Pokemon Legends: Arceus General Discussion

[Oriden]

I was defending him at one point, not understanding why he was so hated. But this has really made me understand the roots of the hate better.

I mean, I haven't even really looked at his stuff, but when there's a whole twitter dedicated to fact checking you, you must be doing something very wrong.

 

[TheElderKing]

I think there might be small human settlements in other areas of Hisui, if the humans with clothes seemingly based off Dialga and Pialka indicate that, but they stated from the first trailer that the region is dominated by the wilderness, sort of.

Although given the number of ruins visible in the trailer, as well as a big temple in the snowy area, it's more likely that there was an ancient civilization here that left or was destroyed.

In any case, I doubt there'll be anything remotely close to Jubilife Village in the rest of the region, and I thought that was the case from the start. They kind of used this setting, with humans not having fully settled in the whole region, to, in my opinion, going further in the direction of open areas/world without the complexity of a modern, fully civilized region.

 

[badwolf1234]

@badwolf1234 Colress is not a professor. He's a scientist.

I said kinda like a professor even in the bulbapedia page he is listed there also as i said it is just my hope that laventon will be the villain.

Also among the three he is the only one who doesnt seems to have a descendant in the modern day sinnoh.

 

[Bolt Strike]

Isn't that how a lot of open-world games are anyways? Like you don't have immediate access to every part of the world until you clear obstacles, reach certain goals, face certain bosses, etc.

Seems like a strange thing to write the game off for but I guess to each their own.

Not generally, no. Most open world games tend to let you go anywhere from the start (or in BotW's case, close to the start). Segmenting the world the way Legends is doing does kind of hinder the open world feel of the game. I can personally live with it, but I can see some people saying it's not a "real" open world game by going about it this way. Open world games work best when the exploration is driven by the player's own curiosity, if someone want to go to Snowpoint or up Mt. Coronet straight from the start, let them.

 

[FinnishPokéFan92]

I said kinda like a professor even in the bulbapedia page he is listed there also as i said it is just my hope that laventon will be the villain.

Also among the three he is the only one who doesnt seems to have a descendant in the modern day sinnoh.

He's not listed as a major professor. He's just a notable researcher. Plus, he doesn't have the "Professor" title. So no. Whichever way you look at it, Colress is not a professor.

 

[blitzle stan]

Not generally, no. Most open world games tend to let you go anywhere from the start (or in BotW's case, close to the start). Segmenting the world the way Legends is doing does kind of hinder the open world feel of the game. I can personally live with it, but I can see some people saying it's not a "real" open world game by going about it this way. Open world games work best when the exploration is driven by the player's own curiosity, if someone want to go to Snowpoint or up Mt. Coronet straight from the start, let them.

I think we are yet to see how restricted it is. Obsidian Fieldlands could just the tutorial area much like the Great Plateau, then maybe the game lets you choose which area to do next.

That's probably NOT how it will go down, but we're not sure yet. haha

 

[Daren]

I'm guessing from what we've seen in the previous trailer it's not full open world; maybe a split zone open world game (the world is divided into separate maps but you have a lot of freedom in the order you visit them) like Romancing SaGa or some of the Might and Magic games.
Though I'm sort of suspecting now it's not really open world and it'll be mission based like New Snap.

Has it been confirmed if you ride your own Pokémon or if it is a Sun/Moon-esque ride system?

Seeing that they want you mass-capturing some species I wonder if we'll have something similar to Let's Go's ability to send them to Oak?

 

[Bolt Strike]

I think we are yet to see how restricted it is. Obsidian Fieldlands could just the tutorial area much like the Great Plateau, then maybe the game lets you choose which area to do next.

That's probably NOT how it will go down, but we're not sure yet. haha

I hope you're right. I do think it's okay to have a Great Plateau-esque tutorial area for casuals, having a great big open world from the start can get pretty overwhelming. After that though, they really should open it up.

 

[Poke Dragon]

They need an easy way to keep track of which areas are complete Pokedex-wise so the player wouldn't have to take hours upon hours just to get to just a standard Pokemon that seems to be missing from the list. I already dealt with that annoying aspect in Breath of the Wild regarding Korok Seeds (though, I will keep bragging that I managed to do it before the Majora Mask was included).

 

[Bolt Strike]

They need an easy way to keep track of which areas are complete Pokedex-wise so the player wouldn't have to take hours upon hours just to get to just a standard Pokemon that seems to be missing from the list. I already dealt with that annoying aspect in Breath of the Wild regarding Korok Seeds (though, I will keep bragging that I managed to do it before the Majora Mask was included).

They could always bring back the Habitat List in some way. Why is that not a standard feature anyway?

 

[Oriden]

Has it been confirmed if you ride your own Pokémon or if it is a Sun/Moon-esque ride system?

Not confirmed but considering the special saddles on Wyrdeer and Basculegion, I would bet on it being a Sun/Moon-esque ride system. Since we didn't get saddles in LGPE.

Would be such a shame, though. They really ought to add a riding configuration for all reasonably rideable pokemon to their model assets.

 

[Poke Dragon]

Instead of one or the other, just include both. This is the perfect middle-ground for HM replacement.

 

[Esserise]

Has it been confirmed if you ride your own Pokémon or if it is a Sun/Moon-esque ride system?

They haven’t said, but I suspect the latter. I could be entirely wrong about this, but the impression I got from the trailer was that these exploratory utility functions are tied specifically to Wyrdeer, Basculegion, and Braviary, which puts me more in the mind of Poké Ride.

If that isn’t the case, and you are instead using your own Pokémon, then it’s going to have the same problem that Let’s Go had, which is that players are required to have these specific Pokémon on their team in order to even access these vital forms of movement, which is frankly more restrictive than traditional HMs ever were. But even if the pool of candidates is wider, having to use your own Pokémon would still not be convenient to all players, because then you’ve just got traditional HMs in spirit (as in, only certain Pokémon can learn this HM move = be used to run, fly, surf, etc., so if you want to do any of that, you need a Pokémon with that capability).

 

[Mr. MoonStone]

Not generally, no. Most open world games tend to let you go anywhere from the start (or in BotW's case, close to the start). Segmenting the world the way Legends is doing does kind of hinder the open world feel of the game. I can personally live with it, but I can see some people saying it's not a "real" open world game by going about it this way. Open world games work best when the exploration is driven by the player's own curiosity, if someone want to go to Snowpoint or up Mt. Coronet straight from the start, let them.

Now that you mention it, that does seem like a fair point. It's probably personal bias, and should be in the controversial opinions thread, but I don't know if the franchise will ever go into that totally open-world concept that we see in other games. I have a feeling Game Freak still likes their structured tasks and linearity.

 

[Daren]

Yeah, I thought when I saw them in the trailer that they were SuMo style but I'd seen a post or two elsewhere with "finally riding your Pokémon" type comments and wasn't sure if I missed a confirmation somewhere.

 

[Oriden]

They haven’t said, but I suspect the latter. I could be entirely wrong about this, but the impression I got from the trailer was that these exploratory utility functions are tied specifically to Wyrdeer, Basculegion, and Braviary, which puts me more in the mind of Poké Ride.

If that isn’t the case, and you are instead using your own Pokémon, then it’s going to have the same problem that Let’s Go had, which is that players are required to have these specific Pokémon on their team in order to even access these vital forms of movement, which is frankly more restrictive than traditional HMs ever were. But even if the pool of candidates is wider, having to use your own Pokémon would still not be convenient to all players, because then you’ve just got traditional HMs in spirit (as in, only certain Pokémon can learn this HM move = be used to run, fly, surf, etc., so if you want to do any of that, you need a Pokémon with that capability).

A better system would be to be able to register any of your capable pokemon for certain means of travel, or else use a default PokeRide loaner 'mon, and just summon them as-needed much like a PokeRide. That wouldn't require you to have any of those pokemon on-hand for travel, while still allowing you to pick which ones you're gonna ride.

 

[Esserise]

On the open-world topic, someone correct me if I’m wrong… but I don’t think they’ve actually said anything about the game as being “open-world” in any of the press thus far. To my memory, it’s just been described as “infused with action-RPG elements.”

(It would be kind of funny in a twisted way if the entire notion of LA being open-world was just an assumption stirred up by the mild visual similarities to BOTW.)

 

[Mr. MoonStone]

On the open-world topic, someone correct me if I’m wrong… but I don’t think they’ve actually said anything about the game as being “open-world” in any of the press thus far. To my memory, it’s just been described as “infused with action-RPG elements.”

(It would be kind of funny in a twisted way if the entire notion of LA being open-world was just an assumption stirred up by the mild visual similarities to BOTW.)

TBH...I feel like the open-world descriptor was mostly curated by fans lol. I actually can't remember this game ever explicitly presented otherwise.

 

[TheElderKing]

I think the riding system in the game, is likely based on a version of Pokérides. I’d like to be wrong, but given how LA’s own concept works perfectly to develop a more open world-like game (or at least a game with much bigger areas then before), while not being as complex to work as a modern Gen map with much more (and sometimes bigger) cities and towns. I’d like if I’m wrong or if in the future they’d go for allowing you to ride your own Pokémon, if you have compatible ones in your team, but I’m not sure now feasible it is. Expecially considering that in a Gen 9 game there are going to be, most likely, much more Pokémon available then in LA.

For the open world/open areas system, I also think that it’d be more like the latter. While the in game map covering all the world except the initial area could work with the game opening up completely after the first one, the explanation of the trailer during the event specifically mentioned that you open up new areas with rank up in the survey team.

I do think that the reason behind his is most likely plot progression, as going in certain areas might lead to reaching later stages of the story, and possibly levelling. Either makes me unsure that even in a traditional Pokémon game we’d the get the map fully explorable from the start, without some blocking on higher leveled areas and gym.

I’d personally love if the gyms would be challengeable up to us, but it’d require to work on different teams and levelling depending on how many badges you have when you fight them, and they don’t seem keen to add additional features like that (or toggle to limit the number of Pokémon allowed in a gym tight to the same of the gym leader…or as in SwSh, toggles to not use the exp all system or the catching exp system).

And having areas with higher leveled Pokémon, too much for you to deal with, while not an effective block, would have the same result, at you wouldn’t be able to proceed until you level up your team. Which isn’t bad, per sec but I think they won’t open themselves up to the criticism of making the game ‘too hard for kids’.

I do hope that they’d use the experience with LA as a base point and work towards a better/true open world system for later games, but that would also require them, in my opinion, to take a break in 2023 and release the game on 2024, since those issues need time to be thought through and be developed properly (alongside better animations, graphics, etc.), and I don’t think they’ll do that.

 

[RC821]

I am very surprised that Game Freak managed to improve the animations

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