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Mafia USM Ubers Mafia endgame (Town and Genesect victory)

Beefing it up with CapsFan:
I'm aware. Do you fault me for still feeling the need to respond to what he said?
Part of me feels like CapsFan wanted to be seen responding to my post. But that's an aside to my main point.

Top town are bulba account, Sloonei, and Ereshkigal. Top mafia are speedchuck, Calvin, and Spiritual Mask Salesman.

[Justification for town reads]

Mafia: Regarding speedchuck, the two miller claim thing is so weird to me. Firstly, never before have I seen a game with two millers in it. Second, if speedchuck wasn't reading the thread, then this could have been a defense of AussieEevee who we know to be mafia. If he was reading the thread, I don't see any reason why he would post that.
This could very easily be an opportunistic suspicion. Speedchuck said something goofy, and that one goofy thing is used as the sole justification for a case against him. The point about mistakenly defending Aussie almost has legs, until you realize that an entire night phase would have passed in which scumchuck would have had to not notice that is team was down a member. Again, this is an aside to USDA approved beef I have with this post:

Calvin is on this list because of the shady interactions between him and AussieEevee, which I and others have talked about before. I also don't believe that mafia would have targeted him because he is a player whom many others are suspicious of, and those kinds of players are better left for lynches or vig kills.
We'll start with that opening refrain to the Calvin suspicion. Is that not an awkward way to frame a suspicion? "Calvin is on this list because..." It is almost like Caps is suggesting that a fabrication is necessary in order to put Calvin in the position of Primary Suspect. "I have selected Calvin as a suspect, and now I will need to produce a reason for that." The cart is in front of the horse. "... because of the shady interactions..." may also reveal a seam in the fabricated case here. He does not say "I suspect Calvin because of his interactions with AussieEevee." The interactions have been pre-qualified as shady by others, and those interactions were sufficient to put Calvin on a list.

To be clear, my argument here has to do with the semantics of CapsFan's framing of his Calvin suspicion. I think his opening sentence is worded in a way that suggests the read is not authentic. I expect that this is going to seem completely unreasonable to folks who've never played with me before, but this is a thing that I do.

Spiritual Mask Salesman, as I have also said before, made that odd push for a nova lynch early in Day 1. He also kind of just threw his vote onto an already large AussieEevee wagon at the very end of the phase. I know that he looks better than I do for at least voting, but I don't think that throwaway votes help your cause in one way or another.

[VOTE]: Calvin

I think that out of these three players, Calvin is most likely to be mafia. I believe the mafia decided to silence Sloonei rather than kill them because they thought the doctor was going to be on him, so they went elsewhere. Sloonei was a good choice to silence, as well, because of his vocality. Why the kill didn't go through, I don't know. I have a theory that Sloonei caught Calvin in a lie last night and Calvin is trying to say that the mafia targeted him to deflect suspicion back onto Sloonei given the results that Ereshkigal received as well as the fact that Sloonei cannot defend himself.
The Calvin vote is Part 2 of my major beef here, and this requires, in part, a nod to the context of this post. CapsFan made a couple of quick posts upon entering the thread Day 2, then was silent for a bit. Jay asked him directly for reads, and he responded with this post, capped off with a vote for Calvin. That he stated this case so confidently and then put a vote only after being prodded may suggest that he was feeling obligated to put a vote down at this point. He was silent until it was required of him to say something, and now that he'd taken off he wanted to seal his denouncement of Calvin with a vote.

He also tacks on an additional piece of a case against Calvin, and I don't think it makes sense. It's a Mr. Fantastic-esque stretch to suggest that Calvin was trying to deflect suspicion onto me yesterday, and also a bizarre leap to suggest that I "caught Calving in a lie", and that this move was then somehow anticipated by the mafia, who preemptively silenced me(?). Calvin was a town read of mine for most of the day, and during Night 1 had dropped down only to a middle-tier read on my rainbow. He'd been receptive to my hunting on Day 1. I don't think any of this suggests an urgency on Calvin's part to have me silenced.

Another minor ping I get here is "Why the kill didn't go through, I don't know." That remark seems shoehorned in. It's not entirely relevant to the discussion of my silencing, but it's tucked into the middle of it arbitrarily. My guess is Caps does have an idea as to why the kill failed because he picked the target.
 
That's exactly the wishywashy reasoning that makes me dislike him. I see a player stubbornly clinging to a read like his read on eevee and he drops it because "he was under scrutiny for it"- Calvin cares more about how other players perceive the slot than other things
I'm still not sure I see this as an exclusively bad thing; civilians can and should be concerned about their public image. You can't solve the game if you get lynched, and it's much easier to solve if you're able to prove yourself honest. But also, my point here is that Calvin's nonchalance about that particular point suggests he was not concerned about the potential shadiness of it. He says "Yeah, y'all would have kept yelling at me if I didn't do this, so I did it. So what?" I feel like a typical scum player there would be more cautious to steer directly into that muck.

Dang it I said I would stop. My mind is not changing at this point and we need to find scum elsewhere to keep working together.
Don't stop. This is working together. You suspect a player. I feel differently. I'm fairly sure you and I are both town. We should be putting all of these thoughts out in the open.
 
The problem is I am arguing against a green check which is anti town. It is too soon in the game for this. You have made your point clear and I'll keep it strongly in mind if you rip before me

But discussion about Calvin is not helping us find wolves. I am just being stubborn.
 
For someone who has claimed that they tend to get their act together on Day 2, this is a huge ping and doesn't really make me believe you're town in any way. I believe someone whose act is together would be reading the thread back and forth and wouldn't be confused about something as important as night actions.
Reads as an over-assertion of suspicion. This point is worth bringing up for sure. I would not say it's so strong that it "doesn't really make me believe he is town in any way."


[In response to Calvin]
That is fair, I see what you are saying. I do still think that your lynch would bring a lot of information, especially because your role as I am guessing is not necessarily aligned one way or another, and also given your interactions with AussieEevee. I also think you could be mafia for buddying Sloonei. However I will not eliminate the possibility that you could be town who just read Aussie wrong. I would like to hear what other players have to say about this whole situation with you and Sloonei. I think I will move my vote elsewhere for the time being until we can get more information.
Caps immediately pivots from "Calvin is shading Sloonei" to "Calvin is buddying Sloonei". What exactly is the "situation" with Calvin and I that you want to hear about, @TheCapsFan? And what are your specific thoughts on it?

[VOTE]: Spiritual Mask Salesman

For lots of different reasons stated multiple times throughout this phase. @Spiritual Mask Salesman Who are your top town and scum reads? Why did you wait so long to vote AussieEevee?

@ReturnofMCH Welcome to the game, mate. If you could provide any thoughts as well, that'd be nice. I know you're not the most comfortable at doing that but your slot is a big question mark right now. Anything you have on the game would be great.
Again deferring to other people's reasons for suspecting a player, even after providing his own apparent justification for this vote. The questions he poses for SMS (and also MCH) strike me as similar to the types of prods Aussie was throwing at Max on Day 1.
 
The problem is I am arguing against a green check which is anti town. It is too soon in the game for this. You have made your point clear and I'll keep it strongly in mind if you rip before me

But discussion about Calvin is not helping us find wolves. I am just being stubborn.
Do you have any comment on the things I've said about CapsFan?
 
Buffalo. Congrats on the victory!

Don’t read any of my nonsense about you til the morning. I wouldn’t want to spoil your evening. :)

OMG i have been rooting for you guys all season because I love me some good teams out of the leagues that ESPN doesn’t care about because Duke isn’t in them

Also i did actually pick yall to beat texas tech. I love buffalo

117660

Fr though, the terms “mid major” and “non-power conference” should be eliminated. Teams like Yall and Wofford in bball and UCF in football have proved that to me time and time again!!

Anyway, back to your regularly scheduled mafia.
 
I picked us to go to the Final 4. My bracket was not good. :oops:
 
Got a fair few notifications. Also I'm not busy now and should be free all day, let me read from my last post.
 
Do you have any comment on the things I've said about CapsFan?
I am pretty close to locking caps in town. My next point of investigation is you/ereshkigal/speedchuck as members of eevee's wagon most likely to bus based on position alone. Replace you with SMS if you would like, but solving eresh is first. May have to spend time isoing in the night. Right now he feels TMI.
 
I am pretty close to locking caps in town. My next point of investigation is you/ereshkigal/speedchuck as members of eevee's wagon most likely to bus based on position alone. Replace you with SMS if you would like, but solving eresh is first. May have to spend time isoing in the night. Right now he feels TMI.
Why? RE: Caps?
Why does Ereshkigal seem TMI to you?
 
Sorry before I respond, can someone tell me what ISO is? It seems it has something to do with who has posted and how many times they posted, but i'm just struggling to put two and two together.

JJJ
Sloonei
Ereshkigal
Town
Town
Town

Nova
Speed
Deku
Town
Scum
Scum

CapsFan
Bulba
Dale
Town
Town
Scum

SMS
Calvin
Scum
Town

Can give thoughts on whichever needed, i'm not majorly knowledgeable on how setups go, even as a host. But I do believe there is less Mafia left than what I have said are scum in the list. (I said 4, I believe there are two left (with an indep) or 3 left with them all being mafia).
 
@Calvin ッ your thoughts on this conversation would be appreciated regardless of how much information you want to share.
What do you need to know? I am happy to give up any information. I will say now that because of the whole ordeal, although it does feel slightly tunnely (I feel like I think like this because its me under attack :p ) but I feel bulba is town because of the whole thing, I feel like he/she is genuinely trying to provide for town, it's just obvious to me that they should look elsewhere for now.

I am also assuming the mafia knows I'm a target, and that they will be planning accordingly. They would be wasting a kill or whatever else they have if they used it on me, to be completely frank with you.

Why did MCH vote for themselves, I didn't see? Was it just because they were accused? I don't think it is like Eevee where activity was to blame. This has been two situations now where BMGf players have just given up on the game, and voted for themselves. You fellas gotta stop shining us in a bad light

Also I was almost spot on, I assumed Sloonei was the cop and visited me because he personally wasn't sure on me, whereas others had already taken a stance. So I understand completely why he was on me. Turns out he was a JOAT.
 
Why? RE: Caps?
Why does Ereshkigal seem TMI to you?
My argument for caps hasn't changed at all but he has consistently been showing the behavior I liked.

Eresh is talking a lot about game mechanics in a way that feels more specific than the knowledge a tracker with a single result should have. Either they are town that is full of crap or they are overeager scum. I guess I will go back and quote the most egregious post.
 
They could just be trying to cause chaos. Killing Calvin while he's under suspicion and having him flip Town would be a destabilizing factor. If I were Mafia, he would be a prime target exactly for the reason of trying to get Town to turn on each other.



Not necessarily. Take a look at this quote from the rules:

Plus, it gave you two methods of rooting out scum: You knew there would be no other millers because you were miller, and you had a shot of Cop.
The first paragraph made me feel super icky.
 
Not sure how I feel about reading into semantics and then connecting it to authenticity either lol

Just seems like a good way to get burned
 
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