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Mafia Archie Sonic Mafia, Endgame: TBA (4/8/20)

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HumanDawn said:
Nah, I meant that if Pika_Pika42 is actually Mafia then I wouldn't feel too annoyed by my play because even though I defended him a lot, I still helped build the wagon on Mafia and got it lynched.
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Ah okay that makes more sense.

HumanDawn said:
Of course, but I don't really have much reason to bus to get Town cred I don't need. Distance, probably, but I was already sussing Pikochu before RC voted him, but I can see what you mean about how me voting him would look better. Mind I'm not saying I'm clearing myself from it, I just think I would have different intentions in voting Pikochu if I were scum with him.

I'd just like to clarify that I also bussed Colin because there was lots of suspicion on me from Wisdom's side and some players were already toying with the idea I might be scum as well like Pilica. There didn't seem to be much of that, if any, Day 2.
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To be honest, you're not really being read town by the majority of the game; you're moreso being read in the null range, so I could see where you would want the town cred to push you further, but at the same time though I do understand that you're not one who necessarily wants it or relies on it to be able to push your agenda. But I am glad to see that you are still considering yourself as a bus while trying to scumhunt.

HumanDawn said:
They were already people I Town read before though, I mean, I even say in my last post that day that the votes on the wagon are mostly Town reads. If you think they should have been lower than other players, or that I should Town read you or Space more than other players (both of which I also suss'd in that same Day btw), I'm all ears. Even if you see them and base them solely on the surface, it doesn't match up much either. For example, FinalArcadia was higher than ExLight despite ExLight being the tiebreaker, because even though she could still be a bus vote from my eyes, I thought her gameplay was better than ExLight.

Actually, in the same post of that reads list, I even say in the next sentences that it's based on things I've already said about them, but you conveniently cut it off ;P.
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I'll concede to this, I am also townreading Ex and RC for the moment so it makes no sense for me to argue against this.

I do agree with some of your points on Space but feel that there are other people whose gameplay and content has been worse and more lynchworthy (Deku, Fatima before these recent posts). Which saddens me to say because I really don't see two scum there.

HumanDawn said:
Come on man, cut the attitude. If we wanna work together, it might help to be nicer ;).
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Ah, did you not catch the sarcasm? My bad. I'm not trying to be antagonistic towards you in any way besides disagreeing with most of the things you have to say.

HumanDawn said:
Hmm, do you think so? I feel like I'm getting town vibes from Jinjo, like, "Yeah, this is totally what Jinjo would think, do and say as Town.".

Which posts of hers do you think are full of fluff?
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I'll find some after this post.

HumanDawn said:
Yeah, but it doesn't have to be Cult Leader like you were making it out to be. I think if there was a Cult Leader in just his previous game, he might want to be more experimental by trying something different, though it's a plain old Survivor claim... Maybe Lone_Garurumon just used up his creativity with Rainbow Cloud and Pika_Pika42's roles.
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Sometimes I'm too explicit, sometimes I'm not explicit enough, really I'm just trying to solve the game, man. What do you want

HumanDawn said:
That doesn't answer anything I've said about the implications you've put up.
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Okay. At this point, we're

HumanDawn said:
Yup, for completely different reasons. I still don't have an explanation as to why if I'm Mafia, Pika is Town or vice versa
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I think the problem is I want to read you as town, I think a lot of these responses are towny in nature, and I do follow a lot of your train of thought but despite what you're arguing I really do find your reasoning behind trusting Pikapika's claim to be just...not all there. I just don't agree with the logic behind the idea that the first bastard claim in a bastard game should be trusted especially because they didn't out all the way.

I think if you two are connected Pikapika is more likely to be the mafia, his actions yesterday and today seemed like he was kind of riding it out under your wing (buddying) and he seems to be making very similar statements to those that you are making (sheeping your scumreads, 0 scum bussing on the Pikochu wagon, etc.). There is another reason I believe Pikapika is scum that I have been hiding that I will reveal after this post.

HumanDawn said:
Well, I was looking at other fish to fry to dig more from them. I just keep getting back at you.
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Fair enough.

HumanDawn said:
Yeah, you can play as rusty Town, and that's what I've been thinking might be the case at points too, but there's so many things that don't add up when I try to think of you as Town. I expect you to be more considerate like with when you first voted Pika_Pika42, but you're not. Could you link a Town game for me to see at least?
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Yeah, let me go find one, again after this post.
 
TheCapsFan said:
Okay. At this point, we're
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Oops, forgot to respond to this part. To fully answer your implications, before I voted a lot of our arguments were based on disagreements over one specific thing: Pikapika and their claim. A lot of people have commented already that our posts are just big and meaty and mushy and don't have much content as a whole, and distract from the game. By voting you, our discussion is less about that specific mush and more about votes and reasons why the other is scum.
 
[UNVOTE]: HumanDawn
[VOTE]: DekuNut

I am willing enough to believe that Human is not scum for the moment and that if there is scum between them it is Pikapika for reasons I am about to reveal plus those I have already said.

I believe the towniest thing I can do at the moment to better a) clarify some of my actions and reads and b) help town solve the game through POE is to claim. I have dug myself in a hole enough to the point where my original intention of getting nightkilled is not going to happen.

I am claiming Bomb. This is the additional reason why I am so suspicious of Pikapika's claim of being a modified PGO, and the real reason why I quickly voted him on Day 2, as well as kept my vote on him later in the day. Our roles serve essentially the same purpose (where his claim is essentially a bastard version of mine) and I am confident in the fact that LG would not include both roles in the same game.

To clarify my interactions with Rainbow Cloud on day 2: the original statement I made D2 about me not being affected by RC's action is true. Because my bomb did not go off, I cannot verify his role after all. Why did I decide to flip flop and claim that it did affect me after the fact? Simply, I slipped. I forgot that I had made that original statement when crafting the second and instead tried to backpedal and use RC's target to soft a PR, and bait a nightkill last night, which obviously did not work (either because scum did not catch my soft, or more likely because I was not selling it at all). Learning Pikapika's alignment from his flip was somewhat central to whatever my next step would be today, and I hinted at this when I said that Pikapika's lynch would lead to more information than Pikochu's.

This should make more sense as to why I initially thought that Human and Pika were scumbuds and why eventually I shifted to saying that one of them is mafia.

Why am I voting DekuNut and not Pikapika? Pressure, I want them to show up and give their thoughts, I have already said that I would be okay with lynching them this phase, and their actions

I would also be willing to vote for Feenie because this is the second time that Fatima has tried to start a bandwagon on Feenie this phase and their latest posts seem to hint at them having some sort of extra information. I thought about pressuring them to cut the bullshit and claim but i would rather their claim not be out in the open if it is investigative given that we've already lost two investigative roles already. Personally I think that JOAT is more likely for Fatima because of that fact. I've already thought that Fatima has acted too scummy to be scum and put themselves too far out there, I do think they softclaimed PR in their first post (or at least an early post) on Day 1, and I would like to follow this thread.

My role does not activate when I am lynched so if you want to policy lynch me for lying to the town, I understand. Or if you think I'm scum and my lynch would give more information than a DekuNut or Feenie or Tood or Space lynch. Just please do not hammer me so I have enough time to read the entire game and give a coherent final reads list so that town knows they can work off of something tomorrow.
 
@HumanDawn This was my last game here where I rolled town.

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Need to look at @TheCapsFan 's claim in the morning but my first thought is I'm not keen on the part where he says he can't verify my role because his bomb didn't go off insinuating I'm lying. I'm not a killing role and didn't try to kill him which is the normal reason why a bomb goes off and my role doesn't sound like it affects passive roles which bomb is.

Can see why this would clash with Pika's claim but wondering if Lone would put both in.
 
Space said:
no, I understand why you did it. It's just the quick voting & unvoting which makes it strange to me.
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I really don't see what's wrong with voting for someone who was voting for someone who they thought was Town and then unvoting because they're just acting ridiculous.
People shouldn't be afraid to vote for people in fear of getting voted themselves.
TheCapsFan said:
Have you never heard of that saying? It's when a player is drawing too much attention to themselves or acting too suspicious to the point where they are either just town playing poorly or they're jester.

Are you trying to subtly sus me out?
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Exactly why it's not worth my time to leave my vote on Fatima

ExLight said:
Still kinda defending myself but I would I vote Piko if I were scum tho? If he popped at EoD and wanted to lynch Pika instead he wouldn't be able to since he'd be able to only tie at best. Although I guess Mido removing her vote from Pika is what really guaranteed Piko's death so me tiebreaking isn't exactly the holy fuck that was towny move though, but still.
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I was merely saying that those I listed were null reads and that I tend to vote nulls over others first. I'm more convinced your Town as the game goes on though. Especially after the points made about the vote on Piko.

TheCapsFan said:
I think this all boils down to the fact that I'm just having a tough time reading a lot of the field this game, and I think I chalk that up to the fact that this is the first time I think I've been town in a BMGf game all year. Limpdick excuse it might be but before this year (and before this quarantine), I have not played mafia on a regular basis since I was a mod here. I am rusty and trying to shake it off.
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This is basically me every game, in addition to already being bad at Mafia with reads and the like. I really don't play much as I did when I first started.

HumanDawn said:
I'm Mafia
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You are? :lapras: I'm kidding of course

I'm also inclined to vote for Deku, at least until I hear more from him...

Vote: DekuNut
 
Just read Caps' claim a bit more carefully
Not sure what to think of it and the timing for it seems a bit odd

I'm not really sure what to do here to verify their claims, and I feel like the odds of a randomized Ascetic+PGO and a bomb in the same game are really low unless mafia has a way to go around them like bulletproof which seems to be kinda rare here in bulba.

I doubt town has a rolecop (and even if it did, verifying Pika's claim is a pain) so it's the kind of claim that can only be verified through lynching which is really bad if they're telling the truth

even if we were to lynch them I have no idea which one I'd prioritize, because I've been townleaning Pika's in-thread content as towny despite his claim being fishier vs. coming back and forth on caps despite his claim being more believable
 
Actually if we throw RC's claim in the mix it gets even more likely someone is lying, since that makes it at least 3 roles that can't be killed by scum without drawbacks.
 
ExLight said:
Vote: DekuNut
@DekuNut

ExLight
Luminarrry
Rainbow Cloud
Pika_pika42
Midorikawa
Jinjo
Tood
HumanDawn
Fatima Shadow Frost Witch
TheCapsFan
ZinnLav
Space
DekuNut

The rainbow list I promised earlier

now let me catch up with some stuff
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a) Why is Jinjo higher than me and Fatima?

b) Why is Feenie/Luminary higher than Rainbow Cloud?

You said you doubted there would be a busser for the Rolecop of all roles - what changed?
 
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