left his side.
Yes, they do.
After the Advanced Generation series ended, May's fans were obviously sad with her departure, but they were in no way confused or outraged. They knew Misty had left the cast at the end of the original series, and they also knew it was time for May to step down for a new female lead to enter. When Dawn left the main cast it was a shock to virtually no one. There were a few holding on to hope that Dawn—being the first and so far only co-protagonist on the show—would stick around, but when they learned that she would not be traveling with Ash to Unova, they moved on fairly quickly. When Iris left, people were not only fine because they already knew it was the norm for the leading lady to last only one series, they were also glad to see her go.
It all changed with Serena. There is a sizable amount of art depicting Serena wearing Moon's clothes and numerous online petitions to bring Serena to the Sun & Moon series. Serena's fans act like they were betrayed and they have this feeling that her departure is unreasonable, unjustified. Of course not all people are the same, and not every fan of Serena thinks that way, but there is a vocal part of her fans that think she should be a part of the main cast forever and do not accept the fact she left. What made Serena popular was the shipping factor, and fans of AmourShipping think she is destined to be with Ash forever, so to them it makes no sense that she left his side.
Mikuri said:Our entire fandom blows things out of proportion, but Serena's fans had the writers on their side, specially Omode. I mean, an episode titled Satoshi and Serena's First Date!? The Tree of Promises and the Presents!! is ridiculous. Also, I think it was Shokotan who called Serena a "legendary heroine" (pause for laughs) while commenting on her best moments, which of course featured several AmourShipping hints.
Mikuri said:Not the only one, but the major one. The writers made that crystal clear in her final episode, in which she literally turns to Ash and says "you are my goal". And here I thought that her goal was to become Kalos Queen?
Mikuri said:That's your own personal opinion, many would say otherwise. I agree that Serena's best moments come from her career as a Performer, but as I said the show itself treats her crush on Ash as her defining trait.
I don't see them really close that much, at least not close as Hikari or Haruka was, because of obvious reasons: Serena has a secret crush on him and I don't think that you can really close to someone if you're hiding something like that from him.Had the closest affiliation of Ash compared to any other girl he's traveled/accompanied
I read this in Shinji's voice. Something he would actually say.Because people like cute girls and Serena was cute
I disagree with this completely. Her romantic attraction towards Satoshi is one of her defining personality traits, saying anything less would be an understatement. It's also wrong to assume that her crush is blown out of proportion by shippers or it was just teasing on part of writers. Kotone's words about Satoshi and Hikari would be teasing, what Serena done was much more than that, and shippers weren't in the blame, show-runners did everything they could do to promote their "ship", they went even far enough to give them a kiss scene, a thing none of us veteran viewers ever expected to happen. Serena's crush is important part of her personality and it's focused on many episodes. Her crush is the reason for her traveling with Satoshi, it's the defining trait of the relationship between them, you can't brush it aside as mere gimmick.I wouldn't say that Serena's crush on Ash is her defining trait. The show treated it more like a gimmick than anything else. It's one reason why I couldn't really consider her crush as a subplot. It was something to make Serena stand out among other female leads, as well as provide some teases for the pairing, but I don't think of it as her defining trait or that the show treated her crush as such. I think it would have been a bigger deal in the show if that was the case and aside from their attempts to tease the audience with the pairing, it really wasn't.
Well, it depends on the viewer and her/his preferences. But what I like about that scene was how they actually show her crying wholeheartedly about something upset her. This show always had a tendency to suppress these kind of negative feelings, treat crying as a sign of weakness. Characters are forced to hide these kind of feelings and show no negative emotions. It was nice to see a character to embrace these feelings and let it go.I've seen people saying that the scene in which Serena cuts her hair at the pier after losing her first Pokémon Showcase is the most beautiful and emotional the anime has ever produced. *major eyeroll*
Have you met Scott?
Maybe too quickly, considering what came out after that...
I'm not really sure that there is so much difference between disappointments of fans of different characters. I clearly remember that there is a big disappointment about Hikari's leaving the show. I think fans of Hikari were not vocally "strong" about their disappointment because they didn't want to look like the fans of a certain other character. I think people were more vocal about Kasumi and Serena's leaving the show because of most of their fandoms were also shippers. Shippers were always the most vocal parts of every fandom. Even Hikari's leaving the show was most vocally criticized by Pearlshipper part of her fandom. There is also other reasons that might help: People were obviously upset about Kalos League loss and SM's new art style, there was much less internet petitions back then in 2010, etc.
Were they wrong though? I think it's the main crust of the problem. When you think about it... it really makes no sense for Serena to leave the person she romantically interested, just to participate on a contest at Hoenn. We still don't know what happened to her. Did she give up being the Kalos Queen and now doing contest in Hoenn? Did she return to Kalos and doing chores for that creepy old woman? Did she go to Kanto and doing chores for Satoshi's mama? We'll never know! Same could be said for Hikari, she never gave a reason to not travel with Satoshi. Satoshi had no plan about the region he'll go next, yet Hikari said nothing about traveling with him again and part with him on pretext of a modelling job. Why is that? There is a implication that she is grown and no longer need Satoshi and Takeshi's help, so, she leave her friends because she no longer needs them? They're important for her as long as they're useful to her? The show never gave an answer for that. We were always too eager to belittle "BRING BACK MISTY/SERENA" part of fandom, yet aren't they were right to demand their favourite character back, or at least a better explanation for their no longer traveling with the person they supposed to attached? Maybe we were too quiet about Hikari's farewell to the show and should follow others' example?
Those episode titles were some of the teases the show provided and I do remember some fan backlash to the Sylveon episode since people wanted more Ash and Serena moments too, but I still think that the crush itself was blown out of promotion mostly by the fans. The show did provide fuel for the fans, so it's not like it came out of nowhere, but generally speaking, I don't think it was treated as big of a deal within the show. I don't remember Shokotan calling Serena a legendary heroine though. That is giving her a bit too much praise.
I wouldn't say that Serena's crush on Ash is her defining trait. The show treated it more like a gimmick than anything else. It's one reason why I couldn't really consider her crush as a subplot. It was something to make Serena stand out among other female leads, as well as provide some teases for the pairing, but I don't think of it as her defining trait or that the show treated her crush as such. I think it would have been a bigger deal in the show if that was the case and aside from their attempts to tease the audience with the pairing, it really wasn't.
Well, it depends on the viewer and her/his preferences. But what I like about that scene was how they actually show her crying wholeheartedly about something upset her. This show always had a tendency to suppress these kind of negative feelings, treat crying as a sign of weakness. Characters are forced to hide these kind of feelings and show no negative emotions. It was nice to see a character to embrace these feelings and let it go.
I definitely had problems with her storyline, such as how long it took for her to find a goal and the goal itself not being nearly as challenging as the show kept trying to claim it was, but at least she was likable enough to where it wasn't harder to sit through Showcases. She isn't my favorite female lead, but I think she would be third after Dawn and May in that list.
Our entire fandom blows things out of proportion, but Serena's fans had the writers on their side, specially Omode. I mean, an episode titled Satoshi and Serena's First Date!? The Tree of Promises and the Presents!! is ridiculous. Also, I think it was Shokotan who called Serena a "legendary heroine" (pause for laughs) while commenting on her best moments, which of course featured several AmourShipping hints.
I never really took notice of this when I first saw Dori Dori as the new ending. However, now that I think about it, it was after idol animations like Love Live! kick-started the idol genre sensation. Despite its flaws, I did like the Showcases because of how they included dancing with Pokemon on stage.Well, I can think of several reasons:
~The idol sensation was also pretty big in Japan during her time on screen. Her character ending, and later profession as a Pokemon Performer, reflected that and surely boosted her popularity.
I usually blame the fans for being delusional, for getting their hopes sky high, for expecting things they shouldn't, and for not knowing any better. You may remember me laughing while everyone was crying their eyes out after learning of Ash's loss in the Lumiose Conference, and again, I know this fandom blows things out of proportion. However, I feel that you are trying to lessen the importance given to AmourShipping over the course of the XY series, both within and outside the show. Not saying Amourshippers were right in hoping that Ash would ask Grace to bless his marriage to Serena. On the contrary, I'm saying they're crazy. But did they had help. And what a help it was. Their craziness was supported by the anime staff.
Mikuri said:What would you say is Serena's defining trait then? Certainly not her passion for Pokémon Showcases, a competition that she only discovered a year after her debut appearance and that got dropped by the writers months before the series concluded.
Serena's crush on Ash is her defining trait. Serena did not start her journey because she wanted to go out and share experiences with a partner Pokémon. It was because she wanted to return a handkerchief to Ash. She wasn't trying to escape her mother, she was hoping to meet Ash after seeing him on TV. Ash was the reason Serena left home, and after 140 episodes, Ash was still the reason Serena wanted to be a better version of herself. I'm not making things up or telling you my interpretation of what I saw, I'm telling you what actually happened and that's something you can see for yourself.
Agreed. As for her storyline, yeah I'd say that having her not getting an immediate endgame goal could have worked, but rather than just have her traveling with the group for a good chunk of the series and doing very little, others I recall suggested that she could have tried for different types of goals, only to quit until attempting the Showcases.
Gives her something more meaningful in the meantime, plus it give validity to Grace's concern that it would be just another thing she tries and quits at rather than merely telling us these concerns.