Mafia Cells at Work Mafia - Endgame (09/02/2020)

[HumanDawn]

@Kender & @Malevolent I feel like Felly should be ignored right now. If they have an immunity to votes and being killed, it might be a temporary one that only lasts a few phases. I think there was a role that was immune to death until the end of N2 in another game, but I am completely blanking out which game that was. Were you told that your action failed?

I agree that there should be at least one vote on her because of the mid-day votes to see if it's still active.

Cyanide's vote on Malevolent makes sense.

Any specific reason for this?

MegaPod posted a suspicion but ended the day without a vote. He posted a concern, to which I answered, and he didn’t act.

LG's lynch is somewhat his fault, so that makes things a bit more awkward and hard to work with since he could've placed his vote on someone else so the Day phase didn't end with a mislynch. Because of that I feel like we didn't get a decent amount of info about the wagonomics. I'm still going to give it a second read, but at first the only thing that struck me as weird was HD moving his vote, which made it impossible for LG to shift the lynch to someone else after Unvoting himself.

Did anyone else target Felly last night? We might be able to know if she's some kind of commuter.
For now I think I'll vote HD, I'm not exactly fond of his arguments, and if he knew actions would fail on her, then most of D1 could've been somewhat attracting attention to her to waste town roles.

Vote: HumanDawn


It's not a big wagon for now, so I don't see any problems with that.

That's true, but none of us knew about all votes being nullified. If I knew of Felly's ability, my change of vote (Cyanide ->Felly) would have changed from a No Lynch... to a No Lynch... The only reason we got a lynch is because Lone_Garurumon unvoted in the last few minutes... I don't think I could predict that would happen? Yeah, Lone_Garurumon wasn't able to shift the lynch, but he isn't the only player in the game, and anyone can vote somebody else if they wanted, which a lot of player like MegaPod and Officer Snake, and... even you, didn't do.

Also, you put attention on her before I did, and I remember first criticizing the wagon you placed the third vote on. If I wanted to waste the Town's Day, why would I even bother? We don't know if Kender's role is actually wasted anyway, Kender wasn't necessarily going to use her vig N1.

 

[KenderCharmeleon]

We don't know if Kender's role is actually wasted anyway, Kender wasn't necessarily going to use her vig N1.

I don't get why I would claim that I'm the Vig if I didn't already wasted my role, that just make no sense at all. It's like asking to be Mafia killed next night. And there is probably no bodyguard or doctor to save me now. Also, there is no worry to keep 2 votes on Felly, we can always change our mind after Mid-day count.

 

[HumanDawn]

I don't get why I would claim that I'm the Vig if I didn't already wasted my role, that just make no sense at all. It's like asking to be Mafia killed next night. And there is probably no bodyguard or doctor to save me now. Also, there is no worry to keep 2 votes on Felly, we can always change our mind after Mid-day count.

If your vote was not on Felly, who would you put it on?

 

[KenderCharmeleon]

Humm....
Hard to tell. I have pretty much suspicion on everyone of you because I'm kinda the parano.

Snowy, They were very fast to Vote for LG at the beginning, and they just disappeared in thin air afterward.

I find your behavior very chaotic HD, but LG said that you are like that in Mafia game, so it could mean you are town or not either way.
Ex is always the helpful type, but I don't see anything wrong in his arguments right now.
Mal seems pretty new to this game, so it could be either way. That late vote for LG is suspicious, but I'll just let it pass for now.

Well anyway, it's clear that I don't have enough info to be convinced of anything, but if I had to choose right now, I'll probably choose Snowy or HD.

 

[ExLight]

Yeah, Lone_Garurumon wasn't able to shift the lynch, but he isn't the only player in the game, and anyone can vote somebody else if they wanted, which a lot of player like MegaPod and Officer Snake, and... even you, didn't do.

Also, you put attention on her before I did, and I remember first criticizing the wagon you placed the third vote on. If I wanted to waste the Town's Day, why would I even bother? We don't know if Kender's role is actually wasted anyway, Kender wasn't necessarily going to use her vig N1.

Excuse me? The EoD isn't matching with my sleep schedule, so I wasn't here to try and discuss it with LG. And I don't see why I would've put my vote on someone else without a decent reason to since it could've become an easy mislynch for scum.

And I put attention on her weird vote thing because as town I wanted to have more info to help us understand what was going on, is there anything wrong with that? It's really different from you who were the one who dramatically called her "super anti-town" and that "she should be vigi shot" after the End Phase. Suggesting that she should be copped or vigi shot, if she has some kind of commuting or immunity, is way scummier because it just wastes the power roles' actions and allows scum to do as they wish.

 

[KenderCharmeleon]

To be honest, I would have tried the Vigi shot with or without HD's comment since I thought it was the right thing to try, even if risky. But it's true that encouraging a VG shot is a bit strange, at the same time though, if Felly would have been Town, her silence is the most fishy of all.

 

[Snowy]

Well let's not forget that Snowy's vote the one responsible for LG Lynch though, based on absolutely nothing. It's pretty convenient to thing that Snowy just forgot about the vote imo.

I genuinely did forget. I was going to pull my vote off LG as soon as I saw:

Also holy shit Snowy's vote's still on me. I ain't takin' that chance.

but LG had posted this about 17 minutes before EoD and I saw it just before EoD. (Basically, Zinn's post appeared just as I was typing to unvote). I figured it didn't matter though because there was only one vote on LG and four on Felly.

 

[HumanDawn]

Excuse me? The EoD isn't matching with my sleep schedule, so I wasn't here to try and discuss it with LG. And I don't see why I would've put my vote on someone else without a decent reason to since it could've become an easy mislynch for scum.

That's cool, but that doesn't answer how my change of vote Day 1, assuming I am Mafia and Felly is my partner, would change anything for me. Actually, I made an error about the No Lynch to No Lynch, because Lone_Garurumon voted himself. There were two on Lone_Garurumon and I voted Cyanide, which would mean Lone_Garurumon would have gotten lynched even if I kept my vote and... nothing would have changed no matter what I knew about Felly's role. My point about how anyone else could vote was that I can't predict exactly how people would vote, so it seems hypocritical to blame me for Lone Garurumon's mislynch (even when my change of vote would not have changed the result if I knew about Felly's ability, anyway) and that my vote is "weird" because it "made it impossible for LG to shift the lynch to someone else after Unvoting himself. " when he could have voted somebody else and made a No Lynch, and if there were more votes in the game, Lone_Garurumon would probably have not been lynched like that in the first place. If I were to scheme some plot and was afraid of Lone_Garurumon's unvote and who he would shift it to, so he would lynch somebody else, then he would shift it to Cyanide... who I was voting. You'd need to paint me and Cyanide as scum partners in which I changed it to Felly so Cyanide isn't lynched by Lone_Garurumon if you want to argue that my change of vote had a hidden agenda.

And I put attention on her weird vote thing because as town I wanted to have more info to help us understand what was going on, is there anything wrong with that? It's really different from you who were the one who dramatically called her "super anti-town" and that "she should be vigi shot" after the End Phase. Suggesting that she should be copped or vigi shot, if she has some kind of commuting or immunity, is way scummier because it just wastes the power roles' actions and allows scum to do as they wish.

No, you already explained that, but what I meant was that if you could argue that I did it to "waste time" (which i can't see how the case would be, because if i knew about felly, then my vote would change nothing about the lynch), then I could argue that you were trying to waste time as well, and you even did it before me!

You can mock my post as much as you like by calling my words in it dramatic, but that doesn't change the fact that I was not wrong and nobody argued against it. If I am Mafia and knew about it, then I put attention on myself for it when I had the choice to not say anything and let the vigilante probably kill them anyway.

 

[ExLight]

There were two on Lone_Garurumon and I voted Cyanide, which would mean Lone_Garurumon would have gotten lynched even if I kept my vote

No he wouldn't because he noticed it before the deadline and removed his self-vote.
If you had left your vote on Cyanide he could pick between a No Lynch or lynching Cyanide instead, while by removing it you forced him to choose between getting Lynched and a No Lynch.

If he's the kind of player that would always rather have a lynch D1 to give info to town to work with he might've let his lynch happen intentionally. But if Cyanide was an option I feel like he would've voted there in an attempt to avoid sacrificing himself.

you were trying to waste time as well

?
How so? I don't recall telling any power roles how to use their roles.

 

[HumanDawn]

No he wouldn't because he noticed it before the deadline and removed his self-vote.

If you had left your vote on Cyanide he could pick between a No Lynch or lynching Cyanide instead, while by removing it you forced him to choose between getting Lynched and a No Lynch.

If he's the kind of player that would always rather have a lynch D1 to give info to town to work with he might've let his lynch happen intentionally. But if Cyanide was an option I feel like he would've voted there in an attempt to avoid sacrificing himself.

Okay, so you're not going to argue that Cyanide and I are scum partners? Got it.

Ahh, yes, I forced him into him either dying or nobody getting killed, when if I stuck my vote on Cyanide, it would be either Lone_Garurumon dying, nobody dying, or him voting Cyanide, the player I was voting. All this assuming no more votes would be involved until the day phase ends.

How so? I don't recall telling any power roles how to use their roles.

How so? I don't recall you having any problem with somebody telling any power roles how to use their roles.

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Can somebody tell me more about ExLight as a player? Is how they reply and answer normal here?

 

[Tood]

Is there a chance that Felly's silence is deliberate, like she's meant to be non-existent until a certain point in the game? I know inactive players are a thing, but we can't vote her or have our vig shoot her, so it feels a bit strange to me. It's also possible Kender just got blocked last night and I'm being a paranoid conspiracy theorist, but everything aboit that situation feels fishy to me.

 

[HumanDawn]

Is there a chance that Felly's silence is deliberate, like she's meant to be non-existent until a certain point in the game? I know inactive players are a thing, but we can't vote her or have our vig shoot her, so it feels a bit strange to me. It's also possible Kender just got blocked last night and I'm being a paranoid conspiracy theorist, but everything aboit that situation feels fishy to me.

Tood, if you would vote anyone now, who would it be?

 

[ExLight]

Okay, so you're not going to argue that Cyanide and I are scum partners? Got it.

uh
Why would I?

 

[ExLight]

Can somebody tell me more about ExLight as a player? Is how they reply and answer normal here?

me me me
I can

I'm usually universally scumread due to unorthodox positions on some stuff, I'm high activity, super paranoid, and I either burn out or panic easily.

I don't have a definitive meta because I like trying different approaches, but apparently I OMGUS and tinfoil a lot.
I used to lie a lot as town, but I've been trying to redeem myself lately and being completely honest unless it's completely necessary to.

I either get lynched D1 25% of the time or get night killed around N3.

uh that's it

 

[Felly]

Hey yoooooo, ya girl Felly has made it to the party! Sorry I'm a little late, my Uber driver went the wrong way and got lost. I guess some cells can be kinda dumb after all.

Anyways, I've been reading the thread, and I'll give y'all a full explanation of what went down day 1 (and night 1) with me later tonight. I'm mobile right now and gotta work tonight, so I'm not down to type a lengthy post right now, but when I get home, beans will be spilt and tea will be shared.

 

[ZinnLav]

 

[KenderCharmeleon]

From what I know from Ex, his description of himself pretty accurate. I didn't play a lot with him, but he always look scum whatever his role is. lol

 

[HumanDawn]

 

[Tood]

Tood, if you would vote anyone now, who would it be?

Probably Felly, (if she actually is voteable this round) until we get an explanation from her. The entire fact that we wasted a lynch on the 0 votes thing and she didn't bother speaking up doesn't sit very well with me. Otherwise, Snowy. "I forgot" isn't really that strong of a defense.

But did we even need to have any votes on LoneGarurumon in the first place? If everyone had just voted Felly and we saw her vote count was normal, wouldn't we naturally assume that LG was the one who was voteless, even if he didn't vote?

 

[Tood]

So why were some suggesting before that he should vote for himself?